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M-55 Argus vs N7 Valkyrie on a Human Soldier with no accuracy or stability mods

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:20

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www.youtube.com/watch  

As a reference - Argus on Turian Ghost with Stability or Accuracy or both. 

www.youtube.com/watch

As you can see - Argus has INSANE recoil. (it's actually comical even) You can aim at enemies feet and hit the head or even go over it.

With this setup the Argus practically loses 1/3 of it's DPS guaranteed as 1 shot will almost always miss per burst. And it's DPS is already nothing special.

Valkyrie also has some recoil, but nowhere near as bad.  And much faster refire time allows you to adjust quicker. 

P.S. 

As always, INB4 douchebags derailing the topic, not paying attention to what really matters and talking about my ****** poor shooting on bronze, on a 30 FPS laptop with a track-pad while BS'ing around. 

Modifié par Element 0, 26 septembre 2013 - 08:34 .

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:22

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Good god man, stop beating the dead horse.

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:23

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What happens when you take an Auto weapon with no piercing?

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:24

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Well we know where we're goin', but we don't know where we've been, and we know what we're knowin', but we can't say what we've seen. And we're not little children and we know what we want. And the future is certain, give us time to work it out......................................

Modifié par cato_84, 26 septembre 2013 - 08:27 .

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Excella Gionne
Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:25

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I first used the M-55 Argus on my Turian Cabal Vanguard and deeply regretted it. I'll give it another try at some point, but I continued to melee everything when I found out the Argus was horrible. Prefer N7 Valkyrie better, probably because most or all of the N7 guns are very good.

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:25

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The Valkyrie is way superior to the Argus in my opinion. Hell it even looks better. It's manageable even without the recoil dampener.

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:27

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Why would you make a "test" and only compensate for recoil on the Valkyrie? And why didn't you just put a HVB on Argus instead of AP and AP I?

And why do you keep comparing those 2 guns for no reason?

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:27

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cato_84 wrote...

Well we know where we're goin', but we don't know where we've been, and we know what we're knowin', but we can't say what we've seen. And we're not little children amd we know what we want. And the future is certain, give us time to work it out......................................


Fortune cookie? 

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:28

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The argus is only kind of decent on a Tsol/QMS. Or of course if you overstack it with stability bonuses and put a scope on it. Sure it'll do okay then but why not just use a valkyrie instead?

I feel like I missed a huge sh*t storm over the argus in the past few days. Anyone mind posting a link?

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:30

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N7didacus wrote...

Why would you make a "test" and only compensate for recoil on the Valkyrie? And why didn't you just put a HVB on Argus instead of AP and AP I?

And why do you keep comparing those 2 guns for no reason?

 

I compensated for both guns. 

And I've done both weapons with the same mods. 

And the point is not to show it's damage, but accuracy and stability when you have none. 

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:30

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KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

cato_84 wrote...

Well we know where we're goin', but we don't know where we've been, and we know what we're knowin', but we can't say what we've seen. And we're not little children amd we know what we want. And the future is certain, give us time to work it out......................................


Fortune cookie? 


We're on the road to nowhere, Ox.

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:33

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cato_84 wrote...

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

cato_84 wrote...

Well we know where we're goin', but we don't know where we've been, and we know what we're knowin', but we can't say what we've seen. And we're not little children amd we know what we want. And the future is certain, give us time to work it out......................................


Fortune cookie? 


We're on the road to nowhere, Ox.


Come on inside, Cato.

We'll take that ride. 

EDIT: I knew, just wanted to pull your leg :innocent:.

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:39

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People were asking for videos and proof.

You got it.

Now we can lock it down.

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:44

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Element 0 wrote...

People were asking for videos and proof.

You got it.

Now we can lock it down.


I really don't think anyone seriously was wondering about the difference in stability between the two guns unmodded.  I think we have all used them before and know that the argus kicks like a mule.

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:48

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I didn't bother watching the videos.

Are you enjoying this attention?

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:49

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Ledgend1221 wrote...

What happens when you take an Auto weapon with no piercing?


This, err coots I agree that the argus is a bad gun and should feel bad. However, trying to show that by deliberately using the wrong setup is just asinine. That is equivalent to using a Typhoon with no AP of any kind and going "Lul, look how bad the Typhoon is, it can't kill armor worth a damn!"

Edit: and also this.

prostheticlimbs wrote...

I didn't bother watching the videos.

Are you enjoying this attention?


+1

Modifié par rlucht, 26 septembre 2013 - 08:50 .

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:49

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KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

cato_84 wrote...

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

cato_84 wrote...

Well we know where we're goin', but we don't know where we've been, and we know what we're knowin', but we can't say what we've seen. And we're not little children amd we know what we want. And the future is certain, give us time to work it out......................................


Fortune cookie? 


We're on the road to nowhere, Ox.


Come on inside, Cato.

We'll take that ride. 

EDIT: I knew, just wanted to pull your leg :innocent:.



Well, consider my leg pulled. :pinched:

I must remember to dial down my credulousness on BSN.

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:50

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johnnythao89 wrote...

I first used the M-55 Argus on my Turian Cabal Vanguard and deeply regretted it. I'll give it another try at some point, but I continued to melee everything when I found out the Argus was horrible. Prefer N7 Valkyrie better, probably because most or all of the N7 guns are very good.

I tried finding a use for the argus about a week ago, when the first argus thread was made.

I decided to focus on using it as a brute force midrange weapon, since the valkyrie outperforms it as a scoped long-range skull-buster.

I settled on using it on a HInf with a scoped executioner pistol for killing guardians and long range work.

With the cryo debuff and tac cloak, theres no need for any type of AP on the argus, as it only has it's damage reduced from 2121 points to 2046 points this way, 75 points isn't exactly significant.

This lets you use disruptor ammo to get free tech bursts with the sticky grenades.

Incindiary ammo would work too, if you have any to spare.

The build:
kalence.drupalgardens.com/me3-builder#51!1903545!2503515!53Z51333!5G0A5O

Not exactly OP, but functional, at least.

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:52

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OrcWhisperer wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

People were asking for videos and proof.

You got it.

Now we can lock it down.


I really don't think anyone seriously was wondering about the difference in stability between the two guns unmodded.  I think we have all used them before and know that the argus kicks like a mule.

 

Some people apparently didn't. 

And the contrast is - I can slap a damage barrel and piercing on Valkyrie and have almost the same stability as an Argus with 70% stability mod. 

And practically of all AR's (except Argus and maybe Revenant) require overstacking of mods for both accuracy and stability and a special kit with accuracy OR Marksman kit with stability passives to perform decently. 

Other AR's can easily get away with just stacking damage and ammo for sustained DPS. 

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:53

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Wow, I'm on console and I can still make all three shots connect with the Argus.

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:55

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rlucht wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

What happens when you take an Auto weapon with no piercing?


This, err coots I agree that the argus is a bad gun and should feel bad. However, trying to show that by deliberately using the wrong setup is just asinine. That is equivalent to using a Typhoon with no AP of any kind and going "Lul, look how bad the Typhoon is, it can't kill armor worth a damn!"

Edit: and also this.

prostheticlimbs wrote...

I didn't bother watching the videos.

Are you enjoying this attention?


+1

 

I also used the perfect setup on another video. Such contrast from atrocious to decent is just shows how bad the default Argus really is and how much stacking you need to make it decent. 

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:56

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DullahansXMark wrote...

Wow, I'm on console and I can still make all three shots connect with the Argus.

 

You can. Aim at the feet. Leg shot - torso shot - headshot. Voila. 

Incisor does the same you know. 

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:57

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AQ pls l2tripleheadshot with Argus/Incisor.

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 08:59

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You used the wrong mods on the Argus. Argus without stability mod is going to suck but with it is almost as good as the Valkyrie. It is the same thing as not using a piercing mod on projectile weapons or not using smart choke on Crusader and Reegar Carbine even though these mods work great on most weapons but there are always exceptions and Argus and stability mod go together just like Claymore and smart choke do.

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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 09:00

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zero. you are right

the argus is terrible.
the only way id ever use it if i was on pc so i could mod it.
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