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[Beerfish]

The Lancer is an excellent weapon. I do not use it on all classes only a few but it really helps their performance.

[Deerber]

Farid-Yoda-N7 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

koschwarz74 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Close to useless.

No. Simply...NO.

Harrier is better on weapon classes, CSMG is better on caster classes.

The only thing it's useful for is if you're tired of using those weapons.

Well by that logic one could make the argument that only the harrier, the CSMG , the hurricane, the javelin, the valient, the BW, the CSR, the arc pistol and the talon are good weapons and all the rest are useless. 

Well, you forgot some and added some that I don't particularly like, but... Yeah, pretty much.

When I say a weapon is "good" I mean that there are classes/builds/situations in which it fits better than anything else. Otherwise it's... Well good for when you get tired of the good stuff.

I do understand that's a somewhat strange and personal definition of good, though.

[ISHYGDDT]

Deerber wrote...

I do understand that's a somewhat strange and personal definition of good, though.

tbh, that's the same as mine.  I think we both separate what are objectively the best weapons in the game from our own personal preferences.

[I Am Robot]

Deerber wrote...

Farid-Yoda-N7 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

koschwarz74 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Close to useless.

No. Simply...NO.

Harrier is better on weapon classes, CSMG is better on caster classes.

The only thing it's useful for is if you're tired of using those weapons.

Well by that logic one could make the argument that only the harrier, the CSMG , the hurricane, the javelin, the valient, the BW, the CSR, the arc pistol and the talon are good weapons and all the rest are useless. 

Well, you forgot some and added some that I don't particularly like, but... Yeah, pretty much.

Yeah lol I forgot the reeger and the valiant. 

[DcIhNaGv3z]

Harrier is overrated. When it has ammo its dps is great, but the time lost in constantly going to ammo boxes makes its overall damage per minute terrible. The Lancer, just like the PPR, allows you to constantly engage the enemy.

[Wizard of Ox]

Farid-Yoda-N7 wrote...

Yeah lol I forgot the reeger and the valiant. 

And Wraith, Claymore, Widow, Venom, PPR, Typhoon…

[I Am Robot]

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

Farid-Yoda-N7 wrote...

Yeah lol I forgot the reeger and the valiant. 

And Wraith, Claymore, Widow, Venom, PPR, Typhoon…

 

 I'd probably agree with all of those except the widow. 

[Beerfish]

DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

Harrier is overrated. When it has ammo its dps is great, but the time lost in constantly going to ammo boxes makes its overall damage per minute terrible. The Lancer, just like the PPR, allows you to constantly engage the enemy.

Totally depends on the class.  Classes such as the batarian with extra ammo and using ammo mods, the harrier is far superior than the lancer.  The harrier is also more accurate than the lancer I find. 

[I Am Robot]

DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

Harrier is overrated. When it has ammo its dps is great, but the time lost in constantly going to ammo boxes makes its overall damage per minute terrible. The Lancer, just like the PPR, allows you to constantly engage the enemy.

Without the spare ammo limitation the harrier would be seriously, seriously OP. 

[Deerber]

DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

Harrier is overrated. When it has ammo its dps is great, but the time lost in constantly going to ammo boxes makes its overall damage per minute terrible. The Lancer, just like the PPR, allows you to constantly engage the enemy.

L2usethermals 

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Deerber wrote...

I do understand that's a somewhat strange and personal definition of good, though.

tbh, that's the same as mine.  I think we both separate what are objectively the best weapons in the game from our own personal preferences.

Yeah, I try to do that :happy:

[DcIhNaGv3z]

Farid-Yoda-N7 wrote...

DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

Harrier is overrated. When it has ammo its dps is great, but the time lost in constantly going to ammo boxes makes its overall damage per minute terrible. The Lancer, just like the PPR, allows you to constantly engage the enemy.

Without the spare ammo limitation the harrier would be seriously, seriously OP. 

Oh, i agree, it would be way OP. Nonetheless, I significantly prefer my Lancer v in platinum over my Harrier X. With the harrier you get a few kills, then need to ammo back up. Time lost running to boxes, time lost waiting at boxes. In my experience, Lancer & PPR generate significantly more points then the Harrier.

[Fortack]

The Avenger Lancer is a common, versatile, military-grade assault rifle manufactured by the Elkoss Combine. It's accurate when fired in short bursts, and deadly when fired on full auto. The modular design and inexpensive components of the Avenger Lancer make it a favorite of military groups and mercenaries alike. The rifle has a reputation for being tough, reliable, easy to use, and easy to upgrade.

No idea why Bioware added the horrible Avenger whilst the Lancer is what that piece of garbage should have been from the starts. UR? LOLWUT!?!

[lightswitch]

Deerber wrote...

koschwarz74 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Close to useless.

No. Simply...NO.

Harrier is better on weapon classes, CSMG is better on caster classes.

The only thing it's useful for is if you're tired of using those weapons.

CSMG has terrible DPS versus shields and health, so...you're wrong.

[Supreme Leech]

DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

Farid-Yoda-N7 wrote...

DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

Harrier is overrated. When it has ammo its dps is great, but the time lost in constantly going to ammo boxes makes its overall damage per minute terrible. The Lancer, just like the PPR, allows you to constantly engage the enemy.

Without the spare ammo limitation the harrier would be seriously, seriously OP. 

Oh, i agree, it would be way OP. Nonetheless, I significantly prefer my Lancer v in platinum over my Harrier X. With the harrier you get a few kills, then need to ammo back up. Time lost running to boxes, time lost waiting at boxes. In my experience, Lancer & PPR generate significantly more points then the Harrier.

I agree with you completely on this, DcIhNaGv3z. Completely agree. I hate the harrier because of how little ammo it has. Great for doing spoeed runs, but that's it. You've hit the nail right on the head there. The stat sheet shows that it does very high damage, but that means absolutely nothing when you consider the ammo. One hundred and thirty six rounds is a joke. It's manageable on Jade/White/Hydra/Rio, but even then I prefer using the lancer.

[lightswitch]

Really the only way the CSMG is better than the Lancer for casters is if you're planning on primarily using an Acolyte. Acolyte is for wusses who refuse to learn to aim. So the Lancer is better.

Also the Lancer has significantly more damage per clip than the CSMG, even against armor.

FWIW the kit I primarly run the Lancer on is the Human Adept where it's basically the standby, although I'll switch it out with the Wraith sometimes.

Modifié par lightswitch, 30 septembre 2013 - 05:07 .

[dragaaan]

i like it. nothing too amazing but quite good. a 10% damage increase would have been nice though

[HungryGyarados]

IT'S GLORIOUS!! Best weapon for my Paladin

[PurpGuy1]

Phaeston > Lancer

[VaultingFrog]

I am still waiting on my lancer to have an opinion on it... Come on people. Chop chop.

[Googleness]

if lancer was still in service we wouldn't need to pick a color we would have just whoped the reapers.

[Beerfish]

lightswitch wrote...

Really the only way the CSMG is better than the Lancer for casters is if you're planning on primarily using an Acolyte. Acolyte is for wusses who refuse to learn to aim. So the Lancer is better.

Also the Lancer has significantly more damage per clip than the CSMG, even against armor.

FWIW the kit I primarly run the Lancer on is the Human Adept where it's basically the standby, although I'll switch it out with the Wraith sometimes.

The CSMG allows you to equip the 30% biotic power enhancer.  That is not insignificant for some classes.

[drmoose00]

i am too lazy to read everything rt now....

the gun works so well with he destroyer. Very stable, and the damage bonuses make it simply...uh...destroy... I run it with APIII or IV

One of the best thing about the setup is that off/on with devastator mode resets the overheated weapon. I run it with the Hawk, which i have found to reliably stagger nearly everything, and it makes phantoms a joke - sure, stand still so I can shoot you, thanks...

[IamZAE]

all this garbage theory talk and no thunderdome duo (kit with typhoon vs same exact kit with lancer) to back up anyones claim....

red john how come its a "FACT" that the typhoon is better then the lancer?
wait can i take a geuss "omg 1200 dps ramp up vs 800 dps typhoon better herpaderpderp" ??

[drmoose00]

i personally find the ramp up, instability, and ammo use of the typhoon to be so annoying as to make me never want to use it...personal preference

and as someone else stated, if you don't have to run to the ammo box every minute, you can do a lot more killing