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[Plaintiff]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...
Except for the fact that they have a completely different style of fighting than warriors.

That doesn't make it any less arbitrary. The term "rogue" in the actual English language has nothing to do with fighting style.

'Warrior' and 'rogue' are not mutually exclusive terms except in terms of RPG mechanics. The actual characters within the game do not recognise the distinction at all, ever.

Okay, let's petition Bioware to rename rogues "The flippity invisible guys." Is that less arbitrary?

No.

I never said the naming needed to be less arbitrary. I don't care. I just acknowledge the fact that it is arbitrary. You're the one choosing to fight me on it for reasons that I don't understand.

[Mr.House]

Ryzaki wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...
Except for the fact that they have a completely different style of fighting than warriors.

That doesn't make it any less arbitrary. The term "rogue" in the actual English language has nothing to do with fighting style.

'Warrior' and 'rogue' are not mutually exclusive terms except in terms of RPG mechanics. The actual characters within the game do not recognise the distinction at all, ever.

Have you played MotA or the HN origin? It certainly doesn't sound like it.


Also, to quote, 
Isabela:" I would never... well, yes. I would. But there's only room for one backstabbing rogue in this party, elf."
"She likes rogues. Rivaini rogues especially."

I think in game characters might know just a little more about themselves than you. 

"Rogue" means "dishonest person". Isabela is acknowledging her own dishonesty, nothing else. You read deeper meaning into it because you have access to metagame information that she does not.

Just stop talking. You clearly haven't looked up either dialogues and really need to just stop talking. Especially considering the Human Noble Origin. 

What does she say in the HN origin? I know there's a difference (the rogue mentions knives and thieving while the warrior mentions swords or what not) but it's been a while since I played that origin. Last one I did was mage.

A rogue Cousland never fought in a tourney with that guy and Howe does not mention his daughters love for the Couslands powereess as a warrior. Small lines? Yes, but it proves Plsantiff is wrong here.

[Plaintiff]

Mr.House wrote...
A rogue Cousland never fought in a tourney with that guy and Howe does not mention his daughters love for the Couslands powereess as a warrior. Small lines? Yes, but it proves Plsantiff is wrong here. 

Assuming things about my character based on their class is not the same thing as actually acknowledging their class.

[Ryzaki]

Mr.House wrote...

A rogue Cousland never fought in a tourney with that guy and Howe does not mention his daughters love for the Couslands powereess as a warrior. Small lines? Yes, but it proves Plsantiff is wrong here.

OOOOOH now I remember I can't believe I forgot that.

Howe's nasty "And you trained her as a warrior how unique." was one of the reasons I enjoyed gutting him so much as a femWarrior Cousland.

I mostly recalled the difference in the "let's fight with swords!" convo with Owen. XD

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 septembre 2013 - 01:40 .

[Br3admax]

He also talks about his "interesting traits," that he shared with his father. Rogues and Warriors are separated by more than just skills. Completely different in most attributes, skills, and strengths. Otherwise, we could all be bards, duelists, and assassins and no one would be none the wiser or comment on it.

[Steelcan]

Plaintiff wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...
Except for the fact that they have a completely different style of fighting than warriors.

That doesn't make it any less arbitrary. The term "rogue" in the actual English language has nothing to do with fighting style.

'Warrior' and 'rogue' are not mutually exclusive terms except in terms of RPG mechanics. The actual characters within the game do not recognise the distinction at all, ever.

Okay, let's petition Bioware to rename rogues "The flippity invisible guys." Is that less arbitrary?

No.

I never said the naming needed to be less arbitrary. I don't care. I just acknowledge the fact that it is arbitrary. You're the one choosing to fight me on it for reasons that I don't understand.

[Ryzaki]

...I'm gonna watch Korra this weekend because I wanna know who that dude is you guys keep posting. I hate when I'm missing out on the meme D:

[Mr.House]

Plaintiff wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
A rogue Cousland never fought in a tourney with that guy and Howe does not mention his daughters love for the Couslands powereess as a warrior. Small lines? Yes, but it proves Plsantiff is wrong here. 

Assuming things about my character based on their class is not the same thing as actually acknowledging their class.

Are you... Are oyu kidding me? IT DOES ACKOWLEDGE YOUR CLASS, even your nepthew does where he only ask about poisens if your a rogue, he talks about swords if warrior.

Keep digging that hole.

[Steelcan]

Ryzaki wrote...

...I'm gonna watch Korra this weekend because I wanna know who that dude is you guys keep posting. I hate when I'm missing out on the meme D:

He is the villain, and is determined to equalize society between benders and non-benders

[Plaintiff]

Br3ad wrote...
He also talks about his "interesting traits," that he shared with his father. Rogues and Warriors are separated by more than just skills. Completely different in most attributes, skills, and strengths.

The allotment of skills and attributes is a mechanical abstraction, not an accurate representation of what is actually occuring in the game world. These processes and statistics are invisible to the characters.

Otherwise, we could all be bards, duelists, and assassins and no one would be none the wiser or comment on it.

Yes, you could be, and there's no reason why you shouldn't be, except that the mechanics arbitrarily prevent it.

[AresKeith]

Plaintiff wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
A rogue Cousland never fought in a tourney with that guy and Howe does not mention his daughters love for the Couslands powereess as a warrior. Small lines? Yes, but it proves Plsantiff is wrong here. 

Assuming things about my character based on their class is not the same thing as actually acknowledging their class.

Just staph, please 

[Steelcan]

Plaintiff wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
He also talks about his "interesting traits," that he shared with his father. Rogues and Warriors are separated by more than just skills. Completely different in most attributes, skills, and strengths.

The allotment of skills and attributes is a mechanical abstraction, not an accurate representation of what is actually occuring in the game world. These processes and statistics are invisible to the characters.

Otherwise, we could all be bards, duelists, and assassins and no one would be none the wiser or comment on it.

Yes, you could be, and there's no reason why you shouldn't be, except that the mechanics arbitrarily prevent it.

[AresKeith]

Plaintiff wrote...

Yes, you could be, and there's no reason why you shouldn't be, except that the mechanics arbitrarily prevent it.

Except the fact that said PC isn't a rogue

Your talks of equality in weapon skills are literally ridiculous 

Modifié par AresKeith, 27 septembre 2013 - 01:45 .

[Mr.House]

AresKeith wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Yes, you could be, and there's no reason why you shouldn't be, except that the mechanics arbitrarily prevent it.

Except the fact that said PC isn't a rogue

Isabela, Leliana and Zev also bring this up in dialog.  Vise vera for rogues with Alistair and Oggy.

[Br3admax]

Plaintiff wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
He also talks about his "interesting traits," that he shared with his father. Rogues and Warriors are separated by more than just skills. Completely different in most attributes, skills, and strengths.

The allotment of skills and attributes is a mechanical abstraction, not an accurate representation of what is actually occuring in the game world. These processes and statistics are invisible to the characters.

Otherwise, we could all be bards, duelists, and assassins and no one would be none the wiser or comment on it.

Yes, you could be, and there's no reason why you shouldn't be, except that the mechanics arbitrarily prevent it.

Except you wouldn't know how to do these things. I certainly don't want the guy making my McGriddle to be my physician because he is able to be. 

[Ryzaki]

Steelcan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...I'm gonna watch Korra this weekend because I wanna know who that dude is you guys keep posting. I hate when I'm missing out on the meme D:

He is the villain, and is determined to equalize society between benders and non-benders

Aaaah.

Now the equality puns are so much clearer.

[Plaintiff]

The Mad Hanar wrote...
Simply because I'm confused about what you are aguing about. Is it that warriors and rogues are the same? Because that's not true.

Within the context of the setting, yes. There is no indication that being a 'rogue' or being a 'warrior' are mutually exclusive things. The two have nothng to do with each other, and one could easily be both.

Wielding a two-handed sword has no relevance to being a pickpocket, and there's no logical reason why a person should be unable to develop both skills.

Is it because rogue isn't a fitting name for the class? Because that's not true.

No, that's not the argument. What the class is actually called is irrelevent. 'Rogue' is exactly as arbitrary a title as 'Thief' or 'Scoundrel' or anything else. They're all just names for a vague character archetype.

[Steelcan]

Plaintiff wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...
Simply because I'm confused about what you are aguing about. Is it that warriors and rogues are the same? Because that's not true.

Within the context of the setting, yes. There is no indication that being a 'rogue' or being a 'warrior' are mutually exclusive things. The two have nothng to do with each other, and one could easily be both.

Wielding a two-handed sword has no relevance to being a pickpocket, and there's no logical reason why a person should be unable to develop both skills.

Is it because rogue isn't a fitting name for the class? Because that's not true.

No, that's not the argument. What the class is actually called is irrelevent. 'Rogue' is exactly as arbitrary a title as 'Thief' or 'Scoundrel' or anything else. They're all just names for a vague character archetype.

[Plaintiff]

Br3ad wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
He also talks about his "interesting traits," that he shared with his father. Rogues and Warriors are separated by more than just skills. Completely different in most attributes, skills, and strengths.

The allotment of skills and attributes is a mechanical abstraction, not an accurate representation of what is actually occuring in the game world. These processes and statistics are invisible to the characters.

Otherwise, we could all be bards, duelists, and assassins and no one would be none the wiser or comment on it.

Yes, you could be, and there's no reason why you shouldn't be, except that the mechanics arbitrarily prevent it.

Except you wouldn't know how to do these things. I certainly don't want the guy making my McGriddle to be my physician because he is able to be.

How does being a fry cook in any way prevent him from also beng a fully-qualified physician?

What is your beef with people who work two jobs?

[Br3admax]

Plaintiff wrote...
No, that's not the argument. What the class is actually called is irrelevent. 

Contrary to your earlier argument where you said it could only mean one thing based on the English language. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 27 septembre 2013 - 01:51 .

[Br3admax]

Plaintiff wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
He also talks about his "interesting traits," that he shared with his father. Rogues and Warriors are separated by more than just skills. Completely different in most attributes, skills, and strengths.

The allotment of skills and attributes is a mechanical abstraction, not an accurate representation of what is actually occuring in the game world. These processes and statistics are invisible to the characters.

Otherwise, we could all be bards, duelists, and assassins and no one would be none the wiser or comment on it.

Yes, you could be, and there's no reason why you shouldn't be, except that the mechanics arbitrarily prevent it.

Except you wouldn't know how to do these things. I certainly don't want the guy making my McGriddle to be my physician because he is able to be.

How does being a fry cook in any way prevent him from also beng a fully-qualified physician?

What is your beef with people who work two jobs?

Nothing. Perform open heart surgerory on me, fry cook. 

[Steelcan]

Plaintiff wrote...

How does being a fry cook in any way prevent him from also beng a fully-qualified physician?

What is your beef with people who work two jobs?

Ok I'm gonna take a break from spamming for a sec to address this stupidity.

Do you think someone who is fully qualified to be a surgeon is going to be flipping burgers?

And if you do, I advise you undergo a psychiatric examination.

[Plaintiff]

AresKeith wrote...
Except the fact that said PC isn't a rogue/

Metagame class distinction. Completely arbitrary. No bearing on the actual logic of the setting.

Your talks of equality in weapon skills are literally ridiculous

Explain why. Form a cogent argument for once in your life.