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[cap and gown]

First, does BW have any stats on how many players killed Mordin in order to prevent a cure? (How does BW gather these stats anyway?)

Second, do you think Garrus suspects the truth? He just gave me this long look as I walked off like there were gears turning in his head, putting the pieces together.

[wolfhowwl]

You can confess to him later, he sounds like he had put the pieces together...



From what I remember, Javik also figures it for himself and congratulates you, saying no one can ever again question your resolve.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 28 septembre 2013 - 03:11 .

[Jukaga]

That is one of my favorite scenes in the game, it has a DS9 'By the Pale Moonlight' episode feel to it.

I love the tone of Hale's voice and the look on Shep as she walks away.

'No. He wouldn't.'

It's a burden but if it saves humanity and galactic civilization she can live with it, and would do it again.

The paragon 'the guilt would be tough to live with' is good too, but the blunt finality of the renegade line is superior.

Modifié par Jukaga, 28 septembre 2013 - 03:37 .

[cap and gown]

Jukaga wrote...

That is one of my favorite scenes in the game, it has a DS9 'By the Pale Moonlight' episode feel to it.

Don't recall the episode. (not sure I saw all, or even most, of DS9.)

I really had to think about how I wanted to do this. I knew right from the start that I wanted Wreav in this playthrough, so I had Ash kill Wrex on Virmire. My motivation was a deep suspicion of the Krogan. This led to a problem on Tuchanka, though: what to do with the cure data? If I destroyed it based on my deep suspicion, then I would have the easy way out later on: just persuade Mordin/Wiks to go along. But I didn't want the easy way out, I wanted drama! So how to justify saving the data? Well, in the end Shep decided that data is data, better to have it and not use it than to trash it altogether. So this left the question of what to do with Mordin. I have only seen Wiks one time and I would like to have him again, but that would mean leaving Mordin face down in the dirt on the Collecter Base. A rather inglorious end to a great character. In the end I decided Mordin's death should be a moment of deep tragedy and great heroics. So he survived the Collector Base only to be murdered by Sheppard on Tuchanka.

What really struck me was the total lack of music as we drove away from the Shroud. Unlike all the alternative playthroughs, the "kill Mordin" playthrough has no music at all, just silence as the Shroud collapses.

[David7204]

Yep. Music is an important tool to convey tone.

[cap and gown]

wolfhowwl wrote...

From what I remember, Javik also figures it for himself and congratulates you, saying no one can ever again question your resolve.

You recall correctly. Actually, Javik first talks about how he would have cut a deal with the Salarians. (i.e. he is basically proposing what the Dalatrass proposed.) The next dialogue is the one where he "detects deception" on the part of Shepard and approves.

[Jukaga]

Yep the silence as you drive away from the shroud is crushing. It's powerful and moving and dripping with tragic necessity.

Re. The DS9 episode I mentioned, the key scene is on YouTube, but it is worth watching in its entirety.

[Steelcan]

I will admit the game did a great job of making the player that they just signed the death certificate of an entire species, but it also shows that its more of a brutal necessity than just done for the sake of killing krogan.

[AlexMBrennan]

How does BW gather these stats anyway?

Looks like someone didn't read the license agreement.

[cap and gown]

Crap, now I feel even worse. Bakara just sent me her usual email about "hope for the future." Which would be fine in any other playthrough, but not one where you sabotage the cure! GUILT TRIP!

[Allison_Lightning]

For my solitary Renegade playthrough, I couldn't kill Mordin. I had to destroy the cure in the previous game and have Wreav in charge. That was the only way I could stomach sabotaging the cure as well, is if the krogan actually posed a threat to the galaxy. I've also chickened out of killing Falere for similar reasons. There's for the greater good and then there's just brutality.

[Steelcan]

cap and gown wrote...

Crap, now I feel even worse. Bakara just sent me her usual email about "hope for the future." Which would be fine in any other playthrough, but not one where you sabotage the cure! GUILT TRIP!

If you are going to sabotage the cure, at least make sure Mordin makes it out

[Sir DeLoria]

The shooting Mordin scene is powerful indeed. I could never sabotage the cure though, I always get the happy ending on Tuchanka. The burden of being responsible for the demise of an entire species is too much.

[Reorte]

Necanor wrote...

The shooting Mordin scene is powerful indeed. I could never sabotage the cure though, I always get the happy ending on Tuchanka. The burden of being responsible for the demise of an entire species is too much.

The burden of the cost if the krogan go on the rampage again in the future? Perhaps some day I'll have to do a playthrough with Wreav in charge, although I'm not sure that I like the idea of killing Wrex. Maybe I'll wimp out and start with ME2 for that.

[cap and gown]

Reorte wrote...

Necanor wrote...

The shooting Mordin scene is powerful indeed. I could never sabotage the cure though, I always get the happy ending on Tuchanka. The burden of being responsible for the demise of an entire species is too much.

The burden of the cost if the krogan go on the rampage again in the future? Perhaps some day I'll have to do a playthrough with Wreav in charge, although I'm not sure that I like the idea of killing Wrex. Maybe I'll wimp out and start with ME2 for that.

You could just simply not recruit Wrex in ME1. If you don't recruit him then Wreav ends up in charge.

[FeliciaM]

I have a guilty conscience. Even with video games. I have an extremely hard time making difficult choices, especially when it effects a lot more then just me. And I could never kill Mordin. Or screw Wrex over, and Bakara... she's so open with her resolve. I admired her. Who was I to break their hope? Good story writing for that one, I guess...

Not to mention the turians need their help. The krogans need good publicity. I'm more then willing to give Wrex a shot.

Maybe I'm weak but morally, I can't see myself EVER sabotaging the genophage or killing Mordin. I couldn't do that in real life, either.

[shodiswe]

3.8% shot Mordin..... And yeah.... Garrus seems to have developed a feel for that type of backstabbing.. Part of him is probably upset, another part might be feeling that Mordin wasn't following orders, something Turians are taught commes first. I would guess Garrus is very conflicted about the whole thing.

Modifié par shodiswe, 28 septembre 2013 - 09:51 .

[shodiswe]

cap and gown wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Necanor wrote...

The shooting Mordin scene is powerful indeed. I could never sabotage the cure though, I always get the happy ending on Tuchanka. The burden of being responsible for the demise of an entire species is too much.

The burden of the cost if the krogan go on the rampage again in the future? Perhaps some day I'll have to do a playthrough with Wreav in charge, although I'm not sure that I like the idea of killing Wrex. Maybe I'll wimp out and start with ME2 for that.

You could just simply not recruit Wrex in ME1. If you don't recruit him then Wreav ends up in charge.

Yeah, most people assume Wrex got shot and therefor isn't part of the team in ME3, but the answer might just be he was never recruited. I always keept Wrex in my playthroughs.

It's also funny how Necanor feels bad about killing off the Krogans who killed billions in their crusades and bombarded populated worlds with asteroids to terminate the populations. But has no problems with killing the Geth.
One species needs to be killed for crimes in the past where they were defending themselves but antoher needed to be saved even if they had done similar things and were the "Agressors" who started a war of conquest for the sake of greed.
That's double standard if ever there was one.
I save both the Krogans and the Geth from their unrelenting enemies.

Modifié par shodiswe, 28 septembre 2013 - 09:58 .

[Reorte]

shodiswe wrote...

It's also funny how Necanor feels bad about killing off the Krogans who killed billions in their crusades and bombarded populated worlds with asteroids to terminate the populations. But has no problems with killing the Geth.
One species needs to be killed for crimes in the past where they were defending themselves but antoher needed to be saved even if they had done similar things and were the "Agressors" who started a war of conquest for the sake of greed.
That's double standard if ever there was one.
I save both the Krogans and the Geth from their unrelenting enemies.

Not entirely, I think. The geth were in their infancy and hadn't had any time to develop any understanding of the world. Would they do the same thing again? I get the impression "no" (the quarians dying if Shepard sides with the geth and doesn't make peace isn't the same thing, since they didn't really have any other option then). The krogan, on the other hand, give little reason to believe that they won't revert to their old ways given the chance (I would've liked to outright challenge Wrex on that). Getting Eve pregnant seems to be about the first thing he does after the cure and not controlling their fast breeding was part of the problem. The only hope for the krogan is that there's a codex entry that says that the blood rage was once unusual and krogan who went into it were once regarded as dangerous nutters, so there might be a bit of sanity buried in there somewhere.

[Sir DeLoria]

shodiswe wrote...

It's also funny how Necanor feels bad about killing off the Krogans who killed billions in their crusades and bombarded populated worlds with asteroids to terminate the populations. But has no problems with killing the Geth.
One species needs to be killed for crimes in the past where they were defending themselves but antoher needed to be saved even if they had done similar things and were the "Agressors" who started a war of conquest for the sake of greed.
That's double standard if ever there was one.
I save both the Krogans and the Geth from their unrelenting enemies.

Geth are lifeless machines, nothing more. Also, the Geth that slaughtered millions of innocent civilians in the Morning War are the same ones still roaming the Perseus Veil. The Krogan alive now aren't responsible for what their ancestors did.

And for the love of god, please stop saying "the Geth defended themselves". Butchering millions of infants, children, elderly and civilians in general is not self-defence. Neither is committing complete cultural genocide. The Geth deserve nothing but death, the Krogan don't.

[KaiserShep]

With Wreav in charge, whether or not the krogan deserve to go extinct would no longer be a consideration. I would sabotage the cure without a second thought about it.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 28 septembre 2013 - 11:49 .

[Jukaga]

Necanor wrote...



Geth are lifeless machines, nothing more. Also, the Geth that slaughtered millions of innocent civilians in the Morning War are the same ones still roaming the Perseus Veil. The Krogan alive now aren't responsible for what their ancestors did.

And for the love of god, please stop saying "the Geth defended themselves". Butchering millions of infants, children, elderly and civilians in general is not self-defence. Neither is committing complete cultural genocide. The Geth deserve nothing but death, the Krogan don't.

I prefer to think of it as recycling technology for the Quarians to rebuild with. After all what is not alive cannot be killed, only decommissioned and repurposed.