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[AmRMa]

There seems to be some factions that are split on availability of romance LI's. Some want all races available to all other races- some want restrictions and the same with sexuality. I get both of the arguments.

For restrictions-(race)
- makes LI's choices more realistic and based on their own agency -rather than revolving around player's choices
           -also some pairing seem to be a little ridiculous to some ex. dwarf/qunari
              -ex. in DA:O only a female human noble could marry Alistair and become queen- I thought it enhanced the realism (although first playthrough as a female city elf I was a bit peeved at him)
              -ex. in DA2 Varric not being a romance option and not into humans- totally respected that

For restriction-(sexuality)- again LI's have more agency rather than player sexual
                                                 -ex. Sebastian, Alistair, Morrigan- all straight
                                   -may go against the character's personality or it's not as believable that they would go bisexual
                                                     -ex. more believable for Isabella than Fenris (at least for me)

Against restriction-(race)
             -sense of punishment or unfairness based on favorite race selection or a sense of preference on behalf of another race ex. Human have more options than Dwarves
             -players play in different ways and should have the option

Against restriction-(sexuality)
               -people have different sexualities and should be able to express their choices in a game that allows for gamers choices be they straight, gay, or bisexual
               -again players play different ways and should have the option and shouldn't be limited due to their sexuality not being the "mainstream"

Again I get both arguments but my opinion is that people should have options in the game. I personally think that a dwarf and qunari romance is weird and won't ever do one in the game but if Bioware makes it possible I won't complain- I just won't do it. I am straight and play my characters straight but if they want to make someone bi- even if I don't think it suits the character- I just won't play it that way. If it bothers you just don't play that way but don't hate on someone else's choices or Bioware's inclusive stance because you don't agree with them.

Anyway that's my spiel what are your opinions and please be respectful.

Also love the realism that they are injecting into romance by making your actions effect the relationships of companions or LI's. I think it's better than DA:O here's a present please love me and never mind that thing I did which you hated. 

[Bionuts]

I grow weary of you posters making romance threads, but it is your right.

I'm not that interested in characters that will romance every race, gender, etc. I'd have Elves romancing all races, humans romancing Elves and Qunari, Dwarves romancing Elves and Dwarves.

[Angrywolves]

Really ?
Yes I'll be kind.
Supposedly DAI's romances will involve and preferences .
For example, some party members will, depending on certain factors find your Inquisitor attractive , some may not.
Certain things your Inquisitor does or even says in the game might make your Inquisitor more attractive to some, or might turn others completely off.
That's an example,.
That seems to be the way Bioware is doing it, despite what some players are asking for.

[Angrywolves]

meant to say content.
Since I've been criticized a lot today for complaining about unnecessary thread, one of my enemies in the forum told other players to ignore me, shrugs, I'll hold my peace in this case.
Maybe I feel this OP has a better argument than some of the others today.
So I feel more empathy for them.
Hope that others do.
smiles.

[Battlebloodmage]

Anyone wants to bet that by the second or third page, the whole thread will only be about sexuality?

[Bionuts]

Sexuality is important. Whether you like penis, vagina, or both. It greatly affects your personality, obviously.

It is no coincidence that so many threads here are about sex. It has nothing to do with bored, middle-aged women, or the amount of young boys posting. NOTHING to do with it.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Dat formatting though

[Br3admax]

I get your point, OP, but I bet it would have been just as valid in the other thread about this exact same thing.

[sky_captain]

This crap has been done to death, move along nothing to see here.

[Angrywolves]

Another example,.
Player X is hot for Cassandra.
But player X wants his Inquisitor to be a certain race, sex, have a certain appearance, etc.
Player X designs their Inquisitor and starts playing the game only to find Cassandra keeps rebuffing their advances . Turns out Cassandra isn't attracted to Player Xs Inquisitor or like the movie she's not that into you, she not into the player's Inquisitor .
Ouch.
I expect that will happen to a lot of players until the romance algorithms are all figured out.

[Bionuts]

Angrywolves wrote...

Another example,.
Player X is hot for Cassandra.
But player X wants his Inquisitor to be a certain race, sex, have a certain appearance, etc.
Player X designs their Inquisitor and starts playing the game only to find Cassandra keeps rebuffing their advances . Turns out Cassandra isn't attracted to Player Xs Inquisitor or like the movie she's not that into you, she not into the player's Inquisitor .
Ouch.
I expect that will happen to a lot of players until the romance algorithms are all figured out.

Lettuc hope she has a fetish for Dalish, Elf, Female, Mages

[Versus Omnibus]

[Ziggeh]

I find it really difficult to understand how the possibility of something existing but not actually happening within your game effects the story that was told.

So say the options are all available, but for whatever reason you believe there is a monolithic uniform incompatiblity between certain races. Yet you see a romance that doesn't fit your particular headcanon. You don't follow it, but the fact that it was possible somehow affected your story?

Could you not assume that it was a ui element rather than a part of your characters thought process? How do you combat the dissonance in assuming that all of the available conversations are part of the same character? It just doesn't fit into my head.

[Angrywolves]

Uh yeah right...
rolls eyes.
One more thing, we need romance clues, hints in the game that a potential Li finds your Inquisitor attractive .
No one would want to go two thirds/three fourths through the game before learning that party member we wanted to romance can't be an Li because they're not attracted to our Inquisitor .

[Urazz]

I do hope they don't do the whole player-sexual thing that DA2 had. It was a bit jarring and I find it detracts from the characters because it does shape a character on what they like and don't like I feel.

So I would hope to see some characters that are bisexual, some that or just heterosexual, some that are homosexual, or those that have a preference for a certain race in the game.  Stuff like that does define a character.

Modifié par Urazz, 30 septembre 2013 - 01:51 .

[BlueMagitek]

Wouldn't both sides be satisfied with a "realism" toggle that would re-add the BG2 features?

[metatheurgist]

BlueMagitek wrote...
Wouldn't both sides be satisfied with a "realism" toggle that would re-add the BG2 features?

Really have to get around to making a kitten punt gif.

[Azaron Nightblade]

I personally think that a dwarf and qunari romance is weird and won't ever do one in the game but if Bioware makes it possible I won't complain- I just won't do it. I am straight and play my characters straight but if they want to make someone bi- even if I don't think it suits the character- I just won't play it that way. If it bothers you just don't play that way but don't hate on someone else's choices or Bioware's inclusive stance because you don't agree with them.

That's pretty much how I feel about it.
What someone else does in their playthroughs doesn't affect me, so they are free to do whatever makes them happy as far as I'm concerned.

[Angrywolves]

People hate on the whole idea of romance.
They either hate romances or love them.
Insult each other incessantly and get threads locked.
You want DAI to come out so it will stop.
So players won't keep asking for more content this or I want to be able to do that.
It'll be over, the game will be on the shelves and the request and demand time will be over.

[Br3admax]

No it won't. Romance discussions will never end, People will just start complaining about what they got and what they didn't.

[Former_Fiend]

AmRMa wrote...

There seems to be some factions that are split on availability of romance LI's. Some want all races available to all other races- some want restrictions and the same with sexuality. I get both of the arguments.

For restrictions-(race)
- makes LI's choices more realistic and based on their own agency -rather than revolving around player's choices
           -also some pairing seem to be a little ridiculous to some ex. dwarf/qunari
              -ex. in DA:O only a female human noble could marry Alistair and become queen- I thought it enhanced the realism (although first playthrough as a female city elf I was a bit peeved at him)
              -ex. in DA2 Varric not being a romance option and not into humans- totally respected that

I'm not going to step into the can of worms that is the sexual orientation side of this debate, but I am going to comment on this.

Lets say for the sake of argument we have a human LI who, displaying this agency, only romances other humans.

I make two characters, one, an attractive elf or dwarf, the other- through manipulation of the character creation system- a horribly deformed human. Personality wise they're mostly the same, both easily compatable with the afformentioned LI.

So the LI will be interested in my ugly as hell human, but not my attractive elf, not on any basis of personality, but because one lacks pointy ears. 

I'm not particularly seeing the "realism" in that.

I'm also going to turn the flip side of this coin that the pro-race restriction camp seems to be ignoring; fetishism. Yes, there are people who simply are not interested in one race or another. That is entirely realistic. But, and I would argue that this is indeed more common, there are people who fetishize other races and will only engage in relationships with people they consider "exotic". And yet, I don't see anyone advocating this kind of behavior despite how realistic it may well be.

[Bionuts]

Qunari females would fit my fetish perfectly.

Large Pointy Ears (love big ears)
Muscular
Horns
Muscular
Muscular
Muscular
Muscular

[Eveangaline]

I really don't get the 'realistic' argument. It's not particularly unrealistic that in all of thedas at least 4 people wouldn't automatically disqualify people based on race. Sure you could say there'd be lots of people who would, and that's more than likely true, that hardly means that it's unrealistic that four people wouldn't.

[Blank-Slate-Blues]

Faerunner wrote...
I don't want LI's of a certain race to be unavailable to PC's of a different race, but I definitely would like in-game acknowledgements of coming from different socio/economic/cultural backgrounds, and some in-game indication that the character's individual personality is such that they would not discrimination.

I think acknowledgements to PC/LI differences is honestly a better way to go than restricting the player based on race/sexuality. If anything the only restrictions that should matter, in my opinion, are philosophical and political in nature. Like you could romance Vivienne as a female Kossith but not if you're anti-mage.