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[Sporothrix]

Xilizhra wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

In truth, before it was brought into question in this thread, I never doubted for a minute that it was meant to imply Merrill was attracted to the qunari. It completely fits with her covert pervert personality and, while this may be a stretch, I thought it was a humorous callback to Morrigan's attraction to Sten.

Well, new wondrous lines of thought have now been opened to you. Especially if what Gaider said about playersexuality was ever intended to be truthful.

Upon having carefully considered said new lines of thought, I have decided to retain my original interpretation, on the grounds I find it more amusing.

I just find it annoying, so I'll go with mine.

Fair enough, and to each their own.

In general, if someone is supposedly bisexual but only demonstrates attraction to the other sex outside of romance, it bugs the hell out of me, and DA2 LIs have a perennial problem with this.

It was general problem also in DAO. You could have same sex romance, but that's it, by the whole world you were basically treated as straight and you couldn't say anything about it. Forced into marriage with a man as City Elf girl? You couldn't discuss it in that aspect with your father. Why? Is your character supposed to be bisexual whether you like it or not, or maybe she simply didn't want to discuss her sexuality because it's not tolerant society?
Who knows, it's never taken into consideration. And then, when you come back with Leliana, of course no one asks anything.

But it could be even worse. Like in Mass Effect 3, where male characters got possible speech of coming out as gay, women instead were forced to flirt with Vega (like with Jacob in ME2) whether we liked it or not. Treatment of gay only LI's was different as well. Much of Traynor's development was focused at making her a tease for men (especially in DLC), while female character had speech of respecting Steve's sexuality.

Modifié par misoretu9, 03 octobre 2013 - 05:54 .

[Jaulen]

Well, to be fair, as a City Elf, coming back with anyone doesn't ellicit a response from Shiani.
Heck, even in a straight relationship as a CE, you never get the option to say to Shiani, "yeah, this is my man now" *point to Zevran/Alistair*

It's not like your character was snogging them in public.
(and even with the 'Kiss Me' option, ambient NPCs never responded...and you couldn't be in a convo with an NPC then as a response to them turn around and kiss your LI)

Other than some ambient diologues bewteen party members, and Wynne being a busy body, or the 'jealousy' flag....no one really responded to you and your LI. (at least according to my recolection)

[Blackrising]

Jaulen wrote...

Well, to be fair, as a City Elf, coming back with anyone doesn't ellicit a response from Shiani.
Heck, even in a straight relationship as a CE, you never get the option to say to Shiani, "yeah, this is my man now" *point to Zevran/Alistair*

It's not like your character was snogging them in public.
(and even with the 'Kiss Me' option, ambient NPCs never responded...and you couldn't be in a convo with an NPC then as a response to them turn around and kiss your LI)

Other than some ambient diologues bewteen party members, and Wynne being a busy body, or the 'jealousy' flag....no one really responded to you and your LI. (at least according to my recolection)

Plus, Thedas is really open when it comes to gay relationships.
Hell, Empress Celene is having an affair with her female elven servant and nobody cares that it's a female...their problem is that she's an elf.

City elves are constantly put down due to their race, so I doubt Shiani gives a fu** if your lover is male or female.

As far as the whole 'marriage to a man' thing is concerned...I think an 'I'M GAY DAD' option would have been kinda redundant. You can state that you don't want to be forced to marry him. The reason why is up to the player.
Also, marriage in Thedas is purely political, it would seem. Marriages out of love are apparently rare, so arguing that you're simply not into men/women wouldn't hold much weight I imagine.

Not that I wouldn't welcome more dialouge options to shape my character, but it doesn't bother me one bit. I have never felt like Dragon Age was trying to force my character to be straight outside of romances.

[Potato Cat]

Great, now I miss Shianni!

[Xilizhra]

As far as the whole 'marriage to a man' thing is concerned...I think an 'I'M GAY DAD' option would have been kinda redundant. You can state that you don't want to be forced to marry him. The reason why is up to the player.

I don't think it's redundant; the sentiment expressed can be vastly different. There's also a definite pattern of DAO not recognizing homosexual relationships in party dialogue, which was thankfully remedied in DA2.

[Jaulen]

Party diologue was slightly different in DAO if you were SS. Zev and Shale banter if your Warden was male springs to mind.

But not calling it out like having a companion say "GASP! How COULD you be involved with another woman?" ....since well, Ferelden/Thedas just doesn't seem to care one way or the other sex-wise....but they DO seem to care about racial parings.

[Blackrising]

Xilizhra wrote...

As far as the whole 'marriage to a man' thing is concerned...I think an 'I'M GAY DAD' option would have been kinda redundant. You can state that you don't want to be forced to marry him. The reason why is up to the player.

I don't think it's redundant; the sentiment expressed can be vastly different. There's also a definite pattern of DAO not recognizing homosexual relationships in party dialogue, which was thankfully remedied in DA2.

Did they offer any dialouge option that had a definite reason for not wanting to marry? I admit my memory of that dialouge is pretty rusty since I only played the City Elf origin twice or so.

Can you give me an example of DA:O not recognizing a homosexual relationship? I don't think I ever noticed it...apart from the fact that a gay Warden could not randomly kiss their LI, since only Alistair and Morrigan ever offered that option. <_<

[Shadow Fox]

Elfman wrote...

Great, now I miss Shianni!

Why I never make her Bann.

[Xilizhra]

Blackrising wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

As far as the whole 'marriage to a man' thing is concerned...I think an 'I'M GAY DAD' option would have been kinda redundant. You can state that you don't want to be forced to marry him. The reason why is up to the player.

I don't think it's redundant; the sentiment expressed can be vastly different. There's also a definite pattern of DAO not recognizing homosexual relationships in party dialogue, which was thankfully remedied in DA2.

Did they offer any dialouge option that had a definite reason for not wanting to marry? I admit my memory of that dialouge is pretty rusty since I only played the City Elf origin twice or so.

Can you give me an example of DA:O not recognizing a homosexual relationship? I don't think I ever noticed it...apart from the fact that a gay Warden could not randomly kiss their LI, since only Alistair and Morrigan ever offered that option. <_<

If you romance Leliana, no one in party dialogue will ever mention it, despite a fair few doing so if you're a male who does so. Morrigan acknowledges it in a couple of individual conversations, but that's all.

And no, there weren't any specific reasons given for not wanting to get married, which left that whole sequence feeling unsatisfying.

[Blackrising]

Xilizhra wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

As far as the whole 'marriage to a man' thing is concerned...I think an 'I'M GAY DAD' option would have been kinda redundant. You can state that you don't want to be forced to marry him. The reason why is up to the player.

I don't think it's redundant; the sentiment expressed can be vastly different. There's also a definite pattern of DAO not recognizing homosexual relationships in party dialogue, which was thankfully remedied in DA2.

Did they offer any dialouge option that had a definite reason for not wanting to marry? I admit my memory of that dialouge is pretty rusty since I only played the City Elf origin twice or so.

Can you give me an example of DA:O not recognizing a homosexual relationship? I don't think I ever noticed it...apart from the fact that a gay Warden could not randomly kiss their LI, since only Alistair and Morrigan ever offered that option. <_<

If you romance Leliana, no one in party dialogue will ever mention it, despite a fair few doing so if you're a male who does so. Morrigan acknowledges it in a couple of individual conversations, but that's all.

And no, there weren't any specific reasons given for not wanting to get married, which left that whole sequence feeling unsatisfying.

Hmm, I didn't know that. I simply assumed that a male romancing Leliana didn't get any more reactivity than a female Warden.

Not being able to give specific reasons isn't all that bad. There are tons of reasons why someone would refuse to marry and Bioware could never have anticipated all of those reasons, so they went the general route, I guess. *shrug*

[Former_Fiend]

Xilizhra wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

As far as the whole 'marriage to a man' thing is concerned...I think an 'I'M GAY DAD' option would have been kinda redundant. You can state that you don't want to be forced to marry him. The reason why is up to the player.

I don't think it's redundant; the sentiment expressed can be vastly different. There's also a definite pattern of DAO not recognizing homosexual relationships in party dialogue, which was thankfully remedied in DA2.

Did they offer any dialouge option that had a definite reason for not wanting to marry? I admit my memory of that dialouge is pretty rusty since I only played the City Elf origin twice or so.

Can you give me an example of DA:O not recognizing a homosexual relationship? I don't think I ever noticed it...apart from the fact that a gay Warden could not randomly kiss their LI, since only Alistair and Morrigan ever offered that option. <_<

If you romance Leliana, no one in party dialogue will ever mention it, despite a fair few doing so if you're a male who does so. Morrigan acknowledges it in a couple of individual conversations, but that's all.

And no, there weren't any specific reasons given for not wanting to get married, which left that whole sequence feeling unsatisfying.

Alistair will mention it, though admittedly only if you're also in a romance with him. He comments on how it's "hot" before asking you to choose between them.

[Xilizhra]

Hmm, I didn't know that. I simply assumed that a male romancing Leliana didn't get any more reactivity than a female Warden.

I trawl through the dialogue on the wikis sometimes.

Not being able to give specific reasons isn't all that bad. There are tons of reasons why someone would refuse to marry and Bioware could never have anticipated all of those reasons, so they went the general route, I guess. *shrug*

Maybe, but it does sort of feel like there's not much acknowledgement, sometimes, of one's preferences, though this was more or less alleviated in DA2.

Alistair will mention it, though admittedly only if you're also in a
romance with him. He comments on how it's "hot" before asking you to
choose between them.

I was referring to banter, not confrontations.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 03 octobre 2013 - 10:36 .

[Angrywolves]

I make Shianni bann if I play a city elf of course.
Not sure Alistair and /or Anora help the elves in the Ferelden alienages like they should have.
Wonder if Fiona is really Alistair's mother and if so will he learn it in DAI?
If I recall correctly if your female warden is in a relationship with Leliana, Morrigan will make some catty comments to the warden about it.
Not sure if that's classified as dialogue .
Morrigan was strictly hetero in DAO.
Wonder if she's still the same interacting with Orlesian society or if she has changed her perspective and become bisexual.

[LobselVith8]

Angrywolves wrote...

I make Shianni bann if I play a city elf of course.

All the Elven Bann endings are bad, except for the Elven Warden becoming the new Bann. It ends poorly for Shianni as she gets killed by human bigots.

[Angrywolves]

Yes I found that out.
Expect some humans to mistreat your Inquisitor if he or she is an elf.
Laidlaw has hinted about it.
The supposed Valentine's Day reveal of the other party members ?
Do we know if that's true.