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[JonathonPR]

csm4267 wrote...


EA doesn't tell Bioware what to do.

Actualy most finance contracts contain clauses that allow them to do just that. Investors have the right to tell the user what they can do with the money they are given at almost any point in the process. They still have to pay for work done but if they want to change what is done with the remaining money or the finnished product they can. The Titanic did not have the designed section caps that would have stoped or slowed sinking because White Star Lines company was low on funds and decided to cut that content from the design part way through construction. On the upside much more stringent saftey regulations were enacted for ships.<_<

[Mathias]

csm4267 wrote...

The point of the Priority Earth mission provided a sense of hopelessness against an overwhelming enemy force. You can kind of hear on the radio that your war assets that you recruited were wiped out. Around 90-100% of them. What you saw during this level was what was left of the resistence. Reapers just steamrolled you.

Btw that's some pretty shoddy storytelling right there. The timeframe of Priority Mission Earth seemed to imply that battle went on for 1-2 hours. I'm sorry, I don't care how powerful the Reapers are, there's no way they could wipe out your forces THAT quickly. That was one thing I hated about that final mission is when you're going over your battle plan and they're talking about how forces are already down 35-50%.  A united galactic fighting force getting nearly wiped out in an hour?

There were many things about that mission that I hated but one of the big ones was how far the writers went to emphasize how hopeless it was. First off the game never implied that the entire Reaper force was at the battle, most seemed to be spread across the galaxy harvesting civilizations. Secondly a galaxy united should've been able to do some considerable damage during the battle for Earth regardless of how strong the Reapers are. The level of power of the Reapers throughout the game felt very inconsistant. There are instances where Reapers are attacking a much lesser impressive force, and they somehow are able to not just slow the Reapers down, but also destroy some of them. And then you have instances where Reapers are attacking a much more impressive force, and the organics get completely dominated without even putting in a dent.

Modifié par BioWareMod01, 27 septembre 2013 - 11:51 .

[AlanC9]

StreetMagic wrote...
Wait.. what? I'll take any news of this that I can. Where are these audio files?

I wonder if that particular scene with the students is just an optional one, or just one she says all the time?

What the hell did they really have in mind? Damnit!

You could start here.

The odd thing is that there are only files for some of the ME2 characters. Either the rest weren't found, some charactrs didn't make it to the endgame because reasons, or Bio cut this stuff before finishing primary VA recording.

It's hardly unusual for Bio to cut stuff, of course. KotOR lost a whole planet.

[KaiserShep]

AlanC9 wrote...

It's hardly unusual for Bio to cut stuff, of course. KotOR lost a whole planet.

Ack, isn't that the same plot as Attack of the Clones? 

[Iakus]

StreetMagic wrote...

Headcount wrote...

Every about the ending from the moment they landed on Earth screams, "We ran out of time." I remember hearing an unused audio file of Jack saying good bye to her students before a final battle. The entire retake Earth mission was supposed to be epic with Shepard running from one fight to the next to help his/her allies. However, BW didn't have the time and EA refused to give another extension. There is nothing amazing or deep about the endings, it’s just something thrown together at the last moment and BW hoped no one would notice.

Wait.. what? I'll take any news of this that I can. Where are these audio files?

I wonder if that particular scene with the students is just an optional one, or just one she says all the time?

What the hell did they really have in mind? Damnit!

Shepard encounters geth/quarian forces on Earth



Grunt fighting on Earth:



Jack and students on Earth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_AK6vz4_bM

Zaeed fighting on Earth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPJ_QsIVOD0

Jacob fighting on Earth (or maybe delivering a baby )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umEDng9bSOE

Looks like at one point Joker was, infact supposed to be able to save Shepard and Anderson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfmdjg-BfMY

Modifié par iakus, 27 septembre 2013 - 05:03 .

[AlanC9]

Hmm... that's a couple more than were on the list I saw. Still no Miranda?

[YourFleshIsMine]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

csm4267 wrote...

The point of the Priority Earth mission provided a sense of hopelessness against an overwhelming enemy force. You can kind of hear on the radio that your war assets that you recruited were wiped out. Around 90-100% of them. What you saw during this level was what was left of the resistence. Reapers just steamrolled you.

Btw that's some pretty shoddy storytelling right there. The timeframe of Priority Mission Earth seemed to imply that battle went on for 1-2 hours. I'm sorry, I don't care how powerful the Reapers are, there's no way they could wipe out your forces THAT quickly. That was one thing I hated about that final mission is when you're going over your battle plan and they're talking about how forces are already down 35-50%. A united galactic fighting force getting nearly wiped out in an hour?

There were many things about that mission that I hated but one of the big ones was how far the writers went to emphasize how hopeless it was. First off the game never implied that the entire Reaper force was at the battle, most seemed to be spread across the galaxy harvesting civilizations. Secondly a galaxy united should've been able to do some considerable damage during the battle for Earth regardless of how strong the Reapers are. The level of power of the Reapers throughout the game felt very inconsistant. There are instances where Reapers are attacking a much lesser impressive force, and they somehow are able to not just slow the Reapers down, but also destroy some of them. And then you have instances where Reapers are attacking a much more impressive force, and the organics get completely dominated without even putting in a dent.

As far as I remember it was the Hammer group that got wiped for over 50% which was the part of the forces that had to land on Earth, not the whole fleet in space.

Also note that for example the Reaper you destroy on Rannoch was a Reaper Destroyer just like the one on Tuchanka. They are not nearly as big and strong as the ones flying through space. When the attack to retake Earth starts you also see some Reapers taking damage from the fleets.

Perhaps you misinterpreted a few things?

Modifié par BioWareMod01, 27 septembre 2013 - 11:52 .

[JamesFaith]

YourFleshIsMine wrote...

As far as I remember it was the Hammer group that got wiped for over 50% which was the part of the forces that had to land on Earth, not the whole fleet in space.

You are right, losses in percentages were mentioned only in connection with Hammer and its units.

No specific info about fleets.

Modifié par JamesFaith, 27 septembre 2013 - 06:02 .

[Mathias]

YourFleshIsMine wrote...

As far as I remember it was the Hammer group that got wiped for over 50% which was the part of the forces that had to land on Earth, not the whole fleet in space.

Hammer force consisted of ground troops from many different races. While the game never gave us a specific number, it's safe to say there were probably thousands of them. The battle also took place in London where there's plenty of buildings and objects to take cover in. It made no sense for Hammer to be wipe out so quickly.

Also note that for example the Reaper you destroy on Rannoch was a Reaper Destroyer just like the one on Tuchanka. They are not nearly as big and strong as the ones flying through space. When the attack to retake Earth starts you also see some Reapers taking damage from the fleets.

Perhaps you misinterpreted a few things?

That wasn't actually what I was referring to. There were a number of codex entries on the Reaper War that basically told of certain battles going on throughout the galaxy, and how in some of them the Organics managed to take down a pretty good amount of Reapers, which includes Capital ship sized.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 27 septembre 2013 - 07:10 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

bad ritan iz teh only explanashun

[AlexMBrennan]

I'm sorry, I don't care how powerful the Reapers are, there's no way they could wipe out your forces THAT quickly.

Our dreadnoughts have the firepower equivalent to one nuke every 5s, and there are hundreds of Reaper ships that can safely be assumed to be much more advanced.

But since there'd be no way for our infantryman protagonist to be a hero if the Reapers actually used their guns they politely stuck to using their tiny lasers.

And yes, Elder Space Gods going full retard and not using their guns to allow us to win is bad writing. Sorry.

The battle also took place in London where there's plenty of buildings and objects to take cover in. It made no sense for Hammer to be wipe out so quickly.

You should be advising the US military - imagine how much money they could have saved on Cheyenne Mountain if you had shared your knowledge that a bit of rubble is just as good.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 27 septembre 2013 - 08:25 .

[YourFleshIsMine]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

YourFleshIsMine wrote...

As far as I remember it was the Hammer group that got wiped for over 50% which was the part of the forces that had to land on Earth, not the whole fleet in space.

Hammer force consisted of ground troops from many different races. While the game never gave us a specific number, it's safe to say there were probably thousands of them. The battle also took place in London where there's plenty of buildings and objects to take cover in. It made no sense for Hammer to be wipe out so quickly.

Also note that for example the Reaper you destroy on Rannoch was a Reaper Destroyer just like the one on Tuchanka. They are not nearly as big and strong as the ones flying through space. When the attack to retake Earth starts you also see some Reapers taking damage from the fleets.

Perhaps you misinterpreted a few things?

That wasn't actually what I was referring to. There were a number of codex entries on the Reaper War that basically told of certain battles going on throughout the galaxy, and how in some of them the Organics managed to take down a pretty good amount of Reapers, which includes Capital ship sized.

Listen if you WANT it to be that way then fine but I am just saying what I remember. Hammer mostly never made it to the ground. That's the point. There's a comment at one point about the FOB and that not even half of Hammer had made it. That's where I get my number from.

As far as those other things you are referring to, I have no idea. I haven't read those codex entries, but forgive me if I allow for the possibility that you misinterpreted those as well.

[General TSAR]

Writers goof'd, that's all there is to it.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

This one found one thing quite funny. The codex says that it takes four dreadnoughts to take out a reaper. According to Joker in ME1 the main gun of the Destiny Ascension is more powerful than the entire Asari fleet combined. The Asari have 20 dreadnoughts. This implies that the Destiny Ascension could take out a Sovereign class reaper with a single shot. This one thinks it was video game logic that the Destiny Ascension did not fire at all so that Commander Shepard and the Normandy could rush in and save the day in ME1.

This one knows that in 2186 that the Destiny Ascension had its gun and armor upgraded. This one also thinks that this is why the Reapers were getting a left tentacle slapped repeatedly on their hind quarters when they were fighting the Asari in space battles and decided to land directly on the planets after a while instead of engaging the fleets.

This one also thinks that the Destiny Ascension would be taking out one Reaper every 5 to 10 seconds over Earth. As long as she was protected, this one thinks the Reapers should have been getting their hind quarters handed to them. Perhaps this is the real reason those Sovereign class reapers left the battle and headed to Earth? -- the one true Blasto fan

[Iakus]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...


This one knows that in 2186 that the Destiny Ascension had its gun and armor upgraded. This one also thinks that this is why the Reapers were getting a left tentacle slapped repeatedly on their hind quarters when they were fighting the Asari in space battles and decided to land directly on the planets after a while instead of engaging the fleets.

Also rather funny is, according to the codex, the Reapers are even more vulnerable on the ground, since their kinetic barriers are further weakened due to having to divert power to the mass effect fields preventing them from being crushed by their own weight in a gravity well.

[Azaron Nightblade]

iakus wrote...

Looks like at one point Joker was, infact supposed to be able to save Shepard and Anderson:

What a shame they threw that idea out. 

[Iakus]

Thus I say, don't hate on modders for finishing what Bioware couldn't

[Mathias]

YourFleshIsMine wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

YourFleshIsMine wrote...

As far as I remember it was the Hammer group that got wiped for over 50% which was the part of the forces that had to land on Earth, not the whole fleet in space.

Hammer force consisted of ground troops from many different races. While the game never gave us a specific number, it's safe to say there were probably thousands of them. The battle also took place in London where there's plenty of buildings and objects to take cover in. It made no sense for Hammer to be wipe out so quickly.

Also note that for example the Reaper you destroy on Rannoch was a Reaper Destroyer just like the one on Tuchanka. They are not nearly as big and strong as the ones flying through space. When the attack to retake Earth starts you also see some Reapers taking damage from the fleets.

Perhaps you misinterpreted a few things?

That wasn't actually what I was referring to. There were a number of codex entries on the Reaper War that basically told of certain battles going on throughout the galaxy, and how in some of them the Organics managed to take down a pretty good amount of Reapers, which includes Capital ship sized.

Listen if you WANT it to be that way then fine but I am just saying what I remember. Hammer mostly never made it to the ground. That's the point. There's a comment at one point about the FOB and that not even half of Hammer had made it. That's where I get my number from.

As far as those other things you are referring to, I have no idea. I haven't read those codex entries, but forgive me if I allow for the possibility that you misinterpreted those as well.

I understand that Hammer and Sword getting pwned so quickly is what happened in the game, I'm not arguing that. What I'm saying though is that it didn't make sense.

If you haven't read the codex entries I recommend them. They're a good read and they make you wonder a bit on whether or not all the writers were on the same page about the level of power of the Reapers. 

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 27 septembre 2013 - 11:19 .

[Deverz]

iakus wrote...


Shepard encounters geth/quarian forces on Earth



Grunt fighting on Earth:



Jack and students on Earth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_AK6vz4_bM

Zaeed fighting on Earth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPJ_QsIVOD0

Jacob fighting on Earth (or maybe delivering a baby )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umEDng9bSOE

Looks like at one point Joker was, infact supposed to be able to save Shepard and Anderson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfmdjg-BfMY

. I've never heard of these! And they were supposed to commence during Priority: Earth? Oh, what could've been... 

Modifié par BioWareMod01, 27 septembre 2013 - 11:49 .

[Wynterdust]

Isn't the last one with Joker just him providing cover fire on the beam run from the original ending script? Nothing to do with a rescue from the citadel.

[Reorte]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

This one also thinks that the Destiny Ascension would be taking out one Reaper every 5 to 10 seconds over Earth. As long as she was protected, this one thinks the Reapers should have been getting their hind quarters handed to them. Perhaps this is the real reason those Sovereign class reapers left the battle and headed to Earth? -- the one true Blasto fan

That rather assumes that the Reapers aren't firing back. What does it say about Reaper firepower?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Reorte wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

This one also thinks that the Destiny Ascension would be taking out one Reaper every 5 to 10 seconds over Earth. As long as she was protected, this one thinks the Reapers should have been getting their hind quarters handed to them. Perhaps this is the real reason those Sovereign class reapers left the battle and headed to Earth? -- the one true Blasto fan

That rather assumes that the Reapers aren't firing back. What does it say about Reaper firepower?

This one believes that you are cheating and thinking that this one would leave its greatest asset exposed to reaper fire. This one believes that Matriarch Lidanya is too smart to do that. 

Reaper firepower was awesome. However, this one thinks that if the DA was held in the back ranks of the battle line the Reapers would have to fight their way through the other fleets and would be getting torn apart. In one hour at an 80% kill rate the DA would kill 576 Reaper vessels. At a less than optimal 50% kill rate the DA would kill 360 per hour.

This one has also calculated that at the 50% kill rate the DA would have wiped the galaxy clean of Reapers in 56 hours. However 20,000 locations would have had a bad day in several hundred thousand years. This one believes the solution to the reaper problem would have been to build fleets of Ascension Class ships.

A Blasto Fan

[AlexMBrennan]

Reaper firepower was awesome. However, this one thinks that if the DA was held in the back ranks of the battle line the Reapers would have to fight their way through the other fleets and would be getting torn apart. In one hour at an 80% kill rate the DA would kill 576 Reaper vessels. At a less than optimal 50% kill rate the DA would kill 360 per hour.

Yes, space is an ocean after all - sure, age of sail ship-of-the-line battles are picturesque but unfortunately space don't work that way: If the DA can shoot at Reapers then all Reapers can shoot at the DA, and I seriously doubt that the DA (or any other vessel like, say, the Crucible) could stand up to that for more than 0.3 milliseconds