Incantrix wrote...
Ok fellow mages, we don't need to blow up random chantries. We need to hit the base chantry. The divine.
The only way to make change, is to force the unwilling.
Ukki wrote...
Incantrix wrote...
Ok fellow mages, we don't need to blow up random chantries. We need to hit the base chantry. The divine.
The only way to make change, is to force the unwilling.
With blood magic. It´s like forbidden candy, "do not touch", but of course we will!
Vilegrim wrote...
Necanor wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
The fate of the Mage Rebellion.
no, thats is the fate of all maker cult heresiarchs and templars, they blaspheme the old gods and deserve nothing but death.
DarthLaxian wrote...
but yeah, i would love the option to let the chantry fall (and maybe help that along)...not necessarily going the Anders-route of blowing up a chantry-building with a lot of innocents inside, but on the whole, yes, please.
greetings LAX
Modifié par Reaverwind, 29 septembre 2013 - 05:49 .
That's not really relevant. The point is that people have perfectly legitimate grounds to view the situation as slavery. We're not obliged to take a "Thedosian" perspective, whatever that is. Indeed, since the Thedosian perspective is variable and poorly defined, an outside perspective is the only one we can take with any intellectual honesty.Darth Brotarian wrote...
Well that would apply, if thedas was anything like a modern, legally defined society.
In your opinion, maybe.As it stands, power being governed by bloodline and birthright, pure military might, or through mercantile guild bribery is a much more pressing matter than mages being used for the betterment of society.
Modifié par Plaintiff, 29 septembre 2013 - 06:01 .
Plaintiff wrote...
That's not really relevant. The point is that people have perfectly legitimate grounds to view the situation as slavery. We're not obliged to take a "Thedosian" perspective, whatever that is. Indeed, since the Thedosian perspective is variable and poorly defined, an outside perspective is the only one we can take with any intellectual honesty.Darth Brotarian wrote...
Well that would apply, if thedas was anything like a modern, legally defined society.In your opinion, maybe.As it stands, power being governed by bloodline and birthright, pure military might, or through mercantile guild bribery is a much more pressing matter than mages being used for the betterment of society.
Also, I dispute the claim that mages are being used for the betterment of anything.
Preach it, Darth!Darth Brotarian wrote...
Plaintiff wrote...
That's not really relevant. The point is that people have perfectly legitimate grounds to view the situation as slavery. We're not obliged to take a "Thedosian" perspective, whatever that is. Indeed, since the Thedosian perspective is variable and poorly defined, an outside perspective is the only one we can take with any intellectual honesty.Darth Brotarian wrote...
Well that would apply, if thedas was anything like a modern, legally defined society.In your opinion, maybe.As it stands, power being governed by bloodline and birthright, pure military might, or through mercantile guild bribery is a much more pressing matter than mages being used for the betterment of society.
Also, I dispute the claim that mages are being used for the betterment of anything.
Of course they have legitimate grounds to view it as slavery. People also have legitimate grounds to view it as not being slavery. People even have grounds to view it as a better life than most thedasians, who toil day in and day out in the fields, never get a chance at education, barely make enough coin to sustain themselves and their families, and will die on their same plot of land their fathers did, as their sons shall, and their sons after them.
Everyone has the ability to view every scenario as being whatever they decide it to be, and have enough ability to articulate and argue their point of view as being legitimate, and have enough solid ground beneath them to support it.
Plaintiff wrote...
It's interesting, but hardly conclusive.WardenWade wrote...
If it may aid the discussion, Mr. Gaider recently posted on his blog about representation of the mage-templar conflict.
Modifié par WardenWade, 29 septembre 2013 - 06:55 .
Lord Raijin wrote...
WardenWade wrote...
If it may aid the discussion, Mr. Gaider recently posted on his blog about representation of the mage-templar conflict.
Interesting reblog from David. Thanks for sharing
Hazegurl wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
The fate of the Mage Rebellion.
This is what I want to do in the game. To h*ll with saving the world.
Of course....kill all the mages to fix your problems. <_<MisterJB wrote...
Hazegurl wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
The fate of the Mage Rebellion.
This is what I want to do in the game. To h*ll with saving the world.
But that IS saving the world.
MisterJB wrote...
Hazegurl wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
The fate of the Mage Rebellion.
This is what I want to do in the game. To h*ll with saving the world.
But that IS saving the world.
Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 29 septembre 2013 - 06:49 .
The Grey Wardens and Qunari take issue with that.Darth Brotarian wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
Hazegurl wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
The fate of the Mage Rebellion.
This is what I want to do in the game. To h*ll with saving the world.
But that IS saving the world.
The darkspawn thank you for aiding their cause. Razikale will sing praises in your name as he spreads the taint to every corner of thedas.
It would fix one problem, at least...eluvianix wrote...
Of course....kill all the mages to fix your problems. <_<
BlueMagitek wrote...
Well the only group actively trying to help the Old Gods is the Darkspawn, so.... yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. >_____________________>
And attempting to kill all the mages would certainly bring further rebellion as well.MisterJB wrote...
It would fix one problem, at least...eluvianix wrote...
Of course....kill all the mages to fix your problems. <_<
What exactly do you think should be done with the rebellious ones? Reward them for their behavior? That would only incentive further rebellion.
Vilegrim wrote...
BlueMagitek wrote...
Well the only group actively trying to help the Old Gods is the Darkspawn, so.... yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. >_____________________>
exactly, created by the maker to attack the gods she usrped.
eluvianix wrote...
And attempting to kill all the mages would certainly bring further rebellion as well.MisterJB wrote...
It would fix one problem, at least...eluvianix wrote...
Of course....kill all the mages to fix your problems. <_<
What exactly do you think should be done with the rebellious ones? Reward them for their behavior? That would only incentive further rebellion.
Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
The Grey Wardens and Qunari take issue with that.Darth Brotarian wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
Hazegurl wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
The fate of the Mage Rebellion.
This is what I want to do in the game. To h*ll with saving the world.
But that IS saving the world.
The darkspawn thank you for aiding their cause. Razikale will sing praises in your name as he spreads the taint to every corner of thedas.
They are already rebelling, there is no way of making them more rebellious. What exactly do you think will prevent the next one; making mages remember with dread the previous one or caving in to their demands?eluvianix wrote...
And attempting to kill all the mages would certainly bring further rebellion as well.MisterJB wrote...
It would fix one problem, at least...eluvianix wrote...
Of course....kill all the mages to fix your problems. <_<
What exactly do you think should be done with the rebellious ones? Reward them for their behavior? That would only incentive further rebellion.
MisterJB wrote...
They are already rebelling, there is no way of making them more rebellious. What exactly do you think will prevent the next one; making mages remember with dread the previous one or caving in to their demands?eluvianix wrote...
And attempting to kill all the mages would certainly bring further rebellion as well.MisterJB wrote...
It would fix one problem, at least...eluvianix wrote...
Of course....kill all the mages to fix your problems. <_<
What exactly do you think should be done with the rebellious ones? Reward them for their behavior? That would only incentive further rebellion.
MisterJB wrote...
They are already rebelling, there is no way of making them more rebellious. What exactly do you think will prevent the next one; making mages remember with dread the previous one or caving in to their demands?eluvianix wrote...
And attempting to kill all the mages would certainly bring further rebellion as well.MisterJB wrote...
It would fix one problem, at least...eluvianix wrote...
Of course....kill all the mages to fix your problems. <_<
What exactly do you think should be done with the rebellious ones? Reward them for their behavior? That would only incentive further rebellion.
Darth Brotarian wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
They are already rebelling, there is no way of making them more rebellious. What exactly do you think will prevent the next one; making mages remember with dread the previous one or caving in to their demands?eluvianix wrote...
And attempting to kill all the mages would certainly bring further rebellion as well.MisterJB wrote...
It would fix one problem, at least...eluvianix wrote...
Of course....kill all the mages to fix your problems. <_<
What exactly do you think should be done with the rebellious ones? Reward them for their behavior? That would only incentive further rebellion.
You'll only galvanize the mages to hate you more. History has shown that brutality to break the moral of the more disadvantaged only serves to strengthen their resolve and make them more willing to use immoral tactics against you.
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