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[leaguer of one]

Br3ad wrote...

Templars are magic resistant.

Except with magic that use force.

[badboy64]

Br3ad wrote...

Templars are magic resistant.

So are dwarves too but to a certain extent just like templars are.:innocent:

[ScarMK]

leaguer of one wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Templars are magic resistant.

Except with magic that use force.

Lore wise, those templars would completely cancel out a mages magic barring blood magic.  No mana, no force magic.

[Laughing_Man]

Hmm... one thing is for sure, it's very hard to argue about the lore, if the lore is broken to begin with.
Oh well.

[Versus Omnibus]

Red Lyrium being used to power Templars and having negative physical effects is fine with me. Said Lyrium also causing the users to go mad is not fine with me.

[Laughing_Man]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Red Lyrium being used to power Templars and having negative physical effects is fine with me. Said Lyrium also causing the users to go mad is not fine with me.

Hmm... after the events of DA2 it's kinda too late for that.
Although, I could see some templars trying to refine red lyrium in order to get rid of it's madness inducing elements.

[Versus Omnibus]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Red Lyrium being used to power Templars and having negative physical effects is fine with me. Said Lyrium also causing the users to go mad is not fine with me.

Hmm... after the events of DA2 it's kinda too late for that.
Although, I could see some templars trying to refine red lyrium in order to get rid of it's madness inducing elements.

Yeah, I know. If the Lyrium made the users more savage and monsterous overtime I would be okay with that too. But, sadly, we'll have to stand another "negative influence on opposing forces" shtick again.

[BlueMagitek]

Well, normal lyrium ingestion slowly makes you lose your mind over a lifetime, according to DA:O, so red lyrium doing something similar isn't out of the picture.

I'm surprised it happens so fast though.

[Br3admax]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Well, normal lyrium ingestion slowly makes you lose your mind over a lifetime, according to DA:O, so red lyrium doing something similar isn't out of the picture.

I'm surprised it happens so fast though.

Red is the color of evil. Red is also the color of the Sith Empire and the lightsabers of its Dark Jedi. Therefore, Red lyrium is sith lyrium, red lyrium is evil lyrium, and it makes you crazy. Duh. 
 

[BlueMagitek]

Red is the color of blood and therefore life.

Come at me bro. ;P

[Br3admax]

Life is evil.

[BlueMagitek]

Deep.

[Vit246]

The crime is life. The sentence is death.

[Br3admax]

So really, in DA:I, we're the villain. I thought it was strange how Hawke kept getting everyone close to him killed and was still called a hero. Far out, man.

[leaguer of one]

Vit246 wrote...

The crime is life. The sentence is death.

Some may question your right to destroy ten billion people. Those who understand realise that you have no right to let them live![/i]

[Laughing_Man]

leaguer of one wrote...

Vit246 wrote...

The crime is life. The sentence is death.

Some may question your right to destroy ten billion people. Those who understand realise that you have no right to let them live![/i]

W40K morality's only purpose is to cause people to dream at night about actualy living in that universe,
and to awake screaming...

(did the ****s win ww2 in the W40K universe?... because that would actually make sense...)

Modifié par TheRedVipress, 29 septembre 2013 - 02:58 .

[Vicious]

lol at the ME3 discussion, though I can see the similarities between Red Lyrium and Indoctrination.

Anyway it seems to me that Red Lyrium attracts spirits like crazy (Bartrand's haunted house, the profane, when the Idol kicked into overdrive and started animating EVERYTHING around Meredith) and of course the 'whispers' everyone can't stop hearing when around it.

personally, I don't see what the problem is people have with that. It's been well established that Fade spirits are alien as hell and exposure to them can range from possession to insanity to both... and they are really really obssessed with the physical world.

Maybe it wasn't a big deal prior to DA2 but the Inquisition is made to fight Demons, period. If you want thoughtful or realistic villains like Loghain, hey, I do too, but that's not gonna be the game's primary focus.

Modifié par Vicious, 29 septembre 2013 - 04:50 .

[Dave of Canada]

TheRedVipress wrote...

W40K morality's only purpose is to cause people to dream at night about actualy living in that universe,
and to awake screaming...

Screams of pleasure.

[Laughing_Man]

Dave of Canada wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

W40K morality's only purpose is to cause people to dream at night about actualy living in that universe,
and to awake screaming...

Screams of pleasure.

Only if you are a follower of Slaanesh... And even then, pleasure can very quickly be replaced by pain...

[Cainhurst Crow]

Vicious wrote...

lol at the ME3 discussion, though I can see the similarities between Red Lyrium and Indoctrination.

Anyway it seems to me that Red Lyrium attracts spirits like crazy (Bartrand's haunted house, the profane, when the Idol kicked into overdrive and started animating EVERYTHING around Meredith) and of course the 'whispers' everyone can't stop hearing when around it.

personally, I don't see what the problem is people have with that. It's been well established that Fade spirits are alien as hell and exposure to them can range from possession to insanity to both... and they are really really obssessed with the physical world.

Maybe it wasn't a big deal prior to DA2 but the Inquisition is made to fight Demons, period. If you want thoughtful or realistic villains like Loghain, hey, I do too, but that's not gonna be the game's primary focus.

Or will it? What if we need to fight the dead as well.

Emporer Reville vs Loghain Mac Tir, Who shall win?

[In Exile]

Vicious wrote...

lol at the ME3 discussion, though I can see the similarities between Red Lyrium and Indoctrination.

Anyway it seems to me that Red Lyrium attracts spirits like crazy (Bartrand's haunted house, the profane, when the Idol kicked into overdrive and started animating EVERYTHING around Meredith) and of course the 'whispers' everyone can't stop hearing when around it.

Lyrium apparently sings, at least according to Justice. Non-Fade denizens just can't hear it. And the call of the old gods was called a song at times as well (by the Mother, mostly). 

It might be that whatever makes red lyrium red also lets mortals hear it. 

[deuce985]

billy the squid wrote...

Red Lyrium is a mind numbingly dumb concept and the writing team needs to move away from ideas that they came up with while they were on a bad acid trip. It's a cack handed way of making a villain to fight, make him buckets of crazy and then crowbar in a "thou must" position. It was the same with Cerberus, they went from a shady covert organisation in ME1 to buckets of crazy galactic spanning conquest because of "indoctrination"

Bravo BioWare, bravo.

Since you apparently have access to Bioware's writing team and script...mind sharing it with me? I'd love to read it. I mean, you have it all figured out already so I'm assuming you read what we haven't yet.

Modifié par deuce985, 29 septembre 2013 - 06:52 .

[DKJaigen]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

You still live in that narrow mindset of mages and templars and never look beyond that. who says that the new enemy doesnt know about red lyrium? The fact is that their are lot powerful beings in DA universe  whose motives are not clear to say the least. But what really bothers you is that not mages have ****ed up the world but the templars.

What does the "new enemy" have to do with anything?

I hate the concept of red lyrium. I hate it's powers, I hate it's implications. I hate what is done with it.
And yes, I hate that it basicly turned templars into mages.

You hate it because of your bias. But its not bad writing. this could have happend much earlier . templars are slaves to lyrium the one who controls the lyrium controls the templars. While i did not expect this to happen this is nothing more then bring the many flaws of the templar order to its logical conclusion.

[DKJaigen]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

W40K morality's only purpose is to cause people to dream at night about actualy living in that universe,
and to awake screaming...

Screams of pleasure.

Only if you are a follower of Slaanesh... And even then, pleasure can very quickly be replaced by pain...

Remember that a follower of slaanesh also likes that.

[Cainhurst Crow]

DKJaigen wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

You still live in that narrow mindset of mages and templars and never look beyond that. who says that the new enemy doesnt know about red lyrium? The fact is that their are lot powerful beings in DA universe  whose motives are not clear to say the least. But what really bothers you is that not mages have ****ed up the world but the templars.

What does the "new enemy" have to do with anything?

I hate the concept of red lyrium. I hate it's powers, I hate it's implications. I hate what is done with it.
And yes, I hate that it basicly turned templars into mages.

You hate it because of your bias. But its not bad writing. this could have happend much earlier . templars are slaves to lyrium the one who controls the lyrium controls the templars. While i did not expect this to happen this is nothing more then bring the many flaws of the templar order to its logical conclusion.

I don't think it's logical conclusion is becoming super powered marauders who may or may not turn into giant rock monsters.

More than likely an outside force introduced red lyrium to them, and much like giving an altered version of a drug to a junkie, side effects may vary.

ALso a templar of strong will would probably be able to overcome their addiction to lyrium given enough time, along with those who arne't long time members. That initial steps towards staying clean though is probably quite the ordeal though.