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[Blackrising]

Blank-Slate-Blues wrote...

Faerunner wrote...
I don't want LI's of a certain race to be unavailable to PC's of a different race, but I definitely would like in-game acknowledgements of coming from different socio/economic/cultural backgrounds, and some in-game indication that the character's individual personality is such that they would not discrimination.

I think acknowledgements to PC/LI differences is honestly a better way to go than restricting the player based on race/sexuality. If anything the only restrictions that should matter, in my opinion, are philosophical and political in nature. Like you could romance Vivienne as a female Kossith but not if you're anti-mage.

Yes.
Acknowledging the differences and possible problems is absolutely fine. Consequences are absolutely fine. Making a romance harder to achieve because of race and/or gender is also fine.
But cutting someone off completely because of that? No. Don't do it.

[Todd23]

I believe there should be a little bit of restrictions on romance but most of the realism should come from some romance being more difficult to accomplish based on your character rather than outright impossibru. I will quote a recent post of mine from a similar topic:
"What if an elven warden couldn't romance Leliana until he got her thinking about how she viewed race with her elven servents in Orlais discussion. Being a virgin, what if Merrill only ever considered being with a man, and a femHawke had to go through more work (thus making the payoff sweeter) to romance her."

[Vapaa]

Yay, I was almost out of dead horse glue but BSN is always here to replenish my stock

[Blackrising]

Vapaä wrote...

Yay, I was almost out of dead horse glue but BSN is always here to replenish my stock

Don't you know, the one thing all peeps on the BSN have in common is a fetish for dead horses.

[Former_Fiend]

Blackrising wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

Yay, I was almost out of dead horse glue but BSN is always here to replenish my stock

Don't you know, the one thing all peeps on the BSN have in common is a fetish for dead horses.

Some call it beating a dead horse. I prefer to call it a combination of sadomasochism, necrophilia, and bestiality.

[Blackrising]

Former_Fiend wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

Yay, I was almost out of dead horse glue but BSN is always here to replenish my stock

Don't you know, the one thing all peeps on the BSN have in common is a fetish for dead horses.

Some call it beating a dead horse. I prefer to call it a combination of sadomasochism, necrophilia, and bestiality.

Ohhh, talk dirty to me.

[Chari]

Good points. I'm all for realsic restrictions and difficulties. No fun if you can get a man/woman in your bed without any hard work. And some romance is way too cute and sweet as one-sided or platonic

[Blank-Slate-Blues]

Todd23 wrote...

I believe there should be a little bit of restrictions on romance but most of the realism should come from some romance being more difficult to accomplish based on your character rather than outright impossibru. I will quote a recent post of mine from a similar topic:
"What if an elven warden couldn't romance Leliana until he got her thinking about how she viewed race with her elven servents in Orlais discussion. Being a virgin, what if Merrill only ever considered being with a man, and a femHawke had to go through more work (thus making the payoff sweeter) to romance her."

Something like this would actually be perfect.

[SirGladiator]

I'm all for things that would make the romances more difficult, as they tend to be overly easy. So long as they aren't impossible, as the DA2 system is the best way to go. If someone wants restrictions via race/gender/class/whatever they can impose them on themselves easily enough, it isn't necessary, or fun, to impose them on others who don't want them. But making certain aspects of a player's character cause the romance with a given LI to be a bit more difficult is likely something I'd support, just because I generally support making the romances less easy, it's more fun when you have to actually put in a bit of effort, the same as in most any other aspect of the game.

[Xilizhra]

Todd23 wrote...

I believe there should be a little bit of restrictions on romance but most of the realism should come from some romance being more difficult to accomplish based on your character rather than outright impossibru. I will quote a recent post of mine from a similar topic:
"What if an elven warden couldn't romance Leliana until he got her thinking about how she viewed race with her elven servents in Orlais discussion. Being a virgin, what if Merrill only ever considered being with a man, and a femHawke had to go through more work (thus making the payoff sweeter) to romance her."

What would this "more work" entail?

[Navasha]

Ultimately it comes down to game mechanics. For all the "realism" side of the arguments, that works fine when in "reality" there is a plethora of choices.

In game mechanics we might get 4-5 LI only. So to claim that realistically, not everyone would be interested in the inquisitor is a meaningless argument because "realistically" someone isn't limited to just 4 people to choose from.

When games finally get to a point where you can have 100+ characters to interact with on a emotional level, then I will concede to the "realism" argument that some of them just won't like your character.

When you only get to pick from 2 or 3, then making 1 or 2 of them arbitrarily "off-limits" ends up railroading you into a single character which may or may not have a personality you find attractive.

Maybe the developers could use that whole "realism" argument for the Non-LI characters to explain why they deny your advances. So for example, let's say that Vivenne ends up not being a romanceable character, then she could have a response to your flirtations as "Sorry, but I don't find (enter PC race) that attractive. Move along."

[Angrywolves]

Obviously the horse isn't dead when you keep seeing new online interviews with Gaider, Laidlaw, Darrah and others where the interviewer ask them about DAI and romance comes up and they respond, Gaider seems to explain it better conceptually than the others.
Not a knock on them but when Gaider explains it I find his reasoning easier to follow.
I guess because he can do it when he's not angry, mercurial, or sarcastic .
I read an online article where he explained how the new romance system and enjoyed reading his explanation .
So the horse isn't dead yet.

[Silfren]

Bionuts wrote...

I grow weary of you posters making romance threads, but it is your right.

I'm not that interested in characters that will romance every race, gender, etc. I'd have Elves romancing all races, humans romancing Elves and Qunari, Dwarves romancing Elves and Dwarves.

Why the hell do you come into these threads if you don't like them? That makes no sense at all.  You're not obligated to participate, and it's just bloody stupid to come into a thread to whine about the thread's existence.

[Bionuts]

Silfren wrote...


Why the hell do you come into these threads if you don't like them? That makes no sense at all.  You're not obligated to participate, and it's just bloody stupid to come into a thread to whine about the thread's existence.

You're responding to my post, yes? Yes, you are. Do you like my post? Obviously not.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I'm having a hard time reading the OP, could someone give me a more understandable version?

[Silfren]

Faerunner wrote...

I don't want LI's of a certain race to be unavailable to PC's of a different race, but I definitely would like in-game acknowledgements of coming from different socio/economic/cultural backgrounds, and some in-game indication that the character's individual personality is such that they would not discrimination.

For example, DA:O's Alistair was treated horribly for his half-blood heritage, something he had no control over, so I can see where he would be more open-minded toward elven and dwarven Wardens. Morrigan was completely isolated from human society, so did not grow up with their prejudices, and so paints people of all heritages with the same "You're strange, I don't understand you" brush. ("Why all the touching?" "I don't know, I'm not human." "Do not speak to me of trivialities! Your culture is not so entirely different.") Leliana is Fereldan but was raised in Orlais, and is a "love everyone!" bleeding heart regardless, so it makes sense she doesn't discriminate based on race. (Though her unintentional racist remarks to an Elven Warden was genius!) Zevran? As he said, his job with the Crows required a "certain open-mindedness." Though I do love how he occasionally acknowledges how much it sucks being an elf in human society (like when he tells a Dalish who complains of humans, "Trust me, living with them is not much better.") I do think it's entirely believable that he doesn't discriminate based on race, or even gender, when choosing his bed-fellows.

Like I said, little things like that. I would definitely like little acknowledgements of racial differences, but I don't think it's unrealistic or unbelievable for people of different races to care for each other regardless of social stigmas.

.....Alistair wasn't treated badly for his half-blood heritage.  He was treated badly for being a bastard who potentially threatened the established rule.  Leaving aside the fact that it's not even a given that he is a half-blood, nowhere in the game is that possibility ever even mentioned.  Whether or not it's true, nobody has any reason to even think he is a half-blood.

[Silfren]

Bionuts wrote...

Silfren wrote...


Why the hell do you come into these threads if you don't like them? That makes no sense at all.  You're not obligated to participate, and it's just bloody stupid to come into a thread to whine about the thread's existence.

You're responding to my post, yes? Yes, you are. Do you like my post? Obviously not.

Not even remotely the same thing.  If I see a thread I'm not interested in, I ignore it.  If I see a thread detailing a topic that outright annoys me, I also ignore it. It is the height of stupidity to come into a thread about a topic you hate just to gripe about it/

[Bionuts]

Silfren wrote...



Not even remotely the same thing.  If I see a post I'm not interested in, I ignore it.  If I see a post that outright annoys me, I also ignore it. It is the height of stupidity to reply to a post you hate just to gripe about it/

How it sounds.

[Angrywolves]

Nothing like arguing .
Of course some players find certain threads, threads that are repetitious, threads started by new posters that don't seem to make sense, threads rehashing previously discussed material, some players find those irritating and they snap out a rude response .
I admit to doing that this past weekend and feuding with my BSN critic over it.
I don't always agree with Bionuts, but I've done the same.
Heck his response was mild compared to some of mine.
rotfl.
So let's be cool and not go off the deep end.
I'll dive off the deep end later on after DAI comes out if anyone is interested.
The romances aren't a dead horse when the developers are still talking about them.
I'm still hoping one of them slips up and discloses something prematurely.

[Fardreamer]

They should follow the DA:O design as pretty much everyone agrees. AND leave it open to modders to change things if you really just HAVE to romance someone who's not available to your gender.

[Angrywolves]

May not be any modding immediately after release due to lack of a toolkit.
Someone will find a way to mod the game but it won't be easy or quick.

[Todd23]

Xilizhra wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

I believe there should be a little bit of restrictions on romance but most of the realism should come from some romance being more difficult to accomplish based on your character rather than outright impossibru. I will quote a recent post of mine from a similar topic:
"What if an elven warden couldn't romance Leliana until he got her thinking about how she viewed race with her elven servents in Orlais discussion. Being a virgin, what if Merrill only ever considered being with a man, and a femHawke had to go through more work (thus making the payoff sweeter) to romance her."

What would this "more work" entail?

Something to the effect of more dialogue, like getting her to consider being with another woman, and then going through the experiment stage before the big payoff.