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[Cainhurst Crow]

For all those who are familiar with a song of ice and fire, you know what I'm talking about.

[Bionuts]

He's Moses.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Patchface is a character who is essentially a court jester for one of the main characters. He was a bright lad when he was younger, but after a accident sank a ship he was on, all the over 100 passengers died, all except patchface, who washed up three days later on the shore, thought to be dead until he came back to life with no memories and a lot less mind left to him.

In multiple instances of the story, the character has been shown giving many nonsensical songs, with a few lyrics in them which stand out. These verses, at first appearing to be the usual gibberish, have all ended up in some way coming true, and playing out in the story. Patchface has essentially, whether through coincidence or supernatural assistance, prophesied major events that have come to pass in later books of the series.

I suspect sandals may end up serving a similar role, albeit in a less cryptic sense. And he already seems to have done so, and shown that he has some form of powerful magic, in dragon age origins and dragon age 2. I just think those abilities may end up being explained or expanded upon in the next game.

[Fredward]

Dunno why but Patchface has always given me at least a vaguely malevolent vibe. Sandal... not so much. As for the oracle quality? Sure why not.

[MakutaDax]

I believe, and sincerely hope, Sandal is simply comic relief. Of course, if this is true, I think he stopped being funny ahead of schedule... Like, after the first five minutes of him being in my camp in Origins. lol

Seriously though, I have nothing major against him, it's just that I don't find him as amazing/endearing as so many others seem to and I would rather not have him do/say anything truly important to my character's story. As far as I'm concerned, he's never done anything too worthy of notice. I never cared enough about him to keep clicking on him until I got his "prophecy" in DA2 and and his whole "not enchantment" in the deep roads I just play off as him having access to a frost bomb or something similar. If he had "powerful magic" I would actually get angry at Bioware, which I've never really done, because Sandal is a dwarf and he should not have magic of any kind beyond enchanting, which I can accept. I understand that Bioware can decide to override their own lore by giving Sandal magic and giving some awesome, story-inspired reason for it, but then I feel like their would just be something wrong with that; like they purposefully took this minor, really unnecessary, totally irritating character and made him magically magical for no reason... But that's just my personal opinion and not worth a bunch really. lol

Also, I think Patchface is a more endearing character than Sandal anyway. So I really wouldn't choose to put them in the same category.

[In Exile]

Nothing is quite as prophetic as "I like enchantment." Foreshadowing many things, like how excited Sandal will be if you let him enchant things.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I find the fact that twice, he's absolutely slaughtered a large force of darkspawn, including an ogre, without so much as a scratch. Once I can just brush off as a last minute gag, but twice? And that creepy thing he says about magic returning?

Somethings up with him, even if it is as minor as having a fade spirit lodged in his brain.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Dunno why but Patchface has always given me at least a vaguely malevolent vibe. Sandal... not so much. As for the oracle quality? Sure why not.

What? how could talking about shadows coming to stay and leading an army under the sea and back possibly be malevolent?

[Cainhurst Crow]

MasterScribe wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I find the fact that twice, he's absolutely slaughtered a large force of darkspawn, including an ogre, without so much as a scratch. Once I can just brush off as a last minute gag, but twice? And that creepy thing he says about magic returning?

Somethings up with him, even if it is as minor as having a fade spirit lodged in his brain.

I have always chalked up the second time and the "prophecy" to Varric, since he was telling the story.

How does varric know these things he was never around for?

[Cainhurst Crow]

MasterScribe wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I find the fact that twice, he's absolutely slaughtered a large force of darkspawn, including an ogre, without so much as a scratch. Once I can just brush off as a last minute gag, but twice? And that creepy thing he says about magic returning?

Somethings up with him, even if it is as minor as having a fade spirit lodged in his brain.

I have always chalked up the second time and the "prophecy" to Varric, since he was telling the story.

How does varric know these things he was never around for?

He doesn't need to know anything about those moments. He embellishes/lies.

Think about this for a moment sir. Think about what it is we see in the game.

Hawke's mother lashing out at them for their siblings death. Hawke decisions in every side mission, even those not brought along for. Hawkes activities with his or her love interest, and their subsuquant banging.

Varric is either more informed than a shadow broker, or he has some sick problems in the imagination department for what needs to be told to his interrogator.

[Fredward]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Dunno why but Patchface has always given me at least a vaguely malevolent vibe. Sandal... not so much. As for the oracle quality? Sure why not.

What? how could talking about shadows coming to stay and leading an army under the sea and back possibly be malevolent?

It's not really his predictions that bother me though. It's him. Like "I am going to brutally murder your family, Stannis. I shall wear your daughter's entrails as a crown." Kinda malevolent. I just read his wiki page and it's probably what Melisandre said about him. Of course she has reason to dislike any other prophetic power so eh.

Know what the real question is though? Do mermaids really exist in aSoIaF?

Modifié par Foopydoopydoo, 29 septembre 2013 - 07:17 .

[Bfler]

I always thought he's only a gag like e.g. Scrat in Ice Age.

Modifié par Bfler, 29 septembre 2013 - 08:42 .

[Dominus]

While not exact, I do see the connection. Hard to say how much of sandal we'll be seeing in DA:I and beyond, but I'd wager that's one way they'll be going with the character. As said above, there's not really a malevolence - more like lovably aloof.

Anyhow, your prediction seems solid. I know, I know, oh, oh ,oh.

I always thought he's only a gag like e.g. Scrat in Ice Age.

Instead of chasing a nut, he became one instead.

Modifié par DominusVita, 29 septembre 2013 - 10:28 .

[Metalspoon60]

I doubt Sandal's a gag he prophescised the plot of DA3...

[Cyberstrike nTo]

MakutaDax wrote...

I believe, and sincerely hope, Sandal is simply comic relief. Of course, if this is true, I think he stopped being funny ahead of schedule... Like, after the first five minutes of him being in my camp in Origins. lol

Seriously though, I have nothing major against him, it's just that I don't find him as amazing/endearing as so many others seem to and I would rather not have him do/say anything truly important to my character's story. As far as I'm concerned, he's never done anything too worthy of notice. I never cared enough about him to keep clicking on him until I got his "prophecy" in DA2 and and his whole "not enchantment" in the deep roads I just play off as him having access to a frost bomb or something similar. If he had "powerful magic" I would actually get angry at Bioware, which I've never really done, because Sandal is a dwarf and he should not have magic of any kind beyond enchanting, which I can accept. I understand that Bioware can decide to override their own lore by giving Sandal magic and giving some awesome, story-inspired reason for it, but then I feel like their would just be something wrong with that; like they purposefully took this minor, really unnecessary, totally irritating character and made him magically magical for no reason... But that's just my personal opinion and not worth a bunch really. lol

Also, I think Patchface is a more endearing character than Sandal anyway. So I really wouldn't choose to put them in the same category.

There are rumors that Sandal is half-dwarf and that his biological father was Aieducen (the dwarf noble's father inDAO) and his mother was a mage (some say human and others say elf) and that would explain his ability to have magic.

The source of this rumor in game was a rumor overheard by Hawke from some crazy carta members in DA2: Legacy which is not exactly the most trustworthy source of info in Thadas.