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[TheKomandorShepard]

JulianWellpit wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

oh god da will turns into soap opera if thats true we already have fiona-alistair hawke-warden , and meeting old characters constantly.

 Sandal - bastard son of Endrin Aeducan and an elf/human ; Morrigan - Daughter of Flemeth and Maric ; Dalish Warden - son/daughter of the Keeper that sends Maric and Loghain to Flemeth ; Morrigan's non-Old God Baby = The Force  .They're everywhere.

On the topic - I think that Duncan's little love story is a smart move from Mr. Gaider. It's left open so that , if he chooses to , he can use it to bring forth a descentant of Duncan or leave just as it seems : a simple ... recreatin with no real consequences.  Also , it's completly unrelated to the main plot of the book and it's scarcely mentioned in just 2 chapters which  makes it go unnoticed . Another perk is that it seems so trivial and unimportat  -  no one would expect it ( compared to the fact that Alistar might be Fiona's son )

To be honest i think i is dumb move from mr gaider if he do that i mean i don't mind such things if we have healthy number of such situations but da already overused that they keep teling us that da isn't about one person or group ok but now we have massive number of references to old characters and pointless cameos.But almost every character have some sort hilarious connections to legendary in da characters or this we already met.

Isabela-warden-hawke-zevran
Leliana-warden-hawke-talis-divine-inquisitor (well she will probably be in game) what next she is andraste incarnation or ancestor and we can kill her she is still alive.
Bohdan and Sandal-warden-hawke- inquisitor (heh what i can say)
Alistair-warden-hawke(in all his three fates)-fiona (mother) and king maric (father)
Teagan-warden-hawke
Zevran-warden-hawke
Anders-warden-hawke
Isolde-warden-hawke
Merril-dalish warden-hawke
Sophia-warden-hawke
Morrigan-warden-inquisitor-flemeth (mother?)
Wynne-warden-Rhys
Varric-hawke-inquisitor
Nathaniel-anders-hawke-warden
sketch-leliana-hawke

Now hawke is related to amell warden
Dalish warden have mother in book (i don't know you told me that)
city elf has shown his/her mother in leliana song and mets leliana.
Alistair is maric (ferelden king and one of characters in comics) and fiona (character was in two books and it is possible that she will be in third game) son
Now sandal is Aeducan son
Morrigan is flemeth son

i could find it more but well see what we have here some sort of twisted and unbelievable connections between characters in da products.

[Vulpe]

Magdalena11 wrote...

I can't see any reason lore-wise for this not to work. It would be interesting to see this kind of consequences.....Of course, Duncan seduced, if that's the right word, the mage at Lake Calenhad and the story is taking place in Orlais, but who knows where accidental babies wind up? Rhys wound up at the White Spire....

I actually think it was the other way around. That lady-mage reminded me of a certain lady pirate  .

[Vulpe]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

oh god da will turns into soap opera if thats true we already have fiona-alistair hawke-warden , and meeting old characters constantly.

 Sandal - bastard son of Endrin Aeducan and an elf/human ; Morrigan - Daughter of Flemeth and Maric ; Dalish Warden - son/daughter of the Keeper that sends Maric and Loghain to Flemeth ; Morrigan's non-Old God Baby = The Force  .They're everywhere.

On the topic - I think that Duncan's little love story is a smart move from Mr. Gaider. It's left open so that , if he chooses to , he can use it to bring forth a descentant of Duncan or leave just as it seems : a simple ... recreatin with no real consequences.  Also , it's completly unrelated to the main plot of the book and it's scarcely mentioned in just 2 chapters which  makes it go unnoticed . Another perk is that it seems so trivial and unimportat  -  no one would expect it ( compared to the fact that Alistar might be Fiona's son )

To be honest i think i is dumb move from mr gaider if he do that i mean i don't mind such things if we have healthy number of such situations but da already overused that they keep teling us that da isn't about one person or group ok but now we have massive number of references to old characters and pointless cameos.But almost every character have some sort hilarious connections to legendary in da characters or this we already met.

Isabela-warden-hawke-zevran
Leliana-warden-hawke-talis-divine-inquisitor (well she will probably be in game) what next she is andraste incarnation or ancestor and we can kill her she is still alive.
Bohdan and Sandal-warden-hawke- inquisitor (heh what i can say)
Alistair-warden-hawke(in all his three fates)-fiona (mother) and king maric (father)
Teagan-warden-hawke
Zevran-warden-hawke
Anders-warden-hawke
Isolde-warden-hawke
Merril-dalish warden-hawke
Sophia-warden-hawke
Morrigan-warden-inquisitor-flemeth (mother?)
Wynne-warden-Rhys
Varric-hawke-inquisitor
Nathaniel-anders-hawke-warden
sketch-leliana-hawke

Now hawke is related to amell warden
Dalish warden have mother in book (i don't know you told me that)
city elf has shown his/her mother in leliana song and mets leliana.
Alistair is maric (ferelden king and one of characters in comics) and fiona (character was in two books and it is possible that she will be in third game) son
Now sandal is Aeducan son
Morrigan is flemeth son

i could find it more but well see what we have here some sort of twisted and unbelievable connections between characters in da products.

High fantasy, my friend...high fantasy.

I agree with you...partly. A part of me wants Duncan to live foward through Vivienne and another wants to let the old guy rest. Still, there must exist some connections between the characters. Even the NPC's - they are exceptional characters in exceptional situations. .They shape the world. Besides, Thedas dosen't seem that large. Maric and the party went from NW Fereldan to SE (from West Hills to Gwaren) in less than a week ( well, at least that's what it seemed).

PS: Did Morrigan have a sex-change ? 

[DooomCookie]

So... Vivian had a kid called... Vivienne!

[TheKomandorShepard]

JulianWellpit wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

oh god da will turns into soap opera if thats true we already have fiona-alistair hawke-warden , and meeting old characters constantly.

 Sandal - bastard son of Endrin Aeducan and an elf/human ; Morrigan - Daughter of Flemeth and Maric ; Dalish Warden - son/daughter of the Keeper that sends Maric and Loghain to Flemeth ; Morrigan's non-Old God Baby = The Force  .They're everywhere.

On the topic - I think that Duncan's little love story is a smart move from Mr. Gaider. It's left open so that , if he chooses to , he can use it to bring forth a descentant of Duncan or leave just as it seems : a simple ... recreatin with no real consequences.  Also , it's completly unrelated to the main plot of the book and it's scarcely mentioned in just 2 chapters which  makes it go unnoticed . Another perk is that it seems so trivial and unimportat  -  no one would expect it ( compared to the fact that Alistar might be Fiona's son )

To be honest i think i is dumb move from mr gaider if he do that i mean i don't mind such things if we have healthy number of such situations but da already overused that they keep teling us that da isn't about one person or group ok but now we have massive number of references to old characters and pointless cameos.But almost every character have some sort hilarious connections to legendary in da characters or this we already met.

Isabela-warden-hawke-zevran
Leliana-warden-hawke-talis-divine-inquisitor (well she will probably be in game) what next she is andraste incarnation or ancestor and we can kill her she is still alive.
Bohdan and Sandal-warden-hawke- inquisitor (heh what i can say)
Alistair-warden-hawke(in all his three fates)-fiona (mother) and king maric (father)
Teagan-warden-hawke
Zevran-warden-hawke
Anders-warden-hawke
Isolde-warden-hawke
Merril-dalish warden-hawke
Sophia-warden-hawke
Morrigan-warden-inquisitor-flemeth (mother?)
Wynne-warden-Rhys
Varric-hawke-inquisitor
Nathaniel-anders-hawke-warden
sketch-leliana-hawke

Now hawke is related to amell warden
Dalish warden have mother in book (i don't know you told me that)
city elf has shown his/her mother in leliana song and mets leliana.
Alistair is maric (ferelden king and one of characters in comics) and fiona (character was in two books and it is possible that she will be in third game) son
Now sandal is Aeducan son
Morrigan is flemeth son

i could find it more but well see what we have here some sort of twisted and unbelievable connections between characters in da products.

High fantasy, my friend...high fantasy.

I agree with you...partly. A part of me wants Duncan to live foward through Vivienne and another wants to let the old guy rest. Still, there must exist some connections between the characters. Even the NPC's - they are exceptional characters in exceptional situations. .They shape the world. Besides, Thedas dosen't seem that large. Maric and the party went from NW Fereldan to SE (from West Hills to Gwaren) in less than a week ( well, at least that's what it seemed).

PS: Did Morrigan have a sex-change ? 

Perhaps but i don't remember rpg even in D&D where characters are such twisted connected.Ok we have bg but there is somehow explained and we have one that same pc and still that is to lesser degree.In da we have damn a TV series in the next episode leliana will meet her father and we know sandal dark secrets.Games and other products seems be about old da character sure we have some new but old characters are forced into story ok every character have own story even if isn't told but doesn't mean that their story have to be put into protagonist story if that is one character like flemeth i can understand if we have army of them like in me it becomes unbelievable.

And sory for morrigan heh maybe im tired because i don't even notice that.
But hey when we have reval after reveal it may be truth,

[Quicksilver26]

JulianWellpit wrote...

     I’ve recently finished “The Calling” . I’ve noticed something interesting that might explain Vivienne’s origins. 

SPOILERS :

During their visit to the Circle of Magi in Fereldan, Duncan sneaks from the rest of the group and goes on the higher levels of the tower.After some walking in the shadows , he steals some keys from a tranquil without him noticing, finds the First Enchanter’s chamber and takes a strange dagger from a locked box. On his way back he meets a young female apprentice by the name of Vivian. At the end of the chapter it’s havely hinted that Duncan and the mage have a one night stand, wich made me believe that maybe Vivienne is  the mage’s daughter.

Arguments :

1) We know that the children of mages are given to the Chantry, so that would explain why Vivienne would end up in the Circle of Orlais. That also happened to Rhys.

2) Duncan is Rivaini in appearance ( his mother was from Rivain). From her appearance, Vivienne seems to be of Rivaini descent.

3) From what I’ve read, the book dosen’t mention the skin color of Vivian, so she might be also of Rivaini descent. Even if that's not the case , the Rivaini genes seem to be dominant – Duncan is half Fereldan half Rivaini,but he can easely pass as a full Rivaini

4) Vivienne fits the age. The events take place around 9:14 Dragon, so that would make Vivienne 30 years old (give or take ) by the time of Asunder.

5) A warden can have kids with an untainted person. The chances are slim, but they exist.Plus  Duncan's taint wasn't so advanced ( he was a warden for about 6 months ) , so maybe that increased the chances of conceiving a baby.

6) Do I have to mention the name similarity ? 

To me it sounds plausible, even though I must admit it seems a little far fetched. If any of you have finished the book and know something I don’t please don’t let me get lost in the hype and correct me. So what do you think ? Could Vivienne be the daughter that Duncan has never met ?

I was thinking the same thing was gonna make a post but you beat me to it.

[Vulpe]

DooomCookie wrote...

So... Vivian had a kid called... Vivienne!

Parents do stranger things. For instance, I know some cases in my country where the parents named their son Superman or Tom-Mac-Bil-Bob-Constantin ( that's the actual name). Naming your kid after you isn't such a big deal. Perhaps she wasn't the one that named the baby. Maybe she met a tragic end, something like dying at childbirth and someone decided to name the baby after her ( it does start to sound like a soap opera  ). Or maybe shes alive and just wanted to feed her ego.

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

oh god da will turns into soap opera if thats true we already have fiona-alistair hawke-warden , and meeting old characters constantly.

 Sandal - bastard son of Endrin Aeducan and an elf/human ; Morrigan - Daughter of Flemeth and Maric ; Dalish Warden - son/daughter of the Keeper that sends Maric and Loghain to Flemeth ; Morrigan's non-Old God Baby = The Force  .They're everywhere.

On the topic - I think that Duncan's little love story is a smart move from Mr. Gaider. It's left open so that , if he chooses to , he can use it to bring forth a descentant of Duncan or leave just as it seems : a simple ... recreatin with no real consequences.  Also , it's completly unrelated to the main plot of the book and it's scarcely mentioned in just 2 chapters which  makes it go unnoticed . Another perk is that it seems so trivial and unimportat  -  no one would expect it ( compared to the fact that Alistar might be Fiona's son )

To be honest i think i is dumb move from mr gaider if he do that i mean i don't mind such things if we have healthy number of such situations but da already overused that they keep teling us that da isn't about one person or group ok but now we have massive number of references to old characters and pointless cameos.But almost every character have some sort hilarious connections to legendary in da characters or this we already met.

Isabela-warden-hawke-zevran 
Leliana-warden-hawke-talis-divine-inquisitor (well she will probably be in game) what next she is andraste incarnation or ancestor and we can kill her she is still alive.
Bohdan and Sandal-warden-hawke- inquisitor (heh what i can say)
Alistair-warden-hawke(in all his three fates)-fiona (mother) and king maric (father)
Teagan-warden-hawke 
Zevran-warden-hawke 
Anders-warden-hawke
Isolde-warden-hawke
Merril-dalish warden-hawke
Sophia-warden-hawke 
Morrigan-warden-inquisitor-flemeth (mother?)
Wynne-warden-Rhys 
Varric-hawke-inquisitor
Nathaniel-anders-hawke-warden
sketch-leliana-hawke

Now hawke is related to amell warden
Dalish warden have mother in book (i don't know you told me that)
city elf has shown his/her mother in leliana song and mets leliana. 
Alistair is maric (ferelden king and one of characters in comics) and fiona (character was in two books and it is possible that she will be in third game) son 
Now sandal is Aeducan son 
Morrigan is flemeth son 

i could find it more but well see what we have here some sort of twisted and unbelievable connections between characters in da products. 

High fantasy, my friend...high fantasy.

I agree with you...partly. A part of me wants Duncan to live foward through Vivienne and another wants to let the old guy rest. Still, there must exist some connections between the characters. Even the NPC's - they are exceptional characters in exceptional situations. .They shape the world. Besides, Thedas dosen't seem that large. Maric and the party went from NW Fereldan to SE (from West Hills to Gwaren) in less than a week ( well, at least that's what it seemed).

PS: Did Morrigan have a sex-change ? 

Perhaps but i don't remember rpg even in D&D where characters are such twisted connected.Ok we have bg but there is somehow explained and we have one that same pc and still that is to lesser degree.In da we have damn a TV series in the next episode leliana will meet her father and we know sandal dark secrets.Games and other products seems be about old da character sure we have some new but old characters are forced into story ok every character have own story even if isn't told but doesn't mean that their story have to be put into protagonist story if that is one character like flemeth i can understand if we have army of them like in me it becomes unbelievable.

And sory for morrigan heh maybe im tired because i don't even notice that.
But hey when we have reval after reveal it may be truth, 

Those things seem to happen, even if we like them or don't. As long as we don't get a totaly unimportant character who's actions didn't affect the world in a major way like  ,let's say ,Berwich I'm totaly ok with them.

Until we get more info my theory remains just that. A simple theory. From what we know about her, she could be the cousin of the Queen of Antiva.

PS: I was just being a smartass. Imagine the horror. Judging by the companions speculations where on for a huge sausage fest. The last thing that's missing is to turn the female characters in to males. Bioware, please don't 

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 27 septembre 2013 - 06:36 .

[Nethalf]

Sounds a bit dramatic to me but still impressive. You're a real smartass, op  Gratz.

[maliluka]

JulianWellpit wrote...

DooomCookie wrote...

So... Vivian had a kid called... Vivienne!

Parents do stranger things. For instance, I know some cases in my country where the parents named their son Superman or Tom-Mac-Bil-Bob-Constantin ( that's the actual name). Naming your kid after you isn't such a big deal. Perhaps she wasn't the one that named the baby. Maybe she met a tragic end, something like dying at childbirth and someone decided to name the baby after her ( it does start to sound like a soap opera  ). Or maybe shes alive and just wanted to feed her ego.

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

oh god da will turns into soap opera if thats true we already have fiona-alistair hawke-warden , and meeting old characters constantly.

 Sandal - bastard son of Endrin Aeducan and an elf/human ; Morrigan - Daughter of Flemeth and Maric ; Dalish Warden - son/daughter of the Keeper that sends Maric and Loghain to Flemeth ; Morrigan's non-Old God Baby = The Force  .They're everywhere.

On the topic - I think that Duncan's little love story is a smart move from Mr. Gaider. It's left open so that , if he chooses to , he can use it to bring forth a descentant of Duncan or leave just as it seems : a simple ... recreatin with no real consequences.  Also , it's completly unrelated to the main plot of the book and it's scarcely mentioned in just 2 chapters which  makes it go unnoticed . Another perk is that it seems so trivial and unimportat  -  no one would expect it ( compared to the fact that Alistar might be Fiona's son )

To be honest i think i is dumb move from mr gaider if he do that i mean i don't mind such things if we have healthy number of such situations but da already overused that they keep teling us that da isn't about one person or group ok but now we have massive number of references to old characters and pointless cameos.But almost every character have some sort hilarious connections to legendary in da characters or this we already met.

Isabela-warden-hawke-zevran 
Leliana-warden-hawke-talis-divine-inquisitor (well she will probably be in game) what next she is andraste incarnation or ancestor and we can kill her she is still alive.
Bohdan and Sandal-warden-hawke- inquisitor (heh what i can say)
Alistair-warden-hawke(in all his three fates)-fiona (mother) and king maric (father)
Teagan-warden-hawke 
Zevran-warden-hawke 
Anders-warden-hawke
Isolde-warden-hawke
Merril-dalish warden-hawke
Sophia-warden-hawke 
Morrigan-warden-inquisitor-flemeth (mother?)
Wynne-warden-Rhys 
Varric-hawke-inquisitor
Nathaniel-anders-hawke-warden
sketch-leliana-hawke

Now hawke is related to amell warden
Dalish warden have mother in book (i don't know you told me that)
city elf has shown his/her mother in leliana song and mets leliana. 
Alistair is maric (ferelden king and one of characters in comics) and fiona (character was in two books and it is possible that she will be in third game) son 
Now sandal is Aeducan son 
Morrigan is flemeth son 

i could find it more but well see what we have here some sort of twisted and unbelievable connections between characters in da products. 

High fantasy, my friend...high fantasy.

I agree with you...partly. A part of me wants Duncan to live foward through Vivienne and another wants to let the old guy rest. Still, there must exist some connections between the characters. Even the NPC's - they are exceptional characters in exceptional situations. .They shape the world. Besides, Thedas dosen't seem that large. Maric and the party went from NW Fereldan to SE (from West Hills to Gwaren) in less than a week ( well, at least that's what it seemed).

PS: Did Morrigan have a sex-change ? 

Perhaps but i don't remember rpg even in D&D where characters are such twisted connected.Ok we have bg but there is somehow explained and we have one that same pc and still that is to lesser degree.In da we have damn a TV series in the next episode leliana will meet her father and we know sandal dark secrets.Games and other products seems be about old da character sure we have some new but old characters are forced into story ok every character have own story even if isn't told but doesn't mean that their story have to be put into protagonist story if that is one character like flemeth i can understand if we have army of them like in me it becomes unbelievable.

And sory for morrigan heh maybe im tired because i don't even notice that.
But hey when we have reval after reveal it may be truth, 

Those things seem to happen, even if we like them or don't. As long as we don't get a totaly unimportant character who's actions didn't affect the world in a major way like  ,let's say ,Berwich I'm totaly ok with them.

Until we get more info my theory remains just that. A simple theory. From what we know about her, she could be the cousin of the Queen of Antiva.

PS: I was just being a smartass. Imagine the horror. Judging by the companions speculations where on for a huge sausage fest. The last thing that's missing is to turn the female characters in to males. Bioware, please don't 

Yep, better than a soap opera.... so when shall I tune back into "As Thedas Turns" to find out who the missing cousin is of the Queen of Antiva? Wait let me guess its Carrol and he is actually a cross dressing hermaphrodite?  Please don't keep me in suspense.

[myahele]

Honestly if everybody is connected/ related to everybody else it will be quite the mess for a plot. 1st its Alistair's dead mother being a cover-up.

Then Morrigan not being Flemeth's daughter, but some other woman... or the possibility that Maric is her Father; meaning that Alistair and her are 1/2 siblings which makes the whole dark ritual even more appalling. Oh, and apparently maric might still be alive

Now its Viviene being the long-lost daughter of Duncan.

What's next? Sten is actually the brother of the Arishok in Kirkwal? That the Surana warden is actually the offspring of Orsino? Cullen is actually the son of Meredith!?

[maliluka]

myahele wrote...

Honestly if everybody is connected/ related to everybody else it will be quite the mess for a plot. 1st its Alistair's dead mother being a cover-up.

Then Morrigan not being Flemeth's daughter, but some other woman... or the possibility that Maric is her Father; meaning that Alistair and her are 1/2 siblings which makes the whole dark ritual even more appalling. Oh, and apparently maric might still be alive

Now its Viviene being the long-lost daughter of Duncan.

What's next? Sten is actually the brother of the Arishok in Kirkwal? That the Surana warden is actually the offspring of Orsino? Cullen is actually the son of Meredith!?

well if we dont get to see any new characters and only returning ones you can see how the proverbial family tree is not going to branch much

[Vulpe]

maliluka wrote...

Yep, better than a soap opera.... so when shall I tune back into "As Thedas Turns" to find out who the missing cousin is of the Queen of Antiva? Wait let me guess its Carrol and he is actually a cross dressing hermaphrodite?  Please don't keep me in suspense.

I like your sarcasm.I think you exagerated a little at the "hermaphrodite" part, but still enjoyable:).As I mentioned in an earlier post : until we get more information my theory remains just that,a simple theory. It has its perks because currently theres so little information regarding Vivienne that there's nothing to contradict it. If you or any one knows something that might prove my assumption incorrect feel free to bring it forward. No hard feelings.Maybe in time we'll get this kind of informations .

That dosen't mean I'm right.  I could be wrong,oh so very wrong. The only thing that I think that people should acknowledge is the fact that Duncan's one night stand can be used further to bring forth a descendand of his, be it Vivienne or anybody else. It's very open and presents no contradictions with the lore. Will they do it ? Should they do it ? I don't know. That's for the writing team to decide if they want to pursue it or let it rest. 

maliluka wrote...

myahele wrote...

Honestly if everybody is connected/ related to everybody else it will be quite the mess for a plot. 1st its Alistair's dead mother being a cover-up.

Then Morrigan not being Flemeth's daughter, but some other woman... or the possibility that Maric is her Father; meaning that Alistair and her are 1/2 siblings which makes the whole dark ritual even more appalling. Oh, and apparently maric might still be alive 

Now its Viviene being the long-lost daughter of Duncan.

What's next? Sten is actually the brother of the Arishok in Kirkwal? That the Surana warden is actually the offspring of Orsino? Cullen is actually the son of Meredith!?

well if we dont get to see any new characters and only returning ones you can see how the proverbial family tree is not going to branch much

@myahele, I don't see it as you do.I think that people on the BSN tend to increase the importance of certain character interactions to a higher level than necessary. Some of them are just simple interations, with no further consequences.Something similar to a quest giver.

For exemple : The Warden is not connected to Kester . He simple interacts with him.
                          That's the case for Hawke and Zevran.Hawke simply meets the guy, interacts with him, and that's over. Zevran is connected to the Warden , but merely interacts with Hawke. I know that he's a former companion and a somehow important character and that his appearance was a little convenient, but that dosen't mean that Hawke has any connections with Zevran. He just helped the guy and knows that he exists.That's all.
The only connection that I feel it didn't have a place was the one between Hawke and the Amell Warden. That was a little to much.

As for Morrigan and Alistar : they are special cases. We know that Morrigan's Flemeth daughter (more or less). Also Alistar has dragon blood. From what we learned, Flemeth and the dragon blood are very important to the plot, so that necessitates some special attention.

Flemeth seems to twist the lives of every person she enters in contact with so that , at least for me, the existance
of connections between them is quite expected. They're her chess pieces. That excuses ,to some degree, the 
connections between Hawke, the Warden, the Sabrae clan , Merril et cetera.

The possibility of an incest between Alistar and Morrigan isn't such a big deal. After all, this is a M rated game, so such things don't seem so far fetched. I find the broodmothers and the process of becoming one more "appaling", to say at least, than an accidental incest. Beside, we have the legend of Arthur as a parallel. Also this things happened in human history. Things like this happened  in antiquity, through the Middle Ages, until the modern era. I understand people concerns, but still those could happen in an M rated setting.

The only way to eliminate all the connections, greater or lesser, is to move the world 100+ years in the future. That way we'll end up just with Flemeth ( maybe ).
 
Because of this I don't feel ready to deny the possibility that Duncan could have a child, and that child might be Vivienne.
Not until further informations.

As for the rest of your comment : you were just beeing silly. I'm to tired to be silly on my turn. 

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 27 septembre 2013 - 09:27 .

[GDog89]

Seems very Possible now Im really interested to hear more the Folk of Rivain

[Angrywolves]

I don't like the use of the term incest.
It implies, in this case that Morrigan and Allistair are in effect directly related and I see no proof of that.

[Vulpe]

Angrywolves wrote...

I don't like the use of the term incest.
It implies, in this case that Morrigan and Allistair are in effect directly related and I see no proof of that.

Well, I was referring to myhaele's statement that Morrigan could be Maric's daughter and , in case The Dark Ritual takes place and she is conceiving the OGB with Alistar , an incestual relationship may occur. From what little we know, that theory it's as good as mine.

Oh, and @ myhaele, I forgot to mention it in my previous post - SPOILERS : 

Maric seemed quite dead in the comics at the end. The only way he could be somehow near to alive would be if he was "living" in the Fade.

[Vulpe]

MasterScribe wrote...

Why is there no mention of Vivian on DAWiki?

How minor is she?

Very easy to pass.  She's scarcely mentioned in chapter 3 when Duncan sees her from the meeting hall ( page 71 ). After that she makes a comeback at the near end of the chapter ( page 79 ) when she flirts with him and at the very end of the chaper it's heavily implied that they go in her chamber. 
The fact that they had...some fun is enforced in the next chapter. There's a brief moment between Duncan and Genevieve where we find out that she found him and the apprentice doing what they were doing. Duncan asks her if he did something wrong which is fallowed by a somehow funny moment where Genevieve stumbles on her words. And that's all. There's no acurate sign that might indicate if she found them before, during or after the act, but judging by Duncan's question, I think that was eighter during or immediately after the .

All we know about Vivian is that she's an young apprentice, she has "tousled brown hair and intense doe eyes" and shes quite a proficient flirter. On the lover side, ask Duncan...oh, he's dead:crying:.

I am not surprised at all that she's not mentioned in the wiki.She's easy to miss and completly unimportant ( at least for now  )

[Archaven]

Of all characters... i find Vivienne is the best and interesting character to me. I certainly hope she's a LI.

[Angrywolves]

Yes I know Flemeth met Maric in one of Gaider's books.
Don't read the books but read the wiki.
We don't know who fathered Flemeth's daughters, if they're even biologically her daughters, if they could be clones or from parthenogenesis, or some other process.
We don't know if Gaider will disclose this in DAI or if it will remain a mystery.
Morrigan as Allistair's half sister isn't a theory, it's speculation , which is ok.
Theories are expected to have some proof, aka the theory of relativity and I don't see any with this.
But we'll see.

[syllogi]

Angrywolves wrote...

Yes I know Flemeth met Maric in one of Gaider's books.
Don't read the books but read the wiki.
We don't know who fathered Flemeth's daughters, if they're even biologically her daughters, if they could be clones or from parthenogenesis, or some other process.
We don't know if Gaider will disclose this in DAI or if it will remain a mystery.
Morrigan as Allistair's half sister isn't a theory, it's speculation , which is ok.
Theories are expected to have some proof, aka the theory of relativity and I don't see any with this.
But we'll see.

In The Stolen Throne, Flemeth demands that Maric do something for her in exchange for helping him and Loghain find their way out of the Korcari Wilds.  She brings him into her home for several hours, and Loghain has to wait outside.  Afterwards, Maric does not say what happened in there, and seems a bit traumatized.

My theory is that Flemeth was making him move heavy furniture and open jars.  I mean, what's the chance that a creepy witch who is known in legends for having sex with men to bear their children would bring the future King of Ferelden into her home for several hours and want to bang him?  TOTALLY none, right???

[cjones91]

Angrywolves wrote...

Yes I know Flemeth met Maric in one of Gaider's books.
Don't read the books but read the wiki.
We don't know who fathered Flemeth's daughters, if they're even biologically her daughters, if they could be clones or from parthenogenesis, or some other process.
We don't know if Gaider will disclose this in DAI or if it will remain a mystery.
Morrigan as Allistair's half sister isn't a theory, it's speculation , which is ok.
Theories are expected to have some proof, aka the theory of relativity and I don't see any with this.
But we'll see.

Morrigan said that Flemeth often seduced Chasind men and killed them after the deed was done.

[Angrywolves]

It's easy to say that.
What percentage of DA fans have read Gaider's books.
My guess is most haven't . So those of us who haven't should be penalized for that somehow, or have it rubbed in our faces by the book and comic readers, who may act like they have superior knowledge and the rest of us must be ignorant.
Don't think that will fly very well with the large number of people who haven't read the books and comics .
shrugs.
If someone wants to claim Flemeth seduced Maric they're certainly welcome to do so and the speculation that Allistair and Morrigan are half brother and sister becomes a theory after all.
Gee, hope that settles things Rotfl.

[Vulpe]

I would like to ask everyone that comments on this post to restrain themselves from offtopics so that we don't get this post locked. There are other posts where the other theories and assumptions can be discussed. I know that I helped in this derailment...a lot to which I am sorry. So let's try and not to bring up info that's unrelated or can't be used as a parallel / reinforcement / contradiction to the topic. Let's prevent lockdown. Please. Thank you in advance.