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[Vulpe]

     I’ve recently finished “The Calling” . I’ve noticed something interesting that might explain Vivienne’s origins. 

SPOILERS :

During their visit to the Circle of Magi in Fereldan, Duncan sneaks from the rest of the group and goes on the higher levels of the tower.After some walking in the shadows , he steals some keys from a tranquil without him noticing, finds the First Enchanter’s chamber and takes a strange dagger from a locked box. On his way back he meets a young female apprentice by the name of Vivian. At the end of the chapter it’s havely hinted that Duncan and the mage have a one night stand, wich made me believe that maybe Vivienne is  the mage’s daughter.

Arguments :

1) We know that the children of mages are given to the Chantry, so that would explain why Vivienne would end up in the Circle of Orlais. That also happened to Rhys.

2) Duncan is Rivaini in appearance ( his mother was from Rivain). From her appearance, Vivienne seems to be of Rivaini descent.

3) From what I’ve read, the book dosen’t mention the skin color of Vivian, so she might be also of Rivaini descent. Even if that's not the case , the Rivaini genes seem to be dominant – Duncan is half Fereldan half Rivaini,but he can easely pass as a full Rivaini

4) Vivienne fits the age. The events take place around 9:14 Dragon, so that would make Vivienne 30 years old (give or take ) by the time of Asunder.

5) A warden can have kids with an untainted person. The chances are slim, but they exist.Plus  Duncan's taint wasn't so advanced ( he was a warden for about 6 months ) , so maybe that increased the chances of conceiving a baby.

6) Do I have to mention the name similarity ? 

To me it sounds plausible, even though I must admit it seems a little far fetched. If any of you have finished the book and know something I don’t please don’t let me get lost in the hype and correct me. So what do you think ? Could Vivienne be the daughter that Duncan has never met ?

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 26 septembre 2013 - 07:16 .

[vortex216]

I like this theory. thumbs up

[Aolbain]

Sure, why not.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Hmm...that's actually an interesting thought.

[Spectre slayer]

Hmm that could be a possibility but there could be another option to explain her connection to him and what they were hinting at which is that she could be his younger silbling whose gender was unknown and I don't particularly remember what happened to that child after it was born because his parents died young and he would've been to young to take care of them both so he probably sent it somewhere.

It certainly could fit since she looks Rivanai and doesn't sound Orlieasen(depends on if they keep the voice actress or not further explained in a different post) so it could be possible that she's 1/2 Rivanai and 1/2 Ferelden like him and she could fit the possible age range for Vivienne but i'm not sure how likely it is so what does everyone else think about it.


Edit

His dream sequence on page 272 is what i'm referring to.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 26 septembre 2013 - 07:43 .

[Beerfish]

Very well done, well thought out post.

[Heimdall]

Could be. Then again I find it a little dubious that someone would name her daughter after herself, but it happens.

[azarhal]

Spectre slayer wrote...

and doesn't sound Orlieasen

I'll be careful with Vivienne not sounding Orlesian, her voice-actor was not confirmed. What we heard in the demo might have been a placeholder for the demo until they found a proper actress that can speak "Orlesian" (and that don't already have a role in DA).

[Spectre slayer]

azarhal wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

and doesn't sound Orlieasen

I'll be careful with Vivienne not sounding Orlesian, her voice-actor was not confirmed. What we heard in the demo might have been a placeholder for the demo until they found a proper actress that can speak "Orlesian" (and that don't already have a role in DA).

That's true and i'm taking that into account  but if she does have an Orlieasen accent in the game that doesn't necessarily mean that she is actually Orlieasen if her parents are indeed Ferelden and Rivanai who moved to Orliails (which is where she was born) but like a few other characters in the game like Rirordan who was a native Ferelden who moved to Orlais and picked up an accent from living there.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 26 septembre 2013 - 07:45 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

oh god da will turns into soap opera if thats true we already have fiona-alistair hawke-warden , and meeting old characters constantly.

[Vulpe]

Spectre slayer wrote...

Hmm that could be a possibility but there could be another option to explain her connection to him and what they were hinting at which is that she could be his younger silbling whose gender was unknown and I don't particularly remember what happened to that child after it was born because his parents died young and he would've been to young to take care of them both so he probably sent it somewhere.

It certainly could fit since she looks Rivanai and doesn't sound Orlieasen so it could be possible that she's 1/2 Rivanai and 1/2 Ferelden like him and she could fit the possible age range for Vivienne but i'm not sure how likely it is so what does everyone else think about it.

There's a chance that you could be right. His mother was pregnant in his Fade dream. That would mean a difference of ~18 years between him and Vivienne .But still, that was in his dream. I don't recall if that's his actual age or just the one he has in his Fade dream.He could just be imagining the life that he and his family could have had if things were different. Also, I don't remember any mentioning of how old he was when his parents died, the way they died or if there were any other children beside him and the baby to come. 

[Vulpe]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

oh god da will turns into soap opera if thats true we already have fiona-alistair hawke-warden , and meeting old characters constantly.

 Sandal - bastard son of Endrin Aeducan and an elf/human ; Morrigan - Daughter of Flemeth and Maric ; Dalish Warden - son/daughter of the Keeper that sends Maric and Loghain to Flemeth ; Morrigan's non-Old God Baby = The Force  .They're everywhere.

On the topic - I think that Duncan's little love story is a smart move from Mr. Gaider. It's left open so that , if he chooses to , he can use it to bring forth a descentant of Duncan or leave just as it seems : a simple ... recreatin with no real consequences.  Also , it's completly unrelated to the main plot of the book and it's scarcely mentioned in just 2 chapters which  makes it go unnoticed . Another perk is that it seems so trivial and unimportat  -  no one would expect it ( compared to the fact that Alistar might be Fiona's son )

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 26 septembre 2013 - 08:15 .

[maliluka]

JulianWellpit wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

oh god da will turns into soap opera if thats true we already have fiona-alistair hawke-warden , and meeting old characters constantly.

 Sandal - bastard son of Endrin Aeducan and an elf/human ; Morrigan - Daughter of Flemeth and Maric ; Dalish Warden - son/daughter of the Keeper that sends Maric and Loghain to Flemeth ; Morrigan's non-Old God Baby = The Force  .They're everywhere.

On the topic - I think that Duncan's little love story is a smart move from Mr. Gaider. It's left open so that , if he chooses to , he can use it to bring forth a descentant of Duncan or leave just as it seems : a simple ... recreatin with no real consequences.  Also , it's completly unrelated to the main plot of the book and it's scarcely mentioned in just 2 chapters which  makes it go unnoticed . Another perk is that it seems so trivial and unimportat  -  no one would expect it ( compared to the fact that Alistar might be Fiona's son )

As Thedas Turns

[JoHnDoE14]

maliluka wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

oh god da will turns into soap opera if thats true we already have fiona-alistair hawke-warden , and meeting old characters constantly.

 Sandal - bastard son of Endrin Aeducan and an elf/human ; Morrigan - Daughter of Flemeth and Maric ; Dalish Warden - son/daughter of the Keeper that sends Maric and Loghain to Flemeth ; Morrigan's non-Old God Baby = The Force  .They're everywhere.

On the topic - I think that Duncan's little love story is a smart move from Mr. Gaider. It's left open so that , if he chooses to , he can use it to bring forth a descentant of Duncan or leave just as it seems : a simple ... recreatin with no real consequences.  Also , it's completly unrelated to the main plot of the book and it's scarcely mentioned in just 2 chapters which  makes it go unnoticed . Another perk is that it seems so trivial and unimportat  -  no one would expect it ( compared to the fact that Alistar might be Fiona's son )

As Thedas Turns

Hey hey hey....I know almost all of these, but where did the Sandal and Mahariel one come from?? Would really like an answer!
On topic, yes the theory seems possible, if a little far fetched. But is possible for someone so young (30 years old) to be well on her way to become a grand enchanter...?

[Han Shot First]

JulianWellpit wrote...

 
2) Duncan is Rivaini in appearance ( his mother was from Rivain). From her appearance, Vivienne seems to be of Rivaini descent.

3) From what I’ve read, the book dosen’t mention the skin color of Vivian, so she might be also of Rivaini descent. Even if that's not the case , the Rivaini genes seem to be dominant – Duncan is half Fereldan half Rivaini,but he can easely pass as a full Rivaini

The mother would have to be a dark-skinned Rivaini, IMO. Duncan looks Caucasian, so it would be a little bizarre for him to have fathered a dark-skinned woman with African features with a Caucasian woman.

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

maliluka wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

oh god da will turns into soap opera if thats true we already have fiona-alistair hawke-warden , and meeting old characters constantly.

 Sandal - bastard son of Endrin Aeducan and an elf/human ; Morrigan - Daughter of Flemeth and Maric ; Dalish Warden - son/daughter of the Keeper that sends Maric and Loghain to Flemeth ; Morrigan's non-Old God Baby = The Force  .They're everywhere.

On the topic - I think that Duncan's little love story is a smart move from Mr. Gaider. It's left open so that , if he chooses to , he can use it to bring forth a descentant of Duncan or leave just as it seems : a simple ... recreatin with no real consequences.  Also , it's completly unrelated to the main plot of the book and it's scarcely mentioned in just 2 chapters which  makes it go unnoticed . Another perk is that it seems so trivial and unimportat  -  no one would expect it ( compared to the fact that Alistar might be Fiona's son )

As Thedas Turns

You should copyright that. 

[Magdalena11]

I can't see any reason lore-wise for this not to work. It would be interesting to see this kind of consequences.....Of course, Duncan seduced, if that's the right word, the mage at Lake Calenhad and the story is taking place in Orlais, but who knows where accidental babies wind up? Rhys wound up at the White Spire....

[Vulpe]

JoHnDoE14 wrote...

Hey hey hey....I know almost all of these, but where did the Sandal and Mahariel one come from?? Would really like an answer!
On topic, yes the theory seems possible, if a little far fetched. But is possible for someone so young (30 years old) to be well on her way to become a grand enchanter...?

Dalish Elf  and Sandal  

[JoHnDoE14]

JulianWellpit wrote...

JoHnDoE14 wrote...

Hey hey hey....I know almost all of these, but where did the Sandal and Mahariel one come from?? Would really like an answer!
On topic, yes the theory seems possible, if a little far fetched. But is possible for someone so young (30 years old) to be well on her way to become a grand enchanter...?

Dalish Elf  and Sandal  

Great, thanks!

[Vulpe]

Han Shot First wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

 
2) Duncan is Rivaini in appearance ( his mother was from Rivain). From her appearance, Vivienne seems to be of Rivaini descent.

3) From what I’ve read, the book dosen’t mention the skin color of Vivian, so she might be also of Rivaini descent. Even if that's not the case , the Rivaini genes seem to be dominant – Duncan is half Fereldan half Rivaini,but he can easely pass as a full Rivaini

The mother would have to be a dark-skinned Rivaini, IMO. Duncan looks Caucasian, so it would be a little bizarre for him to have fathered a dark-skinned woman with African features with a Caucasian woman.

I think that Duncan looks more caucasian because of the game engine.If he were to be recreated in the new DAI engine or if he made an appeareace in a comic he would'nt look the same.Also ,at least to me, the Rivaini people seem indian in appearance.That would explain the more caucasian looks of Duncan and the other Rivaini seen in the comics.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 26 septembre 2013 - 09:19 .

[Han Shot First]

JulianWellpit wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

 
2) Duncan is Rivaini in appearance ( his mother was from Rivain). From her appearance, Vivienne seems to be of Rivaini descent.

3) From what I’ve read, the book dosen’t mention the skin color of Vivian, so she might be also of Rivaini descent. Even if that's not the case , the Rivaini genes seem to be dominant – Duncan is half Fereldan half Rivaini,but he can easely pass as a full Rivaini

The mother would have to be a dark-skinned Rivaini, IMO. Duncan looks Caucasian, so it would be a little bizarre for him to have fathered a dark-skinned woman with African features with a Caucasian woman.

I think that Duncan looks more caucasian because of the game engine.If he were to be recreated in the new DAI engine or if he made an appeareace in a comic he would'nt look the same.Also ,at least to me, the Rivaini people seem indian in appearance.That would explain the more caucasian looks of Duncan and the other Rivaini seen in the comic.

The Rivaini appear to be a multi-racial people. They are said to range from tan to ebony, so Duncan and Isabela might just be the lighter-skinned (tan) variety. Or Duncan might just have inheritied a lot of his mother's features, since she was from Ferelden. In either case I don't think Duncan's appearance was the result of limitations with the DA:O game engine.

[MarchWaltz]

I think she has sister who lives in Philadelphia. Most likely the near the west.

[Angrywolves]

Yes a well conceived and thought out post.
One of the best I've ever seen on the BSN.
Congrats.
Could be.
Do you think she would know if Duncan was her father?

[Vulpe]

Han Shot First wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

 
2) Duncan is Rivaini in appearance ( his mother was from Rivain). From her appearance, Vivienne seems to be of Rivaini descent.

3) From what I’ve read, the book dosen’t mention the skin color of Vivian, so she might be also of Rivaini descent. Even if that's not the case , the Rivaini genes seem to be dominant – Duncan is half Fereldan half Rivaini,but he can easely pass as a full Rivaini

The mother would have to be a dark-skinned Rivaini, IMO. Duncan looks Caucasian, so it would be a little bizarre for him to have fathered a dark-skinned woman with African features with a Caucasian woman.

I think that Duncan looks more caucasian because of the game engine.If he were to be recreated in the new DAI engine or if he made an appeareace in a comic he would'nt look the same.Also ,at least to me, the Rivaini people seem indian in appearance.That would explain the more caucasian looks of Duncan and the other Rivaini seen in the comic.

The Rivaini appear to be a multi-racial people. They are said to range from tan to ebony, so Duncan and Isabela might just be the lighter-skinned (tan) variety. Or Duncan might just have inheritied a lot of his mother's features, since she was from Ferelden. In either case I don't think Duncan's appearance was the result of limitations with the DA:O game engine.

I won't argue with you on the Rivaini mather. You seem to have more knowledge about them then I do. Still, I don't agree on the engine part. He didn't seem to be that dark skinned to make him apart from the crowd ( personal opinion ) while in the books Maric noted that quite fast. Compared to Isabela he seems slightly tanned ( again, personal opinion ). An exemple of engine skin color limitations that passes through my mind would be the Avvar in Lothering - he seemed a little reddish to me. Maybe he fell asleep and ended up with a nice sunburn.

Also, Dunca's mother was Rivaini.The only things that maked him look like his father was the pony tail and the manly beard.

[Vulpe]

MarchWaltz wrote...

I think she has sister who lives in Philadelphia. Most likely the near the west.

Well I really hope the Veil dosen't tear over Philadelphia.

Angrywolves wrote...

Yes a well conceived and thought out post.
One of the best I've ever seen on the BSN.
Congrats.
Could be.
Do you think she would know if Duncan was her father?

Thanks:D. 

On the fatherly part - I don't realy know. If before or during the game we find out that she is named after her mother I would litteraly s***t my pants ( well, not litteraly. that would be grose ). If it ends up to be true I think we would have some nice interactions between her and Mr. Warden McBeard (if he is a companion).

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 26 septembre 2013 - 09:54 .