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[Akir388]

^ Exactly what I do when I bring the Talon on my Shadow.

[Lucky]

IMO electric slash's animation is too slow for ES to be worth using, even if you've spec'd into it. Simply cloaking and shooting everything would be more effective and faster. That is why I like taking SS, though I use heavy melee as much as SS and the Crusader more than either (at least on plat).

SS is nice for mobility, shield drain and OHKing phantoms (which I can still do even without martial artist or a strength enhancer, leaving me free to max weapon damage and movement speed).

[Akir388]

rlucht wrote...

SS is nice for mobility, shield drain and OHKing phantoms (which I can still do even without martial artist or a strength enhancer, leaving me free to max weapon damage and movement speed).

Wait, what? I cannot OHK Phantoms if I skip out on any of the Melee buffs.

Edit - Or maybe I can? Honestly haven't tried not using a Strength Enhancer or Martial artist.

Modifié par Akire, 27 septembre 2013 - 05:30 .

[mybudgee]

^ electric sword

[bondiboy]

mybudgee wrote...

^ electric sword

Electric or fire sword ?..this  has cost me a few respec cards and I am still not sure which is best

[Tokenusername]

stricko wrote...

mybudgee wrote...

^ electric sword

Electric or fire sword ?..this  has cost me a few respec cards and I am still not sure which is best

Zap for mooks, burn for bosses.

[Salarian Jesus]

OP, WHAT THE FUCK

[Lucky]

Akire wrote...

rlucht wrote...

SS is nice for mobility, shield drain and OHKing phantoms (which I can still do even without martial artist or a strength enhancer, leaving me free to max weapon damage and movement speed).

Wait, what? I cannot OHK Phantoms if I skip out on any of the Melee buffs.

Edit - Or maybe I can? Honestly haven't tried not using a Strength Enhancer or Martial artist.

Here's my build: http://narida.pytalh...serkerPackage5/

It won't kill a plat phantom instantly, but if you cloak first and then SS it will leave her with about 2 bars of health and the DOT will finish her while you run away laughing

Only time I've seen it not OHK phantoms is when I happen to land the SS mid flip when they're dodging another player's stuff.

Modifié par rlucht, 27 septembre 2013 - 06:36 .

[Crimson Vanguard]

You can't have sushi without seafood.

[koschwarz74]

One can skip SS on the Shadow. It is OK. BUT. Why the hell would one do that? Only she has this awesome power. Without SS she is just an Average Joe. I mean, Jane.

[Akir388]

Ohhh, yes the DOT evo on Shadow Strike which I also pick. See, I don't really count DOT as OHK (One Hit Kill). With the build I prefer playing you kill her instantly.

[mybudgee]

^ Meh. Details...

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

PsychoticBiotic wrote...

I mostly use SS for it's utility: getting around the map, restoring shields, positioning myself behind enemies, etc. I'd never skip it but you have to know when and when not to use it.  

Same here. I don't bother with an omni blade either.

[Leland Gaunt]

Slap a Reegar on a kit an skip every power.
That's the real hipster way.

[Deerber]

JUst put 3 in the Slash, and 5 in either passives or fitness. Equip a good sniper, and do what infiltrators do best: snipe. Use SS to relocate and/or refill shields and/or kill enemies that would not go down in 1 hit of the sniper.

[DisturbedPsic0]

I don't find my Shadow Strike build suicidal. In fact, I use her when I just want to cruise through a game without having to be in try hard mode. I like your idea about the venom and Electric Slash, but I personally don't like that style. The animation is very long and she's no tank, so if you do it in the wrong place you're kind of screwed. Plus, I tend to care a little more about my teammates (even if they are pugs) so I tend not to use screen shake powers, especially if someone is sniping.

She's one of the few characters that has a realistic and useful melee build, so I use her for that. You could always put the venom on the Human Adept and shockwave and get the same effect, but shockwave is a much faster animation. My rule is if a character has a unique ability, don't skip it and don't gimp it (ES isn't that unique). Don't be a jack of all trades, master of none when it comes to unique powers.

[koschwarz74]

DisturbedPsic0 wrote...



She's one of the few characters that has a realistic and useful melee build, so I use her for that. You could always put the venom on the Human Adept and shockwave and get the same effect, but shockwave is a much faster animation. My rule is if a character has a unique ability, don't skip it and don't gimp it (ES isn't that unique). Don't be a jack of all trades, master of none when it comes to unique powers.

this.

SS shouldn't be suicidal at all. A bad Shadow build IS suicidal.

[LemurFromTheId]

DisturbedPsic0 wrote...

She's one of the few characters that has a realistic and useful melee build, so I use her for that.

Realistic... as in a magic sword?

[Red Panda]

DisturbedPsic0 wrote...

I don't find my Shadow Strike build suicidal. In fact, I use her when I just want to cruise through a game without having to be in try hard mode. I like your idea about the venom and Electric Slash, but I personally don't like that style. The animation is very long and she's no tank, so if you do it in the wrong place you're kind of screwed. Plus, I tend to care a little more about my teammates (even if they are pugs) so I tend not to use screen shake powers, especially if someone is sniping.

She's one of the few characters that has a realistic and useful melee build, so I use her for that. You could always put the venom on the Human Adept and shockwave and get the same effect, but shockwave is a much faster animation. My rule is if a character has a unique ability, don't skip it and don't gimp it (ES isn't that unique). Don't be a jack of all trades, master of none when it comes to unique powers.

But it's a jack of all trades DPS build. Wouldn't you rather have a teammate that kills things rather than a lazy one that shadow strikes a few mooks here and there?


It's not that I'm saying to skip it entirely.

I'm saying 4 ranks is enough for teleporting and lower mooks.

Modifié par OperatingWookie, 27 septembre 2013 - 01:03 .

[DisturbedPsic0]

OperatingWookie wrote...

DisturbedPsic0 wrote...

I don't find my Shadow Strike build suicidal. In fact, I use her when I just want to cruise through a game without having to be in try hard mode. I like your idea about the venom and Electric Slash, but I personally don't like that style. The animation is very long and she's no tank, so if you do it in the wrong place you're kind of screwed. Plus, I tend to care a little more about my teammates (even if they are pugs) so I tend not to use screen shake powers, especially if someone is sniping.

She's one of the few characters that has a realistic and useful melee build, so I use her for that. You could always put the venom on the Human Adept and shockwave and get the same effect, but shockwave is a much faster animation. My rule is if a character has a unique ability, don't skip it and don't gimp it (ES isn't that unique). Don't be a jack of all trades, master of none when it comes to unique powers.

But it's a jack of all trades DPS build. Wouldn't you rather have a teammate that kills things rather than a lazy one that shadow strikes a few mooks here and there?


It's not that I'm saying to skip it entirely.

I'm saying 4 ranks is enough for teleporting and lower mooks.

Shadow Strike fully specced does more damage than Eletric Slash fully specced. The best way to beat any game is to kill all the mooks, since they die faster. Lets say a Nemesis is worth 1k, and an Atlas is work 2.5k. I can kill 3 Nemesis faster than I can kill the Atlas. I don't shake my teammates screen while doing Shadow Strike either. Strap on the Reegar or Pirahna (with OmniBlade) for bosses when you have to take them on, and also to shoot mooks when you're in between cooldowns. She can top any leaderboard against any faction. She may struggle to Shadow Strike the later waves against Reapers, but shooting armor is more effective than Electric Slash anyway.

Hey, keep in mind you can use your build if you find it fun. But the title says that it would be better to skip Shadow Strike, which severely gimps the only class that can use it. I just don't understand skipping a unique power.  Also, I found that a lot of people that don't like Shadow Strike just haven't been schooled enough on how to use it (if you don't know the ins and outs of how to use it, it can be very frustrating), but when you know how to move and when to use it, it's devastating. Using it to move around the map and destroy mooks (anything move that can one hit a phantom is aces in my book) is much more fun than Electric Slashing through a wall.

Modifié par DisturbedPsic0, 27 septembre 2013 - 01:16 .

[k1ngl1ves]

IamZAE wrote...

OP, why not? it see,s like you have an idea, a weapon to compensate and justification to not spec into SS, but if i was you i would spec into both power evolutiions for passives for juicy ES damage...

anyone tells you that you HAVE to spec into SS can go get bent

Wow!  I actually agree with you!


I may need to lie down for a bit...

[Deerber]

DisturbedPsic0 wrote...

She can top any leaderboard against any faction.

LOLno! 

[Red Panda]

DisturbedPsic0 wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

DisturbedPsic0 wrote...

I don't find my Shadow Strike build suicidal. In fact, I use her when I just want to cruise through a game without having to be in try hard mode. I like your idea about the venom and Electric Slash, but I personally don't like that style. The animation is very long and she's no tank, so if you do it in the wrong place you're kind of screwed. Plus, I tend to care a little more about my teammates (even if they are pugs) so I tend not to use screen shake powers, especially if someone is sniping.

She's one of the few characters that has a realistic and useful melee build, so I use her for that. You could always put the venom on the Human Adept and shockwave and get the same effect, but shockwave is a much faster animation. My rule is if a character has a unique ability, don't skip it and don't gimp it (ES isn't that unique). Don't be a jack of all trades, master of none when it comes to unique powers.

But it's a jack of all trades DPS build. Wouldn't you rather have a teammate that kills things rather than a lazy one that shadow strikes a few mooks here and there?


It's not that I'm saying to skip it entirely.

I'm saying 4 ranks is enough for teleporting and lower mooks.

Shadow Strike fully specced does more damage than Eletric Slash fully specced. The best way to beat any game is to kill all the mooks, since they die faster. Lets say a Nemesis is worth 1k, and an Atlas is work 2.5k. I can kill 3 Nemesis faster than I can kill the Atlas. I don't shake my teammates screen while doing Shadow Strike either. Strap on the Reegar or Pirahna (with OmniBlade) for bosses when you have to take them on, and also to shoot mooks when you're in between cooldowns. She can top any leaderboard against any faction. She may struggle to Shadow Strike the later waves against Reapers, but shooting armor is more effective than Electric Slash anyway.

Hey, keep in mind you can use your build if you find it fun. But the title says that it would be better to skip Shadow Strike, which severely gimps the only class that can use it. I just don't understand skipping a unique power.  Also, I found that a lot of people that don't like Shadow Strike just haven't been schooled enough on how to use it (if you don't know the ins and outs of how to use it, it can be very frustrating), but when you know how to move and when to use it, it's devastating. Using it to move around the map and destroy mooks (anything move that can one hit a phantom is aces in my book) is much more fun than Electric Slashing through a wall.

Slash is more of an acolyte, if anything.


Cloak, slash, three headshots.

Three dead mooks.

All in one cycle.


Shadow strike would require 2-3 cycles depending on your spec.


Therefore, I heartily disagree.

[DisturbedPsic0]

OperatingWookie wrote...


Slash is more of an acolyte, if anything.


Cloak, slash, three headshots.

Three dead mooks.

All in one cycle.


Shadow strike would require 2-3 cycles depending on your spec.


Therefore, I heartily disagree.

Which is fine. But Shadow Strike breaks shield gate, so it doesn't matter if they have shields. I can take them out just as fast with 2 Shadow Strikes (without breaking cloak), and then shoot the last mook without taking any fire.  Again, it's all preference. Other kits can do the same thing with the Acolyte, but no one else can Shadow Strike.