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[MisterJB]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Now I am curious on your thoughts on avatar the last airbender or the legend of korra MisterJB.

That might a bit off-topic, I'll just post it in your page.

And whose to say technological progress is superior to magical progress?

I didn't. But it is acessible to all rather than simply mages.

[Lord Raijin]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

You miss Ander's point.

The blowing up of the Chantry is symbolic. A direct challenge to the Chantry's authority. It's fun, yes, but not done for the purpose of fun.

Any further demolitions would be mostly vandalism.

Of course it will be fun... with the perfect music playing in the background

[iOnlySignIn]

Lord Raijin wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

You miss Ander's point.

The blowing up of the Chantry is symbolic. A direct challenge to the Chantry's authority. It's fun, yes, but not done for the purpose of fun.

Any further demolitions would be mostly vandalism.

Of course it will be fun... with the perfect music playing in the background  

[Lord Raijin]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

That could be the perfect sad ending song for each Chantry that gets blown up.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 28 septembre 2013 - 11:17 .

[Walrider]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Cool, can I completely enslave all mages then?

no because0 you can't enslave slave^_^

That was the must redundantly redundant reply ever.

[iOnlySignIn]

ObiWanJesus wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Cool, can I completely enslave all mages then?

no because0 you can't enslave slave

That was the must redundantly redundant reply ever.

I think TheKomandorShepard is calling Necanor slave.

"No, because you can't enslave, slave."

[BlueMagitek]

LobselVith8 wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

You're allowed to hold an incorrect point of view. ~_^

You already know there's never going to be a consensus between people who support the Chantry controlled Circles, and people who support mage autonomy. That includes the view on the Chantry controlled Circles. I'm partly interested in a Dalish Inquisitor because I think it'll give me a different flavor of story, especially since it wouldn't directly tie me to the Mage-Templar War like a templar or apostate main character would.

It refers to your claim that the Circle == Slavery.  Everyone refutes it.  You can believe otherwise, but that is an incorrect interpretation.

Xilizhra wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

You know Tevinter is also Andrastian, right?

It's
not. It's Imperial. The religions are similar but not identical,
and Andraste is less emphasized in Tevinter, among other things.

It most certainly is.  Just as Eastern Orthodox falls under Christianity along with Western Catholicism.
Differences are allowed, but they go under the same umbrella.

[Br3admax]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

ObiWanJesus wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Cool, can I completely enslave all mages then?

no because0 you can't enslave slave

That was the must redundantly redundant reply ever.

I think TheKomandorShepard is calling Necanor slave.

"No, because you can't enslave, slave."

No he isn't. He's calling mages slaves. That's just the way he speaks, due to whatever reason. 

[LobselVith8]

BlueMagitek wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You already know there's never going to be a consensus between people who support the Chantry controlled Circles, and people who support mage autonomy. That includes the view on the Chantry controlled Circles. I'm partly interested in a Dalish Inquisitor because I think it'll give me a different flavor of story, especially since it wouldn't directly tie me to the Mage-Templar War like a templar or apostate main character would.

It refers to your claim that the Circle == Slavery.  Everyone refutes it.  You can believe otherwise, but that is an incorrect interpretation.

Everyone doesn't refute it, since posters have argued this point in previous threads. It's one of the many debates that have transpired between posters in this community. Which you very well know, since you participated in those debates.

[Hellion Rex]

BlueMagitek wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

You're allowed to hold an incorrect point of view. ~_^

You already know there's never going to be a consensus between people who support the Chantry controlled Circles, and people who support mage autonomy. That includes the view on the Chantry controlled Circles. I'm partly interested in a Dalish Inquisitor because I think it'll give me a different flavor of story, especially since it wouldn't directly tie me to the Mage-Templar War like a templar or apostate main character would.

It refers to your claim that the Circle == Slavery.  Everyone refutes it.  You can believe otherwise, but that is an incorrect interpretation.

That's false. I kind of agree with Lobsel.

[Cainhurst Crow]

MisterJB wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Now I am curious on your thoughts on avatar the last airbender or the legend of korra MisterJB.

That might a bit off-topic, I'll just post it in your page.

And whose to say technological progress is superior to magical progress?

I didn't. But it is acessible to all rather than simply mages.

But its not avaliable to all, just those who can afford to be taught.  It becomes a society based around those with econimic superiority controlling the disenfranchised massess.

Anyway, what if those work more closely to runes? Everyone can use runes, its just their creation that's difficult. 

[WardenWade]

If it may aid the discussion, Mr. Gaider recently posted on his blog about representation of the mage-templar conflict.

Modifié par WardenWade, 29 septembre 2013 - 01:59 .

[BlueMagitek]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Everyone doesn't refute it, since posters have argued this point in previous threads. It's one of the many debates that have transpired between posters in this community. Which you very well know, since you participated in those debates.

I was going to go with "Even the head writer refutes it" but you've already ignored that claim, so I went with something stronger.

And as I have let you known, you are incorrect in your view and only attempt to use emotional manipulation through the word. 

[Plaintiff]

WardenWade wrote...

If it may aid the discussion, Mr. Gaider recently posted on his blog about representation of the mage-templar conflict.

It's interesting, but hardly conclusive.

[Nefla]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

ObiWanJesus wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Cool, can I completely enslave all mages then?

no because0 you can't enslave slave

That was the must redundantly redundant reply ever.

I think TheKomandorShepard is calling Necanor slave.

"No, because you can't enslave, slave."

Overseer Harkun approves!

[Little Princess Peach]

kathic wrote...

Some men just want to see the world burn. I will settle for total mage independence.

I love mages but Total independence is a no no, I think they should stay with the templars.

Hear me out first, Mages should be able to stay with the familes, but they would also have to go to a school to learn how to control the magic, similar to what we have to go through in real life to have an education, then the mages won't feel traped, and have the need to rebell, and you would still have  templars in towns and cities.

[Uccio]

Angrywolves wrote...

Another genocidal player.
It would fun to see how many " you failed, the world was destroyed, game over " he manages to get before he "wises up".
Maybe he doesn't ever wise up and trades in the game out of sheer frustration.
That would be worth a few laughs, lol.

That would be if the game designers go with the idea that Chantry domination= good, free mages = bad. Which would give us preset moral line. Which I hate.

Modifié par Ukki, 29 septembre 2013 - 11:17 .

[Lord Raijin]

WardenWade wrote...

If it may aid the discussion, Mr. Gaider recently posted on his blog about representation of the mage-templar conflict.

Interesting reblog from David. Thanks for sharing

[Lotion Soronarr]

LobselVith8 wrote...
Simply because the elves would be standing on their feet, as opposed to their knees, doesn't make them hostile. And we don't know what kind of agreements or alliances the Inquisitor can forge yet.

"Allow elves to kill and perform geonicide on humans" won't be party of any agreement or alliance.

You mean the leader of an international army who is cementing power across Thedas?

A guy with a small army and a few keeps? You think he can stand agaisnt several nations?

LobselVith8 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
I don't care how you call it. Reclamation, liberation, enlightement, restitution.
No matter what word you use, no matter how you try to paint it, the core underneath it remans black and foul.
An unjustified, unnecessary crime.

I don't see giving the elves one place in all of Thedas where they can be safe and worship the Creators freely as an unjustified act.

Of course you don't...because you can't see past the goal.
You keep repeating it like a mantra, completely ignoring what you have to do to achieve it.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Ukki wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Another genocidal player.
It would fun to see how many " you failed, the world was destroyed, game over " he manages to get before he "wises up".
Maybe he doesn't ever wise up and trades in the game out of sheer frustration.
That would be worth a few laughs, lol.

That would be if the game designers go with the idea that Chantry domination= good, free mages = bad. Which would give us preset moral line. Which I hate.

No, it would be more like "pointlesly killing people and trying to destroy the largest organization in thedas is bound to lead to a cryisis in more way than one - from a humanitarian crysis, political srysis, power vacuum, struggles. In other words, chaos anduntold deaths.

[Wulfram]

WardenWade wrote...

If it may aid the discussion, Mr. Gaider recently posted on his blog about representation of the mage-templar conflict.

What that reads like to me is that he's in the same place as he was when writing DA2 and we'll have "MAGES ARE DANGEROUS" and "TEVINTER IS EVIL BECAUSE MAGES" hammered into us with the same subtlety.

[Aolbain]

That's very terroristy of you.

[dragonflight288]

Lord Raijin wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
The Chantry controlled Circles fit the definition of slavery, which has been brought up time and again in the threads about mages and templars. Regardless of how one views the institution, some characters in Thedas condemn the Circles as slavery, so I don't see why you're acting like this is a point of view limited to posters on BSN. 

The Chantry controlled Circle does not fit the definition of slavery, in fact David Gaider confirmed this. While their not free, their not slaves. Their prisoners of the Chantry.

Mr. Gaider, then what of the Tranquil? They are kept by the Circle, and are the ones who provide the services that maek Circle's money. Do they have choices about what they want to do and do they receive a wage? If they don't, then they are slaves, whether to the Circle itself, or to the templars who oversee it.

Hmm. I don't think a mage player needs to center around how much demons may or may not affect them to get players to finally get it, but rather we could have one or two class-specific side quests, and one of them, if it's true, has a mage player deal with demons in his sleep, and he can make a sarcastic comment like "Sure, I can make a deal with you when I feel like giving up my mind. Would you just leave me alone now?" Or something to make it clear that it's actually a regular occurance.

If that isn't what mages face regularly, but rather, what dreamers do, then why not have a quest, just one, that shows what mages go through. That way, we don't have the game center on it, and it would throw a wrench into the debate.

[Uccio]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Ukki wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Another genocidal player.
It would fun to see how many " you failed, the world was destroyed, game over " he manages to get before he "wises up".
Maybe he doesn't ever wise up and trades in the game out of sheer frustration.
That would be worth a few laughs, lol.

That would be if the game designers go with the idea that Chantry domination= good, free mages = bad. Which would give us preset moral line. Which I hate.

No, it would be more like "pointlesly killing people and trying to destroy the largest organization in thedas is bound to lead to a cryisis in more way than one - from a humanitarian crysis, political srysis, power vacuum, struggles. In other words, chaos anduntold deaths.

If 'pointless' means death for the sake of death. Andraste and her armies didn't mind massive slaughter when they went on and tried to (and succeeded, to a point) overthrow the largest society on Thedas, the Tevinter Imperium. Bodycount or the ensued chaos was not a issue then, so why would it be now? 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Because more are harmed by it then saved.