Steelcan wrote...
The Catalyst is a Deus ex Machina in both the definition, he shows up out of the blue to solve a problem with a handwave, and the literal latin translation also works, he is a god-analogue coming from a machine.
*sigh*txgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
The Catalyst is a Deus ex Machina in both the definition, he shows up out of the blue to solve a problem with a handwave, and the literal latin translation also works, he is a god-analogue coming from a machine.
Buzzzzzz
WRONG
See my above quote again.
Shepard and the Crucible solves the problem, not the Catalyst.
In fact, in the ending Shepard is the "deus ex machina" to the Catalyst.
txgoldrush wrote...
The ONE line that ABSOLUTELY destroys any notion that the ending is Deus Ex Machina.
"You have altered the variables, the Crucible changed me, created new possibilities, but I can't make them happen".
Steelcan wrote...
*sigh*txgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
The Catalyst is a Deus ex Machina in both the definition, he shows up out of the blue to solve a problem with a handwave, and the literal latin translation also works, he is a god-analogue coming from a machine.
Buzzzzzz
WRONG
See my above quote again.
Shepard and the Crucible solves the problem, not the Catalyst.
In fact, in the ending Shepard is the "deus ex machina" to the Catalyst.
The Catalyst still presents the options, so he is showing us the way out of the impossible situation.
He is solving your problem, he offers you choices to enact to stop the Reapers.txgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
*sigh*txgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
The Catalyst is a Deus ex Machina in both the definition, he shows up out of the blue to solve a problem with a handwave, and the literal latin translation also works, he is a god-analogue coming from a machine.
Buzzzzzz
WRONG
See my above quote again.
Shepard and the Crucible solves the problem, not the Catalyst.
In fact, in the ending Shepard is the "deus ex machina" to the Catalyst.
The Catalyst still presents the options, so he is showing us the way out of the impossible situation.
doesn't mean anything....you are still solving his problem.
Steelcan wrote...
He is solving your problem, he offers you choices to enact to stop the Reapers.txgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
*sigh*txgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
The Catalyst is a Deus ex Machina in both the definition, he shows up out of the blue to solve a problem with a handwave, and the literal latin translation also works, he is a god-analogue coming from a machine.
Buzzzzzz
WRONG
See my above quote again.
Shepard and the Crucible solves the problem, not the Catalyst.
In fact, in the ending Shepard is the "deus ex machina" to the Catalyst.
The Catalyst still presents the options, so he is showing us the way out of the impossible situation.
doesn't mean anything....you are still solving his problem.
that does not mean anything it's nonsense, it's still brokentxgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
He is solving your problem, he offers you choices to enact to stop the Reapers.txgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
*sigh*txgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
The Catalyst is a Deus ex Machina in both the definition, he shows up out of the blue to solve a problem with a handwave, and the literal latin translation also works, he is a god-analogue coming from a machine.
Buzzzzzz
WRONG
See my above quote again.
Shepard and the Crucible solves the problem, not the Catalyst.
In fact, in the ending Shepard is the "deus ex machina" to the Catalyst.
The Catalyst still presents the options, so he is showing us the way out of the impossible situation.
doesn't mean anything....you are still solving his problem.
That doesn't make it deus ex machina, especially when the protagonist does something to get him to do this.
Once again, Catalyst to Shepard
"You have altered the variables".
Modifié par Troxa, 28 septembre 2013 - 10:17 .
Steelcan wrote...
He is clearly a Deus ex Machina. He comes out of the blue to offer a solution to a problem.
Your own ignorance does not change that Tx
Troxa wrote...
that does not mean anything it's nonsense, it's still brokentxgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
He is solving your problem, he offers you choices to enact to stop the Reapers.txgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
*sigh*txgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
The Catalyst is a Deus ex Machina in both the definition, he shows up out of the blue to solve a problem with a handwave, and the literal latin translation also works, he is a god-analogue coming from a machine.
Buzzzzzz
WRONG
See my above quote again.
Shepard and the Crucible solves the problem, not the Catalyst.
In fact, in the ending Shepard is the "deus ex machina" to the Catalyst.
The Catalyst still presents the options, so he is showing us the way out of the impossible situation.
doesn't mean anything....you are still solving his problem.
That doesn't make it deus ex machina, especially when the protagonist does something to get him to do this.
Once again, Catalyst to Shepard
"You have altered the variables".
thay were going with an indoctrinated shep but chsnged at the last minute
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/17156973/2#17164113
he does not fit the lore or the theme
Ieldra2 review on the catalyst
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/16086761/7#17333660
Modifié par txgoldrush, 28 septembre 2013 - 10:27 .
No he wasn't.txgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
He is clearly a Deus ex Machina. He comes out of the blue to offer a solution to a problem.
Your own ignorance does not change that Tx
He only comes out of the blue to you because you failed to see the foreshadowing. He was foreshadowed on Thessia.
That's not his objective. Are you sure you know the story's ideas well? I don't think you do.txgoldrush wrote...
So an entity that decides to fulfill his objective by controlling the destiny of others doesn't fit the theme of the series?
Wow,.
Modifié par Br3ad, 28 septembre 2013 - 10:29 .
Br3ad wrote...
No he wasn't.txgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
He is clearly a Deus ex Machina. He comes out of the blue to offer a solution to a problem.
Your own ignorance does not change that Tx
He only comes out of the blue to you because you failed to see the foreshadowing. He was foreshadowed on Thessia.
Lol, no.txgoldrush wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
No he wasn't.txgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
He is clearly a Deus ex Machina. He comes out of the blue to offer a solution to a problem.
Your own ignorance does not change that Tx
He only comes out of the blue to you because you failed to see the foreshadowing. He was foreshadowed on Thessia.
Shepard asking "WHO IS THE MASTER?" is enough.
The foreshadowing is there.
Br3ad wrote...
That's not his objective. Are you sure you know the story's ideas well? I don't think you do.txgoldrush wrote...
So an entity that decides to fulfill his objective by controlling the destiny of others doesn't fit the theme of the series?
Wow,.
Br3ad wrote...
Lol, no.txgoldrush wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
No he wasn't.txgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
He is clearly a Deus ex Machina. He comes out of the blue to offer a solution to a problem.
Your own ignorance does not change that Tx
He only comes out of the blue to you because you failed to see the foreshadowing. He was foreshadowed on Thessia.
Shepard asking "WHO IS THE MASTER?" is enough.
The foreshadowing is there.
Modifié par txgoldrush, 28 septembre 2013 - 10:32 .
Funny considering that isn't my argument at all. My argument is saying, "Reapers aren't the master," does not forshadow a computer program that harvests life to protect life. That's has to be the dumbest thing I've heard from you yet.txgoldrush wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
Lol, no.txgoldrush wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
No he wasn't.txgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
He is clearly a Deus ex Machina. He comes out of the blue to offer a solution to a problem.
Your own ignorance does not change that Tx
He only comes out of the blue to you because you failed to see the foreshadowing. He was foreshadowed on Thessia.
Shepard asking "WHO IS THE MASTER?" is enough.
The foreshadowing is there.
No, your argument is this....I didn't like the foreshadowing so it never happened
Stop being ignorant.
His objective is not to control the destiny of anything. It is to find an end to the conflict. Destiny is irrelevant.txgoldrush wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
That's not his objective. Are you sure you know the story's ideas well? I don't think you do.txgoldrush wrote...
So an entity that decides to fulfill his objective by controlling the destiny of others doesn't fit the theme of the series?
Wow,.
Wow, you missed what I have said entirely.
Br3ad wrote...
Funny considering that isn't my argument at all. My argument is saying, "Reapers aren't the master," does not forshadow a computer program that harvests life to protect life. That's has to be the dumbest thing I've heard from you yet.txgoldrush wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
Lol, no.txgoldrush wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
No he wasn't.txgoldrush wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
He is clearly a Deus ex Machina. He comes out of the blue to offer a solution to a problem.
Your own ignorance does not change that Tx
He only comes out of the blue to you because you failed to see the foreshadowing. He was foreshadowed on Thessia.
Shepard asking "WHO IS THE MASTER?" is enough.
The foreshadowing is there.
No, your argument is this....I didn't like the foreshadowing so it never happened
Stop being ignorant.
txgoldrush wrote...
Oh, and did you miss the foreshadowing on Rannoch as well.....
LOL
God, anti enders can be ignorant.
Br3ad wrote...
His objective is not to control the destiny of anything. It is to find an end to the conflict. Destiny is irrelevant.txgoldrush wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
That's not his objective. Are you sure you know the story's ideas well? I don't think you do.txgoldrush wrote...
So an entity that decides to fulfill his objective by controlling the destiny of others doesn't fit the theme of the series?
Wow,.
Wow, you missed what I have said entirely.
AresKeith wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
Oh, and did you miss the foreshadowing on Rannoch as well.....
LOL
God, anti enders can be ignorant.
Oh the sweet irony from you
txgoldrush wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
Oh, and did you miss the foreshadowing on Rannoch as well.....
LOL
God, anti enders can be ignorant.
Oh the sweet irony from you
I don't defend the game with elements that aren't there.....but most anti enders criticize the ending based on elements that don't exist or things that aren't true.
Hence, "they don't get it".
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