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[Br3admax]

txgoldrush wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

He is clearly a Deus ex Machina. He comes out of the blue to offer a solution to a problem.

Your own ignorance does not change that Tx

He only comes out of the blue to you because you failed to see the foreshadowing.  He was foreshadowed on Thessia.

No he wasn't. 

Shepard asking "WHO IS THE MASTER?" is enough.

The foreshadowing is there.

Lol, no. 

No, your argument is this....I didn't like the foreshadowing so it never happened

Stop being ignorant.

Funny considering that isn't my argument at all. My argument is saying, "Reapers aren't the master," does not forshadow a computer program that harvests life to protect life. That's has to be the dumbest thing I've heard from you yet.

Oh, and did you miss the foreshadowing on Rannoch as well.....

LOL

God, anti enders can be ignorant.

1. Again, you don't know the meaning of forshadowing.
2. I'm not an anti-ender.

Who's ignorant now? 

[txgoldrush]

AresKeith wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Oh, and did you miss the foreshadowing on Rannoch as well.....

LOL

God, anti enders can be ignorant.

Oh the sweet irony from you

 I don't defend the game with elements that aren't there.....but most anti enders criticize the ending based on elements that don't exist or things that aren't true.

Hence, "they don't get it".

Nope

Than name me one piece of evidence I used to defend the game that was false.....

Because you anti enders attack the game with false or incomplete info all the time.

You really don't get it,

[Ravensword]

txgoldrush wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Oh, and did you miss the foreshadowing on Rannoch as well.....

LOL

God, anti enders can be ignorant.

Oh the sweet irony from you

 I don't defend the game with elements that aren't there.....but most anti enders criticize the ending based on elements that don't exist or things that aren't true.

Hence, "they don't get it".

Lol.

[txgoldrush]

Br3ad wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

He is clearly a Deus ex Machina. He comes out of the blue to offer a solution to a problem.

Your own ignorance does not change that Tx

He only comes out of the blue to you because you failed to see the foreshadowing.  He was foreshadowed on Thessia.

No he wasn't. 

Shepard asking "WHO IS THE MASTER?" is enough.

The foreshadowing is there.

Lol, no. 

No, your argument is this....I didn't like the foreshadowing so it never happened

Stop being ignorant.

Funny considering that isn't my argument at all. My argument is saying, "Reapers aren't the master," does not forshadow a computer program that harvests life to protect life. That's has to be the dumbest thing I've heard from you yet.

Oh, and did you miss the foreshadowing on Rannoch as well.....

LOL

God, anti enders can be ignorant.

1. Again, you don't know the meaning of forshadowing.
2. I'm not an anti-ender.

Who's ignorant now? 

You weren't paying attention to the conversation with that Reaper....why should I respect your opinion?

[AresKeith]

txgoldrush wrote...

Than name me one piece of evidence I used to defend the game that was false.....

Because you anti enders attack the game with false or incomplete info all the time.

You really don't get it,

>implying I attack the game

and generalizing people as anti-enders

oh the ignorance

[txgoldrush]

AresKeith wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Than name me one piece of evidence I used to defend the game that was false.....

Because you anti enders attack the game with false or incomplete info all the time.

You really don't get it,

>implying I attack the game

and generalizing people as anti-enders

oh the ignorance

and you do...

and anti enders don't do the same for pro enders, labeling them as "Bio-drones"?

Wow

[Br3admax]

txgoldrush wrote...

You weren't paying attention to the conversation with that Reaper....why should I respect your opinion?

So the Reapers implying that they have control implys that someone else has control? Yeah, that makes about as much sense as the reason within itself. 

[AresKeith]

txgoldrush wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Than name me one piece of evidence I used to defend the game that was false.....

Because you anti enders attack the game with false or incomplete info all the time.

You really don't get it,

>implying I attack the game

and generalizing people as anti-enders

oh the ignorance

and you do...

and anti enders don't do the same for pro enders, labeling them as "Bio-drones"?

Wow

I wasn't talking about "pro enders", I was mainly talking about you

[Pressedcat]

Steelcan wrote...

He is clearly a Deus ex Machina. He comes out of the blue to offer a solution to a problem.

Your own ignorance does not change that Tx

If the Intelligence was a Deus ex Machina, there would have been no need to build or use the Crucible: at the final moment, just as all hope was lost and the Reapers were on the verge of winning, he simply would have appeared to set the Galaxy to rights, restoring order and peace.

As it is, he appears at the last moment in order to give context to the whole conflict. Functionally he is more similar to a hidden enemy or puppetmaster, but one that in the end we do not have to do battle with and vanquish as one would normally expect.

It is the Crucible that defeats the Reapers (or at least resolves the conflict), and a huge effort is put into building the Crucible throughout the entirity of the game. The Catalyst is simply another part of the Crucible's construction. One can remove the Intelligence entirely from the game, as is done in the MEHEM, and still entirely reasonably (some would argue far more so) achieve victory against the Reapers. The Intelligence is not necessary for the Crucible to work and kill the Reapers, only to offer explanation as to their origins and examine certain themes the writers wanted to broach. If you can simply remove the 'starchild' from the end-game and still defeat the Reapers how can he possibly be a Deus ex Machina.

Also, try not to make personal attacks in your posts. They don't add weight to your arguments, they are just plain rudeness.

Edit: Crucible, Catalyst; I'm forever writing the wrong one in my post. Edited to get it the right way round.

Modifié par Pressedcat, 28 septembre 2013 - 10:55 .

[Ravensword]

txgoldrush wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

He is clearly a Deus ex Machina. He comes out of the blue to offer a solution to a problem.

Your own ignorance does not change that Tx

He only comes out of the blue to you because you failed to see the foreshadowing.  He was foreshadowed on Thessia.

No he wasn't. 

Shepard asking "WHO IS THE MASTER?" is enough.

The foreshadowing is there.

Lol, no. 

No, your argument is this....I didn't like the foreshadowing so it never happened

Stop being ignorant.

Funny considering that isn't my argument at all. My argument is saying, "Reapers aren't the master," does not forshadow a computer program that harvests life to protect life. That's has to be the dumbest thing I've heard from you yet.

Oh, and did you miss the foreshadowing on Rannoch as well.....

LOL

God, anti enders can be ignorant.

1. Again, you don't know the meaning of forshadowing.
2. I'm not an anti-ender.

Who's ignorant now? 

You weren't paying attention to the conversation with that Reaper....why should I respect your opinion?

http://t1.gstatic.co...Hn0hRcBJBg2EwaQ

[KaiserShep]

txgoldrush wrote...

Oh, and did you miss the foreshadowing on Rannoch as well.....

LOL

God, anti enders can be ignorant.

There's nothing foreshadowing the presence of the intelligence on Rannoch; the only thing the destroyer mentions, in any of the dialogue options, is Harbinger. At that point there's no way you could suspect that there was anything other than the reapers running the show, since its insistence about order and chaos and saving organics from themselves does not imply that this isn't the reapers doing this on their own. Leviathan aimed to rectify this somewhat by having it explain their own downfall and the origin of the reapers. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 28 septembre 2013 - 10:57 .

[txgoldrush]

Br3ad wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

You weren't paying attention to the conversation with that Reaper....why should I respect your opinion?

So the Reapers implying that they have control implys that someone else has control? Yeah, that makes about as much sense as the reason within itself. 

You are not getting it

The Rannoch scene foreshadows the motives of the Reapers.
Vendetta on Thessia foreshadows a master.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 28 septembre 2013 - 10:55 .

[txgoldrush]

KaiserShep wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Oh, and did you miss the foreshadowing on Rannoch as well.....

LOL

God, anti enders can be ignorant.

There's nothing foreshadowing the presence of the intelligence on Rannoch; the only thing the destroyer mentions, in any of the dialogue options, is Harbinger. At that point there's no way you could suspect that there was anything other than the reapers running the show. Leviathan aimed to rectify this somewhat by having it explain their own downfall and the origin of the reapers. 

you ar enot getting my argument, the Rannoch Reaper foreshadows the MOTIVES of the Reapers.

[Br3admax]

What you aren't getting is that two event in the same group do not foreshadow to the exact same thing 100% of the time. Especially when they contradict each other.

[txgoldrush]

Br3ad wrote...

What you aren't getting is that two event in the same group do not foreshadow to the exact same thing 100% of the time. Especially when they contradict each other.

But they both foreshadow different aspects of the ending, that's what you are not getting.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 28 septembre 2013 - 11:06 .

[Br3admax]

And Shepard being shot at on Tuchanka foreshadows the beam run scene. And the beginning foreshadows the evac scene.

[Reorte]

Pressedcat wrote...

If the Intelligence was a Deus ex Machina, there would have been no need to build or use the Crucible: at the final moment, just as all hope was lost and the Reapers were on the verge of winning, he simply would have appeared to set the Galaxy to rights, restoring order and peace.

The Crucible plans pretty much do that. The timing isn't quite last-minute but it is "No hope at all, oh look, here's something completely out-of-the-blue with awesome powers that can save us." The Catalyst itself isn't one, it's just a badly thought out dump of dubious exposition.

[txgoldrush]

Br3ad wrote...

And Shepard being shot at on Tuchanka foreshadows the beam run scene. And the beginning foreshadows the evac scene.

Thanks for adding to my case.

The ending of ME3 is foreshadowed all throughout the game.

[AresKeith]

txgoldrush wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

And Shepard being shot at on Tuchanka foreshadows the beam run scene. And the beginning foreshadows the evac scene.

Thanks for adding to my case.

The ending of ME3 is foreshadowed all throughout the game.

Hahahahah

[txgoldrush]

AresKeith wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

And Shepard being shot at on Tuchanka foreshadows the beam run scene. And the beginning foreshadows the evac scene.

Thanks for adding to my case.

The ending of ME3 is foreshadowed all throughout the game.

Hahahahah

Yep, it is.

Facts are facts.

[in it for the lolz]

Starkid is not a Deus ex Machina.

It's a DDM: Deus Derp Machina.

[spirosz]

txgoldrush wrote...

Opinions are opinions.

True. 

[txgoldrush]

spirosz wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Opinions are opinions.

True. 

But facts are facts.

And not every opinion deserves equal respect.

[Br3admax]

txgoldrush wrote...

spirosz wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Opinions are opinions.

True. 

But facts are facts.

And not every opinion deserves equal respect.

Yours being a prime example. 

[dreamgazer]

Can I make a generalization about both "pro-enders" and "anti-enders" still kvetching over the ending?