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[Uccio]

Says who? The andrastian priesthood? Obviously they cling to their power but overthrowing them for something else does not mean that the rising power structure would be worse.

[BlueMagitek]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Hmm. I don't think a mage player needs to center around how much demons may or may not affect them to get players to finally get it, but rather we could have one or two class-specific side quests, and one of them, if it's true, has a mage player deal with demons in his sleep, and he can make a sarcastic comment like "Sure, I can make a deal with you when I feel like giving up my mind. Would you just leave me alone now?" Or something to make it clear that it's actually a regular occurance.

If that isn't what mages face regularly, but rather, what dreamers do, then why not have a quest, just one, that shows what mages go through. That way, we don't have the game center on it, and it would throw a wrench into the debate.

It'd be nice if more and more dreams seemed like reality to the point that the demons were imitating the party members well and could manipulate the mage through them. ~_~

As opposed to trying to fool us with the Fade Background *right there*, have the Black Citadel appear in less likely places.  Maybe a Seeker Emblem was altered to look like one, or something.

[LobselVith8]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Simply because the elves would be standing on  their feet, as opposed to their knees, doesn't make them hostile. And we don't know what kind of agreements or alliances the Inquisitor can forge yet.

"Allow elves to kill and perform geonicide on humans" won't be party of any agreement or alliance. 

It's not genocide for the elves to regain control of the Dales from Orlesian occupation; you're likely thinking about the Right of Annulment instead.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You mean the leader of an international army who is cementing power across Thedas?

A guy with a small army and a few keeps? You think he can stand agaisnt several nations?

The fact that the developers point out that the Inquisition is a growing force that others have to recognize makes me dispute your contention that it's small, especially on a continental level, and who is building ties with rulers and leaders. Also, I doubt Nevarra or Ferelden are going to shed any tears about Orlais becoming weakened, given their recent history.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I don't see giving the elves one place in all of Thedas where they can be safe and worship the Creators freely as an unjustified act. 

Of course you don't...because you can't see past the goal.
You keep repeating it like a mantra, completely ignoring what you have to do to achieve it. 

That sounds more like your support for the Chantry controlled Circles and the Order of Templars, which have brought misery and death to countless lives for generations. 

[ISpeakTheTruth]

My mage Inquisitor wants to keep mages free  from the Chantry and set up a new society that isn't afraid of magic and embraces it. He will not do what Anders did and start to blow up Chantries because they are primarily filled with civilians and priestesses. They aren't responsible for the policy of their religion.

I will kill Templars, I will kill Seekers who disagree with me and I will kill abominations that give all mages a bad name but I will not pave the road to the future of mages in the blood of the innocent.

[Chari]

My pro-Chantry pro-Templars tal-vashoth warrior wants to blow up mages XDWhat the heck am I doing with my life?..

[Plaintiff]

Lord Raijin wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
The Chantry controlled Circles fit the definition of slavery, which has been brought up time and again in the threads about mages and templars. Regardless of how one views the institution, some characters in Thedas condemn the Circles as slavery, so I don't see why you're acting like this is a point of view limited to posters on BSN. 

The Chantry controlled Circle does not fit the definition of slavery, in fact David Gaider confirmed this. While their not free, their not slaves. Their prisoners of the Chantry.

As "confirmations" go, it's extremely weak.

I dunno what definition of 'slavery' David Gaider is using, or what Thedosian law defines 'slavery' as. But under the modern, legal definition of the term, the Chantry-controlled Circle more than qualifies.

[Vilegrim]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Honestly I don't see the point to blowing up Chantries.

Its a powerful message I suppose, but blowing up Templars would be a little more practical...

This, so much this. Though both are acts of terrorism that will never accompish the mage's goals of having people feel sympathetic for them, if that is their goal.

depends on the goal, mine is the destruction of the maker cult. Freeing mages is a side affect, not a goal in it's self.

[Vilegrim]

Necanor wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

The fate of the Mage Rebellion.

no, thats is the fate of all maker cult heresiarchs  and templars, they blaspheme the old gods and deserve nothing but death.

[DarthLaxian]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Thats right. He wants to pick up the work that Anders left behind and contuine blowing up as many chantries as he can possibly can.

I'm sick of tired of saving the world anyways. Let me have some fun by blowing some chantries up.

...and i want to blow you up - does that mean i will be allowed to? - probably not (good for you)

but yeah, i would love the option to let the chantry fall (and maybe help that along)...not necessarily going the Anders-route of blowing up a chantry-building with a lot of innocents inside, but on the whole, yes, please.

greetings LAX

[jaza]

Vilegrim wrote...

Necanor wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

The fate of the Mage Rebellion.

no, thats is the fate of all maker cult heresiarchs  and templars, they blaspheme the old gods and deserve nothing but death.

Wow. It's been awhile since I've seen such a cringe worthy sentence.

Modifié par jaza, 29 septembre 2013 - 04:10 .

[ScarMK]

Vilegrim wrote...

no, thats is the fate of all maker cult heresiarchs  and templars, they blaspheme the old gods and deserve nothing but death.

I can't put my finger on it, but this reminds me of the mentality of a certain real life group.

[Vilegrim]

ScarMK wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

no, thats is the fate of all maker cult heresiarchs  and templars, they blaspheme the old gods and deserve nothing but death.

I can't put my finger on it, but this reminds me of the mentality of a certain real life group.

which is ofc the point.  It is completly opposite to my real life mind set, so a challenge to role play

[Br3admax]

Vilegrim wrote...

Necanor wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

The fate of the Mage Rebellion.

no, thats is the fate of all maker cult heresiarchs  and templars, they blaspheme the old gods and deserve nothing but death.

Yep, that sure does look like a templar burning a few mages. You're right. 

[BlueMagitek]

You do know that, like, four or five old gods are dead anyway, right?

[Vilegrim]

BlueMagitek wrote...

You do know that, like, four or five old gods are dead anyway, right?

Heresy! Their avatars are dead, their spirits have ascended *insert ranting here*

[ScarMK]

BlueMagitek wrote...

You do know that, like, four or five old gods are dead anyway, right?

Obviously we must shower the last 2 or 3 with 5 times the praise and sacrifices.  That's what we do, right?

[Vilegrim]

ScarMK wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

You do know that, like, four or five old gods are dead anyway, right?

Obviously we must shower the last 2 or 3 with 5 times the praise and sacrifices.  That's what we do, right?

save them from the makers agents, who dig them out and drive them mad.

[BlueMagitek]

Well the only group actively trying to help the Old Gods is the Darkspawn, so.... yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. >_____________________>

[TheKomandorShepard]

How my character will resolve that war

[Incantrix]

Ok fellow mages, we don't need to blow up random chantries. We need to hit the base chantry. The divine.

The only way to make change, is to force the unwilling.

[Hazegurl]

MisterJB wrote...

The fate of the Mage Rebellion.

This is what I want to do in the game. To h*ll with saving the world.

[Shadow Fox]

*sigh*This again and isn't posting porn against the rules?

[Cainhurst Crow]

Plaintiff wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
The Chantry controlled Circles fit the definition of slavery, which has been brought up time and again in the threads about mages and templars. Regardless of how one views the institution, some characters in Thedas condemn the Circles as slavery, so I don't see why you're acting like this is a point of view limited to posters on BSN. 

The Chantry controlled Circle does not fit the definition of slavery, in fact David Gaider confirmed this. While their not free, their not slaves. Their prisoners of the Chantry.

As "confirmations" go, it's extremely weak.

I dunno what definition of 'slavery' David Gaider is using, or what Thedosian law defines 'slavery' as. But under the modern, legal definition of the term, the Chantry-controlled Circle more than qualifies.

Well that would apply, if thedas was anything like a modern, legally defined society.

As it stands, power being governed by bloodline and birthright, pure military might, or through mercantile guild bribery is a much more pressing matter than mages being used for the betterment of society.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 29 septembre 2013 - 05:29 .