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[Battlebloodmage]

Fardreamer wrote...

They should follow the DA:O design as pretty much everyone agrees. AND leave it open to modders to change things if you really just HAVE to romance someone who's not available to your gender.

Just no, not a fan of Alistair referring to me as a girl or having no voice recording. How about leave it to modders to add in the orientation instead?

[CuriousArtemis]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Fardreamer wrote...

They should follow the DA:O design as pretty much everyone agrees. AND leave it open to modders to change things if you really just HAVE to romance someone who's not available to your gender.

Just no, not a fan of Alistair referring to me as a girl or having no voice recording. How about leave it to modders to add in the orientation instead?

HA! Yes! If it's SUCH a big deal to someone, then just mod the game so [insert character] is only interested in one gender. There you go! 

[Former_Fiend]

Well I said I wouldn't touch on it, but I changed my mind despite my better judgment.

Working under the assumption that there will be 4 LI's(I think 6 would be a better number, but word on the street is 4 right now), I honestly wouldn't have a problem with them all being available to the pc regardless of gender.

I don't see four random people out of nine random people being bisexual as being that unrealistic. Groups that small are rarely indicative of larger statistics and I don't see a reason why they should reflect the larger statistic at any rate.

My only preference would be that the LI's would be more blatantly bisexual with more acknowledgement of that fact. I think that was really where DA2 dropped the ball; if you didn't romance them as a same sex hawke, Fenris, Merrill, and Anders didn't show any interest in the same sex. Avoid that mistake and you'll avoid a lot of people whining.

[Br3admax]

I never saw them as bisexual. I'm still in the camp of people that saw them as player sexual, with their own preferences on the side. They always show affection towards Hawke, regardless of Hawke showing a similar interest or not. Only Sebastion is different in this. And Isabela is Isabela of course.

Modifié par Br3ad, 01 octobre 2013 - 08:56 .

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

Urazz wrote...
So I would hope to see some characters that are bisexual, some that or just heterosexual, some that are homosexual, or those that have a preference for a certain race in the game.  Stuff like that does define a character.

Unfortunately the devs have said many times that exclusively gay LIs are out of the question because the number of people who would choose it would be way too small.  When ME3 came out people where whining that they couldn't romance Traynor as a dude and demanded it to be changed.

Modifié par Red by Full Metal Jacket, 01 octobre 2013 - 09:17 .

[M-Taylor]

Bionuts wrote...

Sexuality is important. Whether you like penis, vagina, or both. It greatly affects your personality, obviously.

It is no coincidence that so many threads here are about sex. It has nothing to do with bored, middle-aged women, or the amount of young boys posting. NOTHING to do with it.

It really doesn't. It's posts like these that continually perpetuate the notion that sexuality = presentation of your gender. It isn't and it's based entirely on social stereotypes.

A guy can like guys without loving pink, glitter, fashion and **** like that. Likewise, a guy can like girls AND like pink, glitter, fashion and **** like that.

Plus, the comment about Fenris not being gay/bisexual made me laugh. He reeked of liking penis to me. He reeked of liking penis so much that I find it hard to romance him on female characters. Gaidar openly stated that Fenris was written for a male Hawke. So yeah, once again he breaks this notion that gay guys have to be flamboyant and gay girls have to be masculine. It isn't true, and it's one of the biggest faults in society which limits peoples own identity.

I mean I have a friend who's a guy, straight and the definition of flamboyant. He loves fashion, openly wears make up and all that crap. Yet he hides it, lies about it and covers it up because 'that's gay'. No, the only thing that makes you gay is liking the same gender, no other interests impact that at all.


And anyway, I liked how DA2 handled romances. To this day, I still don't understand where to hate comes from. It let everyone romance who they wanted to romance without impacting the story or characters personality. If you romanced Anders as a male Hawke, he was homosexual. If you didn't romance him or romanced him as a female Hawke, he was hetreosexual. What's so hard to understand about that? It's the same notion that in one of my Wardens playthrough, he died. I copied the exact same character and did the Dark Ritual, so in that alternative world, he lived.

We're playing a game where they actively encourage you to make seperate worlds based on your character, yet people just can't understand that player-sexual notion, even though it treats everyone fairly and gives everyone the choice they want to make. As a bisexual man, I wanted a male Warden to romance a male character, yet I didn't like Zevran, so I was never allowed to make that choice. DA2 solved that problem, yet people bash it. Absolutely boggles my mind.


pppsss

I'm a bisexual man who likes mechanical eningeering, computer games, rugby and beer. Liking willy has clearly made me into the all frightning, all feared FLAMBOYANT PINK GLITTERY GAY MAN. Right?

Right?

Oh and I should really show my bisexual female friend this thread. You know, the really geeky, shy and socially awkwardly girl. The stereotype for bisexual girls is that they're extroverted ****s right?


... you get my point.

Modifié par M-Taylor, 01 octobre 2013 - 09:43 .

[Former_Fiend]

Br3ad wrote...

I never saw them as bisexual. I'm still in the camp of people that saw them as player sexual, with their own preferences on the side. They always show affection towards Hawke, regardless of Hawke showing a similar interest or not. Only Sebastion is different in this. And Isabela is Isabela of course.

See, first time through playing the game, I didn't think of them as anything but bisexual. It was a while- a long while- before I had even heard there was a controversy over it. And while I get where the "playersexual" perception comes from, I still disagree with it.

[M-Taylor]

Former_Fiend wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

I never saw them as bisexual. I'm still in the camp of people that saw them as player sexual, with their own preferences on the side. They always show affection towards Hawke, regardless of Hawke showing a similar interest or not. Only Sebastion is different in this. And Isabela is Isabela of course.

See, first time through playing the game, I didn't think of them as anything but bisexual. It was a while- a long while- before I had even heard there was a controversy over it. And while I get where the "playersexual" perception comes from, I still disagree with it.

But you just supported player-sexual by saying you never even noticed it. That means it's been done correctly. Without metagaming, you'd never know that Hawke could romance them all.

It's not like they're all hitting on Hawke constantly. I don't understand why choice is considered a bad thing in an RPG.

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

M-Taylor wrote...
Plus, the comment about Fenris not being gay/bisexual made me laugh. He reeked of liking penis to me. He reeked of liking penis so much that I find it hard to romance him on female characters. Gaidar openly stated that Fenris was written for a male Hawke. So yeah, once again he breaks this notion that gay guys have to be flamboyant and gay girls have to be masculine. It isn't true, and it's one of the biggest faults in society which limits peoples own identity.

I agree with what you're saying, but Fenris is not really a good example of the epitome of masculinity.  He's a skinny, brooding elf with a dark past and anime hair.  Not to mention you constantly have to help him out with his issues rather than the other way around.

Edit:  Not to mention every single one of the f/f romances have all been pretty feminine.

Modifié par Red by Full Metal Jacket, 01 octobre 2013 - 10:00 .

[Former_Fiend]

M-Taylor wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

I never saw them as bisexual. I'm still in the camp of people that saw them as player sexual, with their own preferences on the side. They always show affection towards Hawke, regardless of Hawke showing a similar interest or not. Only Sebastion is different in this. And Isabela is Isabela of course.

See, first time through playing the game, I didn't think of them as anything but bisexual. It was a while- a long while- before I had even heard there was a controversy over it. And while I get where the "playersexual" perception comes from, I still disagree with it.

But you just supported player-sexual by saying you never even noticed it. That means it's been done correctly. Without metagaming, you'd never know that Hawke could romance them all.

It's not like they're all hitting on Hawke constantly. I don't understand why choice is considered a bad thing in an RPG.

Which isn't to say I don't think it could have been improved on. All they'd have to do is work in some throwaway dialogue to establish that yes, Fenris likes men as well as women and yes, Merrill is attracted to women as well as men, providing you don't romance either of them. They wouldn't have to put up glowing neon signs like they did with Isabela(not that I have anything against Isabela, mind you) , just work it in subtly and the whole debate would have never happened.

[Shadow Fox]

greengoron89 wrote...

Bioware really needs to make a separate forum for this rubbish. I grow tired of seeing it plastered all over the first page of this one.

*Looks at ME3 romance forum*

[Isaidlunch]

Fardreamer wrote...

They should follow the DA:O design as pretty much everyone agrees. AND leave it open to modders to change things if you really just HAVE to romance someone who's not available to your gender.

No they don't? Who is "everyone"? Even on this forum the opinion is mixed and I'd wager that most people who play the games don't care about it either way.

[Shadow Fox]

greengoron89 wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Bioware really needs to make a separate forum for this rubbish. I grow tired of seeing it plastered all over the first page of this one.

*Looks at ME3 romance forum*

Priestly's not here anymore. Let the -mancers fight it out, or let the mods actually make use of the banhammer.

In that case...*offers popcorn*

[Blackrising]

Kazanth wrote...

Fardreamer wrote...

They should follow the DA:O design as pretty much everyone agrees. AND leave it open to modders to change things if you really just HAVE to romance someone who's not available to your gender.

No they don't? Who is "everyone"? Even on this forum the opinion is mixed and I'd wager that most people who play the games don't care about it either way.

By 'everyone', he meant himself, I imagine.

Honestly, this forum is the only place where I've heard people complain about the player-sexual approach. I have several friends who played the Dragon Age games and they all approved. Heck, they were shocked to discover that some people actually want the Origin method back.
As one of my roommates so eloquently put it: "Why the fu** is it their business what other people do in their game?"

I remember when I first played DA2 and was so damn happy about the new approach to romance. I thought 'Yes! Finally everyone can be happy with their LI and enjoy the romances!'
...And then I stumbled into a romance thread for the first time.

The fact that we're even having these discussions still astounds me.

[Billy-the-Squid]

greengoron89 wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Bioware really needs to make a separate forum for this rubbish. I grow tired of seeing it plastered all over the first page of this one.

*Looks at ME3 romance forum*

Priestly's not here anymore. Let the -mancers fight it out, or let the mods actually make use of the banhammer.

Or let us descend and take control of the threads, like we always do. We do a dirty job, mocking and parodying the asinine romance threads, but someone has to do it, or people actually start to take it seriously.

Modifié par Tequila Cat, 01 octobre 2013 - 10:27 .

[Former_Fiend]

Blackrising wrote...

Kazanth wrote...

Fardreamer wrote...

They should follow the DA:O design as pretty much everyone agrees. AND leave it open to modders to change things if you really just HAVE to romance someone who's not available to your gender.

No they don't? Who is "everyone"? Even on this forum the opinion is mixed and I'd wager that most people who play the games don't care about it either way.

By 'everyone', he meant himself, I imagine.

Honestly, this forum is the only place where I've heard people complain about the player-sexual approach. I have several friends who played the Dragon Age games and they all approved. Heck, they were shocked to discover that some people actually want the Origin method back.
As one of my roommates so eloquently put it: "Why the fu** is it their business what other people do in their game?"

I remember when I first played DA2 and was so damn happy about the new approach to romance. I thought 'Yes! Finally everyone can be happy with their LI and enjoy the romances!'
...And then I stumbled into a romance thread for the first time.

The fact that we're even having these discussions still astounds me.

For some people, the happiness of others burns like the fire of a thousand suns, and must be stamped out.

[Shadow Fox]

Tequila Cat wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Bioware really needs to make a separate forum for this rubbish. I grow tired of seeing it plastered all over the first page of this one.

*Looks at ME3 romance forum*

Priestly's not here anymore. Let the -mancers fight it out, or let the mods actually make use of the banhammer.

Or let us descend and take control of the threads, like we always do. We do a dirty job, mocking and parodying the asinine romance threads, but someone has to do it, or people actually start to take it seriously.

So are we vultures or wolves and the threads the carcass?

[Billy-the-Squid]

Blackrising wrote...

Kazanth wrote...

Fardreamer wrote...

They should follow the DA:O design as pretty much everyone agrees. AND leave it open to modders to change things if you really just HAVE to romance someone who's not available to your gender.

No they don't? Who is "everyone"? Even on this forum the opinion is mixed and I'd wager that most people who play the games don't care about it either way.

By 'everyone', he meant himself, I imagine.

Honestly, this forum is the only place where I've heard people complain about the player-sexual approach. I have several friends who played the Dragon Age games and they all approved. Heck, they were shocked to discover that some people actually want the Origin method back.
As one of my roommates so eloquently put it: "Why the fu** is it their business what other people do in their game?"

I remember when I first played DA2 and was so damn happy about the new approach to romance. I thought 'Yes! Finally everyone can be happy with their LI and enjoy the romances!'
...And then I stumbled into a romance thread for the first time.

The fact that we're even having these discussions still astounds me.

The fact you thought that when you were playing DA2, above all else. Says it all given the insanity of the forums and the obsessive compulsive behaviour regarding pixel waifus.

[Shadow Fox]

Tequila Cat wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Kazanth wrote...

Fardreamer wrote...

They should follow the DA:O design as pretty much everyone agrees. AND leave it open to modders to change things if you really just HAVE to romance someone who's not available to your gender.

No they don't? Who is "everyone"? Even on this forum the opinion is mixed and I'd wager that most people who play the games don't care about it either way.

By 'everyone', he meant himself, I imagine.

Honestly, this forum is the only place where I've heard people complain about the player-sexual approach. I have several friends who played the Dragon Age games and they all approved. Heck, they were shocked to discover that some people actually want the Origin method back.
As one of my roommates so eloquently put it: "Why the fu** is it their business what other people do in their game?"

I remember when I first played DA2 and was so damn happy about the new approach to romance. I thought 'Yes! Finally everyone can be happy with their LI and enjoy the romances!'
...And then I stumbled into a romance thread for the first time.

The fact that we're even having these discussions still astounds me.

The fact you thought that when you were playing DA2, above all else. Says it all given the insanity of the forums and the obsessive compulsive behaviour regarding pixel waifus.

I will never forget those Tali posts....NEVER

[Billy-the-Squid]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Tequila Cat wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Bioware really needs to make a separate forum for this rubbish. I grow tired of seeing it plastered all over the first page of this one.

*Looks at ME3 romance forum*

Priestly's not here anymore. Let the -mancers fight it out, or let the mods actually make use of the banhammer.

Or let us descend and take control of the threads, like we always do. We do a dirty job, mocking and parodying the asinine romance threads, but someone has to do it, or people actually start to take it seriously.

So are we vultures or wolves and the threads the carcass?

These threads always live on borrowed time, we're just speeding the process along. Those that deserve to live, carry on. Those that are too sick (I'm not naming names, but romance threads) die off. 

It's a natural process. I prefer to be the Honey Badger, cute fuzzy and will rip someone's testicles off if given a chance.

[Shadow Fox]

But vultures and wolves are Badass!