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[Fiery Phoenix]

It might be a little too soon for this kind of thing, but I figured I'd just throw it out there and hope someone takes note.

We all have witnessed the "Preorder now and get free exclusive content" mentality that has surrounded numerous AAA titles over the past several years. While not a bad practice in and of itself, some developers sadly make it look like one by locking those who don't pre-order out of said content. It's even worse when the exclusive content is retailer-specific.

So, with this in view, and considering that DA:I is 99.9% likely to feature preorder-exclusive content, it would be most appreciated for EA/BioWare to release a package containing all preorder-exclusive content as DLC within the first few months of the game's launch. Not six months or a year after, but within the first 30-60 days of release. (I understand why they might not want to make such DLC available at launch.)

Personally, I wouldn't mind paying an additional $5-$10 for something like that, especially if it contains extra missions/quests. So I'm hoping EA takes this into consideration.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 26 septembre 2013 - 06:41 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

It might be a little too soon for this kind of thing, but I figured I'd just throw it out there and hope someone takes note.

We all have witnessed the "Preorder now and get free exclusive content" mentality that has surrounded numerous AAA titles over the past several years. While not a bad practice in and of itself, some developers sadly make it look like one by locking those who don't pre-order out of said content. It's even worse when the exclusive content is retailer-specific.

So, with this in view, and considering that DA:I is 99.9% likely to feature preorder-exclusive content, it would be most appreciated for EA/BioWare to release a package containing all preorder-exclusive content as DLC within the first few months of the game's launch. Not six months or a year after, but within the first 30-60 days of release. (I understand why they might not want to make such DLC available at launch.)

Personally, I wouldn't mind paying an additional $5-$10 for something like that, especially if it contains extra missions/quests. So I'm hoping EA takes this into consideration.

What if the pre-order exclusive is a cloth map? Or a shiny box for the game to come in? I'm guessing that wouldn't be something you're worried about. Just in-game items/content/assets, correct?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Of course. I was specifically referring to in-game content, e.g. quests, characters, etc.

[Fast Jimmy]

I wouldn't be against the idea. If people were willing to pay for something they otherwise could have gotten free if they had pre-ordered/ordered at a certain retailer and it was after the time frame where such pre-orders were possible (or, at least, likley) to ever be picked up, then you'd think Bioware would be willing to sell it to them.

[mupp3tz]

Agree, OP. For in game content, I also believe it should be available within a month or two after release as DLC; however, I would also give the perk of including some sort of out of game bonus for pre-orders. Otherwise, there's no point pre-ordering unless you are just really impatient.

[ghost_ronin]

I really don't mind them if its Bioware. Their particular day-one dlcs are usually pretty good. The black emporium was appreciated even though some of the items were way overpowered. They want as many pre-orders as possible and i understand that, but gloves are off if its on-disc day one dlc, thats just rude.

[Fast Jimmy]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Agree, OP. For in game content, I also believe it should be available within a month or two after release as DLC; however, I would also give the perk of including some sort of out of game bonus for pre-orders. Otherwise, there's no point pre-ordering unless you are just really impatient.

Isn't that, by very definition, the concept of pre-ordering?

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 26 septembre 2013 - 08:03 .

[billy the squid]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

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We all have witnessed the "Preorder now and get free exclusive content" mentality that has surrounded numerous AAA titles over the past several years. While not a bad practice in and of itself...

 

Pre order mentality and practice is an abomination and it should be purged, as should all developers and publishers who use it in nebulous and murky scams.

Aliens Colonial Marines and Gearbox's review embargos anyone? Rome Total War 2 and Creative Assembly? 2 of the most recent high profile escapades. Throw in Sim City's launch fiasco and it's easy to see it as a scam plain and simple. 

We're not talking about a little bugs here, we're talking huge gigantic screw ups and lies. I defy anyone to defend that kind of behaviour as legitimate. 

Modifié par billy the squid, 26 septembre 2013 - 09:18 .

[mupp3tz]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Agree, OP. For in game content, I also believe it should be available within a month or two after release as DLC; however, I would also give the perk of including some sort of out of game bonus for pre-orders. Otherwise, there's no point pre-ordering unless you are just really impatient.

Isn't that, by very definition, the concept of pre-ordering?

WAITAMINUTE JIMMY. LET ME SPLAIN MYSELF.

I just realized I was thinking CE editons that warrant a higher price point. But, yes, you do make a preorder when you're impatient.. but companies like to toss in a little bonus to guarantee an early sale vs. one on Day X.  If the bonus content is available later on, then maybe I won't care to preorder.  

However, if they tossed in a little added off game bonus (i.e. sticker? patch? idk man), then it's a bit more compelling. You'd get that extra special feeling for having preordered, while not blocking off non pre-orderers (?) from game content.

I just want stickers.

[Fast Jimmy]

Well, if you have made up your mind about buying a game months in advance, that's being impatient about it. You've precluded (or, at least, ignored) the possibility that the game may not at all be something you want to spend your money on.

I mean, unless you pre-order a game and then wait and read reviews/get peer feedback before picking it up? I'm not sure how possible or frequent that is.

[mupp3tz]

Well, yes, I worded the preorder/impatient thing in the last post weirdly.

My point was more on how I think it would be a good idea to include out of game bonuses that don't punish (via in game content) ones who aren't preordering. I don't like the blocking of in game content, yet understand that a pre-order sometimes has to be coaxed for those on the fence. Basically, if it's in game.. make it available later on. Your unique bonus would be the out of game item.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 26 septembre 2013 - 08:24 .

[RedArmyShogun]

Thing is, if I can get that all later, why in the hell would I preorder?

[Fiery Phoenix]

greengoron89 wrote...

Please no. The promotional and exclusive crap was bad enough with Origins, and even worse with DAII. Let's not continue that trend please.

It will happen. There's no way around it. That's why we're asking for them to at least make the content available as DLC post-launch.

RedArmyShogun wrote...

Thing is, if I can get that all later, why in the hell would I preorder?

You get it for free if you preorder.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 26 septembre 2013 - 08:41 .

[KENNY4753]

If you wouldnt mind paying 5-10 dollars for it later why not just pre-order it?

Think about this...

Instead of spending $5 dollars to pre-order DAI for extra content (which you could always cancel and get your money back) you spend $5/$10 for the same content later (you could possibly end up paying more for said content).

I fail to see how that makes much sense.

[Fiery Phoenix]

KENNY4753 wrote...

If you wouldnt mind paying 5-10 dollars for it later why not just pre-order it?

Think about this...

Instead of spending $5 dollars to pre-order DAI for extra content (which you could always cancel and get your money back) you spend $5/$10 for the same content later (you could possibly end up paying more for said content).

I fail to see how that makes much sense.

No, you're right. However, sometimes there is retailer-specific content and other promotional stuff. An example off the top of my head would be Far Cry 3, where preordering from GameStop would give you an extra hour of gameplay through a bonus mission. Luckily, Ubisoft released that as DLC for $5 a couple months later.

But regardless, even if I do end up preordering, there will always be those who don't, and I would want everyone to be able to have the game experience as everyone else.

[L. Han]

This whole marketting ploy to get people to either pre-order for special stuff is such an unhealthy practice. We all have our reasons why we can or cannot buy something at a specific time.

Does anyone even remember back when we brought games and we got pretty much everything it had to offer?

[billy the squid]

KENNY4753 wrote...

If you wouldnt mind paying 5-10 dollars for it later why not just pre-order it?

Think about this...

Instead of spending $5 dollars to pre-order DAI for extra content (which you could always cancel and get your money back) you spend $5/$10 for the same content later (you could possibly end up paying more for said content).

I fail to see how that makes much sense.

Because the price declines rapidly after the first 3 weeks and I don't risk getting screwed over by misrepresentation in the marketing by buying a product blind due to review embargos.

[Snowflake_in_Hel]

DA:2 taught me never to pre-order anything. I would have had more fun lighting my pipe with three $20.00 bills. I'm still ticked at myself for falling for the hype.

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[Plaintiff]

I guess I don't care. Ubisoft already does this.

[Si-Shen]

Pre-order bonus' I don't normally care about, usually they are nothing overly special (couple weapons, etc.) so I don't normally care if a pre-order comes out for purchase later.

I do however feel, that even some in-game content, when it comes to CE's should remain solely part of the CE. It's a reward unique to those that choose to go CE over regular, if you wanted it, you got the CE version, else you can't really claim to want it that badly.

[KENNY4753]

@Phoenix I understand where you are coming from but even if they release it as dlc later it makes pre-ordering pointless.

About your "I want everybody to have the same game experience" statement I really disagree with. We saw what happens when devs try to give everybody the same experience with ME3. Now I know your point was that you dont want people to miss out on the content completely because they didnt pre-order but what about those who do. Sure they get the same content but thats it?

@billy the squid well why should the company reward you for not having faith in their company to make a great product?

and for the record I will be pre-ording/buying the game blind

[snackrat]

I think what they've been doing is that the pre-order is free Day 1 DLC. Or is that for all new games? I forget.

That said, augh I hate retailer-specific. NZ is a small market so games here cost a LOT of money. Would I rather pay UK prices and get the base game for $NZ70 (~$US50-60), or pay $140 (~$US100-110) at EB Games for an additional enchanted ring.
Hmm.... reeeeal hard decision that.

Even worse though is MULTIPLE retailer specific. Here a ring, there a brace, those guys a book. Who's going to buy a dozen copies to get everything? Augh.

And then you have games that are almost DEPENDANT on limited content. Like the zombies in Sims 3: Supernatural. They're a plants vs zombies reference, so they get into your garden and f***. S***. Up. Try to find help keeping them out and it says "use the item that comes soley with limited edition it is the only thing that works". (Sure you can try fences, but they can spawn INSIDE those too. It just stops them entering.)