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[Torrius]

The origins of the elves... are they considered to be different cultures within the elven race, or is the difference between City Elves and the Dalish simply a matter of thier current circumstances? City Elves are in the city, Dalish are not... is that the only difference?

I was thinking about my Elven Mage I created, and whether he was originally a City or Dalish elf. Or is it that the Elven mages join the Circle at such a young age that they cut all ties with thier kinsmen and owe thier loyalty to other mages as if mages were a race unto themselves?

[Arttis]

i doubt they will say<br />
i think its like this<br />
they take you when you were so young you cant remember who took you or where you came from<br />
the circle and the templars have been your life while you grew up<br />
templars as the watchmen<br />
and circle as your teachers<br />
soon you will join the greywardens<br />
and there your real life begins
or maybe after you go to a city or dalish camp someone will recognise you then you will know

Modifié par Arttis, 14 octobre 2009 - 09:56 .

[Servant of Nature]

They are city elves. Dalish elf mages are either Keepers or apprentices. You can roleplay whatever you want I guess, but it is assumed you are from the city.

[Viz79]

I think its City - its unlikely they would have grabbed you if you were a Dalish elf. After all, the Dalish Elf choose to live away from the humans and retain their culture and constantly keep moving... not sure it their magic users could be nabbed very easily at all.

[Ch40sH4wk]

I think mages of any race wouldn't be quite accepted by Dalish or City Elves in the first place. Perhaps you could of been one or the other before your character became a mage. Like mentioned already probably taken in when young.

[Sshodan]

City. Dalish have their own casters, so I assume they keep away from the circle somehow. But it doesn't matter much, a magically gifted child is taken away to early to develop any kind of actual sense of belonging to the culture, don't know how early, but I think something a little older than an infant.

Modifié par Sshodan, 14 octobre 2009 - 10:01 .

[AClockworkMelon]

The elven mage that you'll be able to play as an origin is invariably a city elf. The Circle plucks people with magical affinity out of the cities. It's controlled by the Chantry. The Dalish elves aren't controlled by the Chantry and thus wouldn't be taken away by them as children.

[Arttis]

maybe as you were hunting a elven mage

you came upon a dalish camp she was hiding in

there he murdered her

and took the child while fleeing the dalish archers

as the other men die

[Torrius]

I think I understand... since the elven mage origin starts with the Circle, they must invariably be City Elves as Dalish spellcasters use a type of magic not sanctioned by Chantry? It's not that Dalish can't use magic... but rather the limitation for our created characters is that every mage origin begins with the Circle. Am I understanding it correctly?

[Red Viking]

The lore does mention that the Chantry pretty much assumes that *anyone* living within its reach falls under its jurisdiction regardless of individual belief, so there's a possibility that the elven mage is Dalish in origin. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if the game is purposely vague or gives us the option to specify this in dialogue.

[Servant of Nature]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Templars would just kill the children as well. Dalish Elves are heathens who worship non-existant gods instead of The Maker. I think they may believe they practice human sacrifice as well.

[Sshodan]

Exactly. They sad that if they made a Dalish spell caster as an origin it would require a whole second magic system.

[Servant of Nature]

Torrius wrote...

I think I understand... since the elven mage origin starts with the Circle, they must invariably be City Elves as Dalish spellcasters use a type of magic not sanctioned by Chantry? It's not that Dalish can't use magic... but rather the limitation for our created characters is that every mage origin begins with the Circle. Am I understanding it correctly?

Dalish elves use the Fade like any other spellcaster, but their way, they can control nature, somewhat.  They are apostates, and are indeed hunted by the Templars.  Since your character starts in the Circle, you would be a city elf.

[Torrius]

Not to go to far off-topic, but is there any racial difference between City and Dalish Elves? Or to put it another way, if someone found a Dalish baby at birth and it was raised in the City, would it be a City Elf?

[Servant of Nature]

Torrius wrote...

Not to go to far off-topic, but is there any racial difference between City and Dalish Elves? Or to put it another way, if someone found a Dalish baby at birth and it was raised in the City, would it be a City Elf?

They are the same race, yes.  Just different lifestyle and beliefs.  Most City Elves don't believe the Dalish exist at all, and Dalish view the City Elves as lost kin that have forgotten what they used to be.

[Marik333]

The devs have stated that the elf mage is from the city... and yes, sometimes mages DO remember where they were before they were taken by the templars (read "The Calling"; extreme circumstances aside, it does at least show that not all mage apprentices are taken while in diapers).

My elf mage, though, is going to be quite interested in the folk beliefs of the Dalish, if the option presents itself. At least their gods have cool names.

Modifié par Marik333, 14 octobre 2009 - 10:15 .

[DalishRanger]

Considering the Dalish shun human religion and culture, I highly doubt the elven mage could be anything but from the city. Nothing's stopping you from pretending you were Dalish if you wanted to, though.



(Unrelated note, but I keep forgetting to say: Love your sig, Servant of Nature! I take it you're another Jaheira fan? I don't see too many of those, unfortunately).

[Servant of Nature]

DalishRanger wrote...

(Unrelated note, but I keep forgetting to say: Love your sig, Servant of Nature! I take it you're another Jaheira fan? I don't see too many of those, unfortunately).

Jaheira was my idol growing up.  Serious.  She's why I love druids. 

[LdyShayna]

Marik333 wrote...

The devs have stated that the elf mage is from the city... and yes, sometimes mages DO remember where they were before they were taken by the templars (read "The Calling"; extreme circumstances aside, it does at least show that not all mage apprentices are taken while in diapers).

My elf mage, though, is going to be quite interested in the folk beliefs of the Dalish, if the option presents itself. At least their gods have cool names.

Sometimes they do remember, but I believe the game assumes that the PC elf was taken into the Circle when he was extraordinarily young.

[Red Viking]

Servant of Nature wrote...

Torrius wrote...

Not to go to far off-topic, but is there any racial difference between City and Dalish Elves? Or to put it another way, if someone found a Dalish baby at birth and it was raised in the City, would it be a City Elf?

They are the same race, yes.  Just different lifestyle and beliefs.  Most City Elves don't believe the Dalish exist at all, and Dalish view the City Elves as lost kin that have forgotten what they used to be.

Plus, City Elves who know that the Dalish exist don't join them because joining the Dalish is seen akin to someone running off to join the Circus.

That said, I heard one of the characters you meet in the Dalish origin is a City Elf who did just that.  I'm really curious as to how that exchange will go.

[Arttis]

Sshodan wrote...

Exactly. They sad that if they made a Dalish spell caster as an origin it would require a whole second magic system.

i think you would just start out with different magic
not a whole enw magic system
because mages dont learn  how to do flaming weapons at the circle they do so as they grow in power
so dalish would just get different starting magic and maybe have
 a part where they enter the fade alone
maybe elder gramy has a little lyrium stashed somewhere

[Sshodan]

I don't have a link to the exact quote (sorry, to lazy to dig it up) but that was the reason that the developers gave for not making a Dalish caster origin. Not my words.

Personally I would be happy with a user made mode to allow dalish origin to be spellcasers, my be not entirely lore accurate, but I can pretend I don't notice the difference

[EmperorOfTheBlack]

Face it. Dalish are NOT mages in DA:O. PERIOD. In the story canon they are but NOT Circle Mages. They basically kill any human to enter their territory with a few exceptions, i.e. that scene in The Stolen Throne and trading partners. They would most certainly kill any of the Chantry before the Chantry saw the Elves.

EDIT: Sorry if that came off kinda harsh

Modifié par EmperorOfTheBlack, 14 octobre 2009 - 10:40 .

[Arttis]

aww come on

the chantry could take them out if they really put in the resources

but i think they are happy with them staying away hiding in the forest

[EmperorOfTheBlack]

Lol THIS MEANS WAR! Chantry vs Dalish!



Nah not really haha but yea the Chantry stays out of Dalish territory. I don't think they'd find it worth it