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[leaguer of one]

TheRedVipress wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Lyrium is only used to control Templars. They don't actually need it to before their abilities.

Wrong. Templars need Lyrium to use their powers.

"It is confirmed that lyrium does have effective benefits for templars, as it builds a resistance to magic in them over time, as well as increasing the effectiveness of their magic abilities, such as being able to shut off a mage's abilities entirely. "
http://dragonage.wik...yrium_addiction

One way or another, no lyrium means no templars.

It's quite clear from the games that you don't *need* Lyrium to perform the templar "arts".
Lyrium may make them better and stronger, but at a heavy price.

Nothing in the game makes that clear at all. You need it to be a templar no matter what. To be a templar or have their power. If you want to be a templar or have there power you need Lyrium. If you are a templar you still need it to function.

[The Hierophant]

The probable inclusion of the Red Temps makes me wonder if there'll be a faction abominations?

[leaguer of one]

Br3ad wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Lyrium is only used to control Templars. They don't actually need it to before their abilities.

Wrong. Templars need Lyrium to use their powers.

"It is confirmed that lyrium does have effective benefits for templars, as it builds a resistance to magic in them over time, as well as increasing the effectiveness of their magic abilities, such as being able to shut off a mage's abilities entirely. "
http://dragonage.wik...yrium_addiction

One way or another, no lyrium means no templars.

See Alistar, see Warden, see Hawke, see Grey Warden Carver. 

Sorry, but the lore is straght on this. No Lurium, you can't be a templar or have there powers. You need on potion a month.  It's that point blank.

[leaguer of one]

Br3ad wrote...

Narrow Margin wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Lyrium is only used to control Templars. They don't actually need it to before their abilities.

It does hint that now and then doesn't it. And assuming it were the case, it does leave the question where those abilities come from, and why the Chantry is keen to slip a lyrium leash on them. Either way there's something odd going on with them already.

I want to say spirits, but I just don't know. 

It's from lyrium if you have not got it yet.

[Br3admax]

Except Alistair comes right out and says that you don't. I trust the Templar more than I do you.

[BlueMagitek]

It was retconned to definitely come from lyrium. Alistar mentions it in one of the comics.

[Xilizhra]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

You still live in that narrow mindset of mages and templars and never look beyond that. who says that the new enemy doesnt know about red lyrium? The fact is that their are lot powerful beings in DA universe  whose motives are not clear to say the least. But what really bothers you is that not mages have ****ed up the world but the templars.

What does the "new enemy" have to do with anything?

I hate the concept of red lyrium. I hate it's powers, I hate it's implications. I hate what is done with it.
And yes, I hate that it basicly turned templars into mages.

Ha!

Anyway, it's all cool. We need the red lyrium in any case, otherwise certain people might try to actually side with them, and we certainly can't have that if we want a coherent story.

[Laughing_Man]

leaguer of one wrote...

Nothing in the game makes that clear at all. You need it to be a templar no matter what. To be a templar or have their power. If you want to be a templar or have there power you need Lyrium. If you are a templar you still need it to function.

That's headcanon, not lore.
In game there are more indications to imply that either you don't need lyrium at all, or that you need very little.
Certainly not enough to make you addicted.

[Br3admax]

BlueMagitek wrote...

It was retconned to definitely come from lyrium. Alistar mentions it in one of the comics.

Weird. Explains why I wouldn't know of it. 

[Xilizhra]

Morocco Mole wrote...

TKavatar wrote...

People are jumping to conclusions without even knowing the story or how it is going to be executed in the first place.

sigh...

People said this when it came to ME3's portrayal of Cerberus.

And that turned out just fine.

[Xilizhra]

Morocco Mole wrote...

And that turned out just fine.

If you're a fan of handwaving everything away with indoctrination and blatantly retconning things to make cannon fodder it turned out fine.

Well, maybe their sudden resource boost wasn't handled that well. I'll give you that.

[leaguer of one]

TheRedVipress wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Nothing in the game makes that clear at all. You need it to be a templar no matter what. To be a templar or have their power. If you want to be a templar or have there power you need Lyrium. If you are a templar you still need it to function.

That's headcanon, not lore.
In game there are more indications to imply that either you don't need lyrium at all, or that you need very little.
Certainly not enough to make you addicted.

No that is lore...
http://dragonage.wik...yrium_addiction

[Hellion Rex]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

You still live in that narrow mindset of mages and templars and never look beyond that. who says that the new enemy doesnt know about red lyrium? The fact is that their are lot powerful beings in DA universe  whose motives are not clear to say the least. But what really bothers you is that not mages have ****ed up the world but the templars.

What does the "new enemy" have to do with anything?

I hate the concept of red lyrium. I hate it's powers, I hate it's implications. I hate what is done with it.
And yes, I hate that it basicly turned templars into mages.

Heaven forbid that they be mages right?:innocent:

[leaguer of one]

Morocco Mole wrote...

And that turned out just fine.

If you're a fan of handwaving everything away with indoctrination and blatantly retconning things to make cannon fodder it turned out fine.

So know one notice many countless super soldier programs that had before ME3?

[Hellion Rex]

My question though is what kind of powers do we ascribe as being "templar" powers, if they are not mage-like? Do we just say that they are "magical", but not necessarily Fade-powered?

[Br3admax]

eluvianix wrote...

My question though is what kind of powers do we ascribe as being "templar" powers, if they are not mage-like? Do we just say that they are "magical", but not necessarily Fade-powered?

Lyrium power is still Fade power though. Lyrium is like crystalized Fade energy. Things like mana clash could be considered a similar templar trait. 

[Hellion Rex]

Br3ad wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

My question though is what kind of powers do we ascribe as being "templar" powers, if they are not mage-like? Do we just say that they are "magical", but not necessarily Fade-powered?

Lyrium power is still Fade power though. Lyrium is like crystalized Fade energy. Things like mana clash could be considered a similar templar trait. 

Good point. So does that mean that mages can also technically exhibit "templar" abilities as well?
Does that just mean that templars use anti-magic magic, all without a connection to the Fade?

[leaguer of one]

Morocco Mole wrote...

So know one notice many countless super soldier programs that had before ME3?

One of the books deals with Cerberus losing most of its resources and being on the run from the Alliance.

Then ME3 happens not long after and now they have an army and enough resources to wage war on the rest of the galaxy.

The books makes it clear it's mostly with in citadel spaces and that it was personnel. They did not lose every thing. They covered the personnel lose with sactuary turning people in slaves and new recuits.  They still had what ever resource they stashed in terminus space. Added, cerberus in ME3 were doing organized hit and run fights with the galexy at their weakest and fighting the reapers. Note that cerberus fell like a house of card in one organized attack on their main base.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 29 septembre 2013 - 12:12 .

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

My question though is what kind of powers do we ascribe as being "templar" powers, if they are not mage-like? Do we just say that they are "magical", but not necessarily Fade-powered?

Lyrium power is still Fade power though. Lyrium is like crystalized Fade energy. Things like mana clash could be considered a similar templar trait. 

Good point. So does that mean that mages can also technically exhibit "templar" abilities as well?
Does that just mean that templars use anti-magic magic, all without a connection to the Fade?

This is call spirit magic with mages. This is an entire branch of magic.

[Hellion Rex]

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

My question though is what kind of powers do we ascribe as being "templar" powers, if they are not mage-like? Do we just say that they are "magical", but not necessarily Fade-powered?

Lyrium power is still Fade power though. Lyrium is like crystalized Fade energy. Things like mana clash could be considered a similar templar trait. 

Good point. So does that mean that mages can also technically exhibit "templar" abilities as well?
Does that just mean that templars use anti-magic magic, all without a connection to the Fade?

This is call spirit magic with mages. This is an entire branch of magic.

I am aware of that, but what is the distinction between what mages can do with that school and what templars are capable of? Why couldn't a mage reverse a templars abilities like the templars do to mages?

Modifié par eluvianix, 29 septembre 2013 - 12:16 .

[Br3admax]

Templars are magic resistant.

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

My question though is what kind of powers do we ascribe as being "templar" powers, if they are not mage-like? Do we just say that they are "magical", but not necessarily Fade-powered?

Lyrium power is still Fade power though. Lyrium is like crystalized Fade energy. Things like mana clash could be considered a similar templar trait. 

Good point. So does that mean that mages can also technically exhibit "templar" abilities as well?
Does that just mean that templars use anti-magic magic, all without a connection to the Fade?

This is call spirit magic with mages. This is an entire branch of magic.

I am aware of that, but what is the distinction between what mages can do with that school and what templars are capable of? Why couldn't a mage reverse a templars abilities like the templars do to mages?

1. Mages need on out side power to do it.
2.Mages  can do way more damage with it.
3. They can do more things with it even drain other mages power to them selves.

There need to be a way to fuel it. Mages us magic. It clear templars use lyrium. Even Fenries lyrium powers work similer to tempar powers.