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M-55 Argus vs N7 Valkyrie on a Human Soldier with no accuracy or stability mods


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JiM_13 wrote...

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All you really need is the Stability Mod and a general understanding of how to compensate for recoil during a 3 round burst.


IMO, this wepon was designed to be fired from hard cover. Agreed that the weapon stability mod is all you need.


Hard cover works well too, but I didn't really feel like getting into a debate with people who think using it on Gold is impossible =P

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Barrage upgrade means - no warfare package, no donut capacity V, no geth scanner, no pure weapons damage or extra shields or lolAC. That's a monster loss right there. 

And Argus needs the stability mod to have a similar grouping of a Valkyrie without one. 


All you really need is the Stability Mod and a general understanding of how to compensate for recoil during a 3 round burst.

Needing a single mod doesn't suddenly send a gun from decent to garbage, though.

 

I was shooting walls, that don't move or shoot back or rush you or stagger you mid burst. There were no teamates to shake my screen or to make enemies do unexpected movement like dodging, flinching, flipping, charging and so on. 

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With your arguments the Raider is complete shit too then I guess.

Obviously, no.

I have no trouble with the recoil on the Raider (again, no Stability mods or equipments). I can land the 3 shots (off host) on the heads of 3 different enemies if I wish to.

This is because the Raider fires only 1 shot at a time, and when and where you aim it when you pull the trigger.

Unlike the Argus who barks out 3 shots at once without your permission like a rabid canine.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 26 septembre 2013 - 09:47 .


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Cyonan wrote...

JiM_13 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...
All you really need is the Stability Mod and a general understanding of how to compensate for recoil during a 3 round burst.


IMO, this wepon was designed to be fired from hard cover. Agreed that the weapon stability mod is all you need.


Hard cover works well too, but I didn't really feel like getting into a debate with people who think using it on Gold is impossible =P


I use it on gold, so no need for a debate here.

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Cyonan wrote...

All you really need is the Stability Mod and a general understanding of how to compensate for recoil during a 3 round burst.

This.
If I can get the second and third shots from a incisor to be headshots, by using just the TSent's 55% recoil passives, on xbox, while scoped,  then doing the same with the argus and the AR stability mods 70% recoil control should'nt pose a big problem for anyone, especialy if they hipfire.

Hell. I can even use the incisor with no recoil control if I have to, since I've learned to play off host.

Aim the first round at the throat, heart, or balls, depending on range, then push the crosshairs down after the first shot.  Simple.

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I was shooting walls, that don't move or shoot back or rush you or stagger you mid burst. There were no teamates to shake my screen or to make enemies do unexpected movement like dodging, flinching, flipping, charging and so on. 

So you are saying you suck?:whistle:

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Element 0 wrote...

I was shooting walls, that don't move or shoot back or rush you or stagger you mid burst. There were no teamates to shake my screen or to make enemies do unexpected movement like dodging, flinching, flipping, charging and so on.


The entire video did not consist of you shooting walls.

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Argus with stability mod and scope makes this weapon have minimal recoil at best, you can easily control the aim and recoil to allow you to land all 3 shots on the face. Slap it on a TSab and you get extra stability from passives and double stagger from sabotage allows you to easily and reliably kill mooks with headshots at any range.

I'm not seeing a problem with the argus at all!

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Also come to think about it

C-Sec is like Citadel Police and S.W.A.T. right? And they are adopting Argus as their standard rifle? WTF are they thinking? What if they were told to go and shoot up the joint, say Chora's Den or something really densely populated? Unless the whole C-Sec are Marksman Turians who have calibrated their Arguse's to perfection (and we know that's not true) than the result would be like this: 

"We gotta a suspected over here, he's on the run, take him out, but do not kill him!" 

"Roger that!"

 Argus burst to the legs. Leg shot, torso shot, BOOM HEADSHOT!

"Uhhh, suspect is down, I repeat the suspect is down and we have a good reason to believe he's not getting back up, cos his head was blown clean off" 

"God fkn dammit! Can't you people deal with the situation without killing something?"

"I'm sorry sir, it's this new rifle - the Argus. It has monster recoil. Can we please get our Vindicators back?"  

Modifié par Element 0, 26 septembre 2013 - 10:05 .


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Element 0 wrote...

People were asking for videos and proof.

You got it.

Now we can lock it down.


"people" ?
I find it hard to belive more than one person wanted proof of any of this

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Cyonan wrote...

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I was shooting walls, that don't move or shoot back or rush you or stagger you mid burst. There were no teamates to shake my screen or to make enemies do unexpected movement like dodging, flinching, flipping, charging and so on.


The entire video did not consist of you shooting walls.

 

It was bronze. Gold and up would be very different. 

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Element 0 wrote...

 Also come to think about it

C-Sec is like Citadel Police and S.W.A.T. right? And they are adopting Argus as their standard rifle? WTF are they thinking? What if they were told to go and shoot up the joint, say Chora's Den or something really densely populated? Unless the whole C-Sec are Marksman Turians who have calibrated their Arguse's to perfection (and we know that's not true) than the result would be like this: 

"We gotta a suspected over here, he's on the run, take him out, but do not kill him!" 

"Roger that!"

 Argus burst to the legs. Leg shot, torso shot, BOOM HEADSHOT!

"Uhhh, suspect is is down, I repeat the suspect is down and we have a good reason to believe he's not getting back up, cos his head was blown clean off" 

"God fkn dammit! Can't you people deal with the situation without killing something?"

"I'm sorry sir, it's this new rifle - the Argus. It has monster recoil. Can we please get our Vindicators back?"  




Pfft, Real SWAT uses pepper spray and angry shouting.

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Since the other thread got locked, we will have to make this one get to 50 pages.

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I like getting reminders of why I stopped caring about this game.

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Ledgend1221 wrote...

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 Also come to think about it

C-Sec is like Citadel Police and S.W.A.T. right? And they are adopting Argus as their standard rifle? WTF are they thinking? What if they were told to go and shoot up the joint, say Chora's Den or something really densely populated? Unless the whole C-Sec are Marksman Turians who have calibrated their Arguse's to perfection (and we know that's not true) than the result would be like this: 

"We gotta a suspected over here, he's on the run, take him out, but do not kill him!" 

"Roger that!"

 Argus burst to the legs. Leg shot, torso shot, BOOM HEADSHOT!

"Uhhh, suspect is is down, I repeat the suspect is down and we have a good reason to believe he's not getting back up, cos his head was blown clean off" 

"God fkn dammit! Can't you people deal with the situation without killing something?"

"I'm sorry sir, it's this new rifle - the Argus. It has monster recoil. Can we please get our Vindicators back?"  




Pfft, Real SWAT uses pepper spray and angry shouting.

 

Like this? 

youtu.be/MbMxQlKXFDM

:lol::o

Modifié par Element 0, 26 septembre 2013 - 10:03 .


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Element 0 wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

 Also come to think about it

C-Sec is like Citadel Police and S.W.A.T. right? And they are adopting Argus as their standard rifle? WTF are they thinking? What if they were told to go and shoot up the joint, say Chora's Den or something really densely populated? Unless the whole C-Sec are Marksman Turians who have calibrated their Arguse's to perfection (and we know that's not true) than the result would be like this: 

"We gotta a suspected over here, he's on the run, take him out, but do not kill him!" 

"Roger that!"

 Argus burst to the legs. Leg shot, torso shot, BOOM HEADSHOT!

"Uhhh, suspect is is down, I repeat the suspect is down and we have a good reason to believe he's not getting back up, cos his head was blown clean off" 

"God fkn dammit! Can't you people deal with the situation without killing something?"

"I'm sorry sir, it's this new rifle - the Argus. It has monster recoil. Can we please get our Vindicators back?"  




Pfft, Real SWAT uses pepper spray and angry shouting.

 

Like this? 

youtu.be/MbMxQlKXFDM

:lol::o

Exactly.

*Runs into 4 players while equipped with M4, dies*
*Runs into 4 players while equipped with PEPPER SPRAY!, Four arressts*

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capn233 wrote...

Since the other thread got locked, we will have to make this one get to 50 pages.


Shouldn't be too hard.

As a whole, the BSN has been at this for around a full week now.

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Is it a safe bet that "senior C-Sec officers" are "Turian Veterans?"

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Element 0 wrote...
"God fkn dammit! Can't you people deal with the situation without killing something?" 

"I'm sorry sir, it's this new rifle - the Argus. It has monster recoil. Can we please get our Vindicators back?"  

vindicator deffinetly wouldn't have killed the target:O

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Cyonan wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Since the other thread got locked, we will have to make this one get to 50 pages.


Shouldn't be too hard.

As a whole, the BSN has been at this for around a full week now.


did y'all get tired of arguing about infiltrators or which player created mod was the best or something

or cirlcejerking about consoles

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UnknownMercenary wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

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Since the other thread got locked, we will have to make this one get to 50 pages.


Shouldn't be too hard.

As a whole, the BSN has been at this for around a full week now.


did y'all get tired of arguing about infiltrators or which player created mod was the best or something

or cirlcejerking about consoles


As best as I can tell, somebody made a thread about how the Argus wasn't half bad and the usual "lolitsgarbage" and "lolyourjustbad" arguments got thrown around.

Only we made about 4 more threads about it and it just refuses to die.

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capn233 wrote...

Is it a safe bet that "senior C-Sec officers" are "Turian Veterans?"

 

Bailey? Fkn HARKIN? 

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Bailey? Fkn HARKIN?

Harkin wasn't a senior officer most likely.  And he was kicked out by ME2.

C-Sec is still mostly Turian officers, even by ME3.

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Element 0 wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Is it a safe bet that "senior C-Sec officers" are "Turian Veterans?"

 

Bailey? Fkn HARKIN? 


Garrus mofo Vakarian???

"Garrus Vakarian is a turian, formerly part of C-Sec's
Investigation Division. Like most turians, Garrus had his military
training at fifteen, but later followed in his father's footsteps to
become a C-Sec officer."

And the father of Garrus.

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capn233 wrote...

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Bailey? Fkn HARKIN?

Harkin wasn't a senior officer most likely.  And he was kicked out by ME2.

C-Sec is still mostly Turian officers, even by ME3.

 

Harkin was one of the first Humans in C-Sec and had a career there for 20 years. If 20 years don't make you a senior - I dunno then.