txgoldrush wrote...
Actually the data packet was a DEM, but here is a case where DEM isn't always bad.
As much as the Vigil sequence was DEM, it was still one of the best scenes in the series and the DEM thematically set up the Crucible.
Games like FFVI and Earthbound had extremely well done Deus Ex Machinas.
Mcfly616 wrote...
The Catalyst solves nothing. In fact, it needs you (the player) to solve it's problem. That qualifies as a DEM? Hmm....
dreamgazer wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
Actually the data packet was a DEM, but here is a case where DEM isn't always bad.
As much as the Vigil sequence was DEM, it was still one of the best scenes in the seriesand the DEM thematically set up the Crucible.
Had to strike through a bit, but I agree with the above.
The conversation with Vigil remains my favorite sequence in the series, the thing that "hooked" me.
Modifié par txgoldrush, 29 septembre 2013 - 02:32 .
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mcfly616 wrote...
The Catalyst solves nothing. In fact, it needs you (the player) to solve it's problem. That qualifies as a DEM? Hmm....
As I recall, it does solve its own problem. It just needs you to implement its solution.
txgoldrush wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mcfly616 wrote...
The Catalyst solves nothing. In fact, it needs you (the player) to solve it's problem. That qualifies as a DEM? Hmm....
As I recall, it does solve its own problem. It just needs you to implement its solution.
No it doesn't, it CAN'T
The Catalyst tells you this.
Sure thing, President Clinton. If you say so.David7204 wrote...
It's not a DEM.
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mcfly616 wrote...
The Catalyst solves nothing. In fact, it needs you (the player) to solve it's problem. That qualifies as a DEM? Hmm....
As I recall, it does solve its own problem. It just needs you to implement its solution.
No it doesn't, it CAN'T
The Catalyst tells you this.
It physically solve the problem itself. But it has theoretically solved the problem. All it needs you to do is jump into a beam.
All it needs from you is to do an action. It solved its problem a long time ago as it says.
rekn2 wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mcfly616 wrote...
The Catalyst solves nothing. In fact, it needs you (the player) to solve it's problem. That qualifies as a DEM? Hmm....
As I recall, it does solve its own problem. It just needs you to implement its solution.
No it doesn't, it CAN'T
The Catalyst tells you this.
It physically solve the problem itself. But it has theoretically solved the problem. All it needs you to do is jump into a beam.
All it needs from you is to do an action. It solved its problem a long time ago as it says.
he says ariables changed or some BS. something happened when shep went up the beam and also when the crucible was lol "inserted" into the citadel
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
rekn2 wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mcfly616 wrote...
The Catalyst solves nothing. In fact, it needs you (the player) to solve it's problem. That qualifies as a DEM? Hmm....
As I recall, it does solve its own problem. It just needs you to implement its solution.
No it doesn't, it CAN'T
The Catalyst tells you this.
It physically solve the problem itself. But it has theoretically solved the problem. All it needs you to do is jump into a beam.
All it needs from you is to do an action. It solved its problem a long time ago as it says.
he says ariables changed or some BS. something happened when shep went up the beam and also when the crucible was lol "inserted" into the citadel
True, but he also knew what the solution to his problem was. He just didn't have the tools for it.
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
rekn2 wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mcfly616 wrote...
The Catalyst solves nothing. In fact, it needs you (the player) to solve it's problem. That qualifies as a DEM? Hmm....
As I recall, it does solve its own problem. It just needs you to implement its solution.
No it doesn't, it CAN'T
The Catalyst tells you this.
It physically solve the problem itself. But it has theoretically solved the problem. All it needs you to do is jump into a beam.
All it needs from you is to do an action. It solved its problem a long time ago as it says.
he says ariables changed or some BS. something happened when shep went up the beam and also when the crucible was lol "inserted" into the citadel
True, but he also knew what the solution to his problem was. He just didn't have the tools for it.
txgoldrush wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mcfly616 wrote...
The Catalyst solves nothing. In fact, it needs you (the player) to solve it's problem. That qualifies as a DEM? Hmm....
As I recall, it does solve its own problem. It just needs you to implement its solution.
No it doesn't, it CAN'T
The Catalyst tells you this.
iakus wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mcfly616 wrote...
The Catalyst solves nothing. In fact, it needs you (the player) to solve it's problem. That qualifies as a DEM? Hmm....
As I recall, it does solve its own problem. It just needs you to implement its solution.
No it doesn't, it CAN'T
The Catalyst tells you this.
That's right. Because the Catalyst can't control the Reapers...
Wait
iakus wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mcfly616 wrote...
The Catalyst solves nothing. In fact, it needs you (the player) to solve it's problem. That qualifies as a DEM? Hmm....
As I recall, it does solve its own problem. It just needs you to implement its solution.
No it doesn't, it CAN'T
The Catalyst tells you this.
That's right. Because the Catalyst can't control the Reapers...
Wait
He has everything but he cant use it. Yeah, Right. Sounds like something Mac Walters could write.. Wait a minute....txgoldrush wrote...
iakus wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mcfly616 wrote...
The Catalyst solves nothing. In fact, it needs you (the player) to solve it's problem. That qualifies as a DEM? Hmm....
As I recall, it does solve its own problem. It just needs you to implement its solution.
No it doesn't, it CAN'T
The Catalyst tells you this.
That's right. Because the Catalyst can't control the Reapers...
Wait
It can't fire the Crucible, he tells you this.
It favors synthesis over the cycle, its ideal choice, more so than the cycle. The Catalyst can't do this. It needs Shepard and the Crucible.
Modifié par Dubozz, 29 septembre 2013 - 05:30 .
Dubozz wrote...
He has everything but he cant use it. Yeah, Right. Sounds like something Mac Walters could write.. Wait a minute....txgoldrush wrote...
iakus wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mcfly616 wrote...
The Catalyst solves nothing. In fact, it needs you (the player) to solve it's problem. That qualifies as a DEM? Hmm....
As I recall, it does solve its own problem. It just needs you to implement its solution.
No it doesn't, it CAN'T
The Catalyst tells you this.
That's right. Because the Catalyst can't control the Reapers...
Wait
It can't fire the Crucible, he tells you this.
It favors synthesis over the cycle, its ideal choice, more so than the cycle. The Catalyst can't do this. It needs Shepard and the Crucible.
Modifié par txgoldrush, 29 septembre 2013 - 05:34 .
So why would he go along with Destroy after telling Shepard that it isn't a solution? The bad guy is just letting us win at that point.Plain and simple.
Yeah, sure, thats why Reapers keep destroying the crucible during the conversation. Because he needs Shepard for synthesis! What a revelation! Plain and Simple! Also Artistic.txgoldrush wrote...
Dubozz wrote...
He has everything but he cant use it. Yeah, Right. Sounds like something Mac Walters could write.. Wait a minute....txgoldrush wrote...
iakus wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mcfly616 wrote...
The Catalyst solves nothing. In fact, it needs you (the player) to solve it's problem. That qualifies as a DEM? Hmm....
As I recall, it does solve its own problem. It just needs you to implement its solution.
No it doesn't, it CAN'T
The Catalyst tells you this.
That's right. Because the Catalyst can't control the Reapers...
Wait
It can't fire the Crucible, he tells you this.
It favors synthesis over the cycle, its ideal choice, more so than the cycle. The Catalyst can't do this. It needs Shepard and the Crucible.
Or its just common sense.
He won't destroy himself.
He is already in control of the Reapers.
But he needs Shepard for synthesis, because he thinks he or she is ready and he needs his or her organic/synthetic makeup.
Plain and simple.
David7204 wrote...
The entire point of the exchange is the Catalyst handing the choice over to Shepard willingly, because he acknowledges that Shepard knows or understands something he doesn't.
Dubozz wrote...
Plot twist: tx is in fact David
/lotsofspeculations
Tron Mega wrote...
David7204 wrote...
The entire point of the exchange is the Catalyst handing the choice over to Shepard willingly, because he acknowledges that Shepard knows or understands something he doesn't.
1) considering ME is a story built around choices, and every one of those choices is set to be black or white, doesnt it seem kindof weird that every shepard is considered "ready" by the catalyst?
2) why does parashep and reneshep both receive the same sort of acknowledgement from the catalyst, considering they are polar opposites.
"bioware logic"
Modifié par txgoldrush, 29 septembre 2013 - 08:45 .
Dubozz wrote...
Yeah, sure, thats why Reapers keep destroying the crucible during the conversation. Because he needs Shepard for synthesis! What a revelation! Plain and Simple! Also Artistic.txgoldrush wrote...
Dubozz wrote...
He has everything but he cant use it. Yeah, Right. Sounds like something Mac Walters could write.. Wait a minute....txgoldrush wrote...
iakus wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mcfly616 wrote...
The Catalyst solves nothing. In fact, it needs you (the player) to solve it's problem. That qualifies as a DEM? Hmm....
As I recall, it does solve its own problem. It just needs you to implement its solution.
No it doesn't, it CAN'T
The Catalyst tells you this.
That's right. Because the Catalyst can't control the Reapers...
Wait
It can't fire the Crucible, he tells you this.
It favors synthesis over the cycle, its ideal choice, more so than the cycle. The Catalyst can't do this. It needs Shepard and the Crucible.
Or its just common sense.
He won't destroy himself.
He is already in control of the Reapers.
But he needs Shepard for synthesis, because he thinks he or she is ready and he needs his or her organic/synthetic makeup.
Plain and simple.
txgoldrush wrote...
Tron Mega wrote...
David7204 wrote...
The entire point of the exchange is the Catalyst handing the choice over to Shepard willingly, because he acknowledges that Shepard knows or understands something he doesn't.
1) considering ME is a story built around choices, and every one of those choices is set to be black or white, doesnt it seem kindof weird that every shepard is considered "ready" by the catalyst?
2) why does parashep and reneshep both receive the same sort of acknowledgement from the catalyst, considering they are polar opposites.
"bioware logic"
1) Shepard is "ready" because he is both an organic and synthetic lifeform at that point in the game, who is proof to him that the organics can take synthetics as part of their life.
2) Because both Paragon and Renegade reject the Reaper plan.....the difference in treatment comes with EMS levels.
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