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[sandalisthemaker]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


It was balanced in that male and female characters each had an equal amount of characters to choose from, and if you didn't use gifts, then you had to think about which choices were the best ones for creating a relationship.

And it was not balanced in ways nicely described by Blackrising.

Again, if you didn't use the gifts, then it wasn't as much of an issue. 

Though, Blackrising, why do you feel the pacing was off?

I was referring to the "You get 2 LI's and you only get 1" that Blackrising said.

[Thrillian]

Br3ad wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Buggirl70 wrote...

Off topic: I see the Clique are here to derail things they don't like about a thread/s topic or particularly participants again, seriously guys, rather than entertaining, your shtick is getting to be a tiresome read.
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Do explain how this is off topic please?

I am sorry that this particular sentiment applies to you Br3ad, but
"I" think the general consensus is that "The Clique" generally likes to derail threads and start crap.

I have seen many posts by you that are thoughtful and thought provoking, but many of the others in the "Clique" are not regarded as such.

Also, I used parenthesis around I just to pronunciate my own thoughts on the matter and no one elses.

I'm actually not in the Clique. I was just wondering how we were being off topic on this page. I don't know about what the others were doing. 

I am sorry, I just assumed such based on your signature.

[Former_Fiend]

Br3ad wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...
 and if you didn't use gifts, then you had to think about which choices were the best ones for creating a relationship.

Don't be silly.  Those damn gifts forced us to give them away.  Those demon statues for Alistair threatened me multiple times until it became Bodahns problem.

That's why I prefer not to use them. DA ][ did have a better system with gifts than DA:O. I think gifts are good in theory. But only if they are rare and far in between. 

The issue with gifts in DAO was that a companion's approval was tied to their performance. The higher their approval the higher their stat bonus. Gifts allowed you to maximize your party's effeciency without compromising how you wanted to play your character.

[Thrillian]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


It was balanced in that male and female characters each had an equal amount of characters to choose from, and if you didn't use gifts, then you had to think about which choices were the best ones for creating a relationship.

And it was not balanced in ways nicely described by Blackrising.

Again, if you didn't use the gifts, then it wasn't as much of an issue. 

Though, Blackrising, why do you feel the pacing was off?

I was referring to the "You get 2 LI's and you only get 1" that Blackrising said.

It was not "equal" because a gay character could not romance either Alistair or Morrigan.   A gay character was stuck with either  Zevran or Leliana.  Therefore, it is not "equal" because a straight or bi person had two  LI's available, a gay person had only one.  Not acceptable.

Modifié par Thrillho_82, 02 octobre 2013 - 01:41 .

[Ravensword]

Buggirl70 wrote...

Off topic: I see the Clique are here to derail things they don't like about a thread/s topic or particularly participants again, seriously guys, rather than entertaining, your shtick is getting to be a tiresome read.

Really, now? I'm sorry that you are somehow forced to read posts from users you don't like.

[Br3admax]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Br3ad wrote...


I'm actually not in the Clique. 

*Looks at Br3ad's sig*

I'm an intern. 

[Angrywolves]

I'm not in the clique either.
I enjoy romances.
The clique is fiction.
Feb 14 is the day Gaider supposedly picked to have the big romance reveal.
rotfl.

[Br3admax]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


It was balanced in that male and female characters each had an equal amount of characters to choose from, and if you didn't use gifts, then you had to think about which choices were the best ones for creating a relationship.

And it was not balanced in ways nicely described by Blackrising.

Again, if you didn't use the gifts, then it wasn't as much of an issue. 

Though, Blackrising, why do you feel the pacing was off?

I was referring to the "You get 2 LI's and you only get 1" that Blackrising said.

It was not "equal" because a gay character could not romance either Alistair or Morrigan.   A gay character was stuck with either  Zevran or Leliana.

I don't know if a LI should be forced to be bisexual either. But if it's written well, which Da ][ was not always, I don't see why it can't be implemented in DA:I 

[sandalisthemaker]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


It was balanced in that male and female characters each had an equal amount of characters to choose from, and if you didn't use gifts, then you had to think about which choices were the best ones for creating a relationship.

And it was not balanced in ways nicely described by Blackrising.

Again, if you didn't use the gifts, then it wasn't as much of an issue. 

Though, Blackrising, why do you feel the pacing was off?

I was referring to the "You get 2 LI's and you only get 1" that Blackrising said.

It was not "equal" because a gay character could not romance either Alistair or Morrigan.   A gay character was stuck with either  Zevran or Leliana.

Yep. That's why it wasn't balanced.

[Bugsie]

Br3ad wrote...

Do explain how this is off topic please?

Your one of the only ones from that group who seems to be in this instance. Sorry to tar you with the same brush there.
In regard to Morrigan’s romance, I thought it had a nice pace, and I can agree that the DA2 romances didn’t feel as polished.

Thrillho_82 wrote...
However, I will say that I greatly enjoy the player-sexual aspect just because it lets everyone (including me) enjoy the romance of their choice.

And that’s a good reason for Bioware to stick to it.

iakus wrote...

It was never entertaining.

Yeah I understand tehe reasoning. But I think we overall lose more than we gain.

They might think differently (but nice to know I’m not the only one annoyed by it.)
I agree, we do lose more than we gain, but I think making the romances available to a wider group is a good thing. I don’t want to see too much compromised in character for that wider choice, but a balance is needed.

[sandalisthemaker]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...


I was referring to the "You get 2 LI's and you only get 1" that Blackrising said.

Just so I understand, are you saying that having an equal amount of LI choices for Male and Female characters is not balanced, or are you saying that the amount of choices weren't equal?

In the same way that male and female characters should have an equal number of options, as you believe. (and which I agree with), a gay character should have the same number of options as a straight character.  
This was not the case in DAO.

[Drone696]

Ravensword wrote...

Buggirl70 wrote...

Off topic: I see the Clique are here to derail things they don't like about a thread/s topic or particularly participants again, seriously guys, rather than entertaining, your shtick is getting to be a tiresome read.

Really, now? I'm sorry that you are somehow forced to read posts from users you don't like.

You could always block him/them, Buggirl70.

[FaWa]

**** did I get here too late?

Ok here's the deal
I don't care about having some people be straight and some be gay, but when literally all of the important characters are straight and the bi ones are just stereotypes, it kinda rubs one off the wrong way.

In ME3 they obviously couldn't randomly throw a gay character in and have him/her be important to the story without adding a bisexual option to an existing character.

In DA3 they have a chance to show that gay romances aren't valued less than straight ones.

[sandalisthemaker]

The Mad Hanar wrote...


I don't necessairly think having characters who only "swing one way" is necessairly a bad thing, though. For example, Traynor and Cortez were gay-only characters, but that didn't create a feeling of unfairness in my opinion.

Again, the number of options wasn't balanced.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 02 octobre 2013 - 01:51 .

[Thrillian]

Br3ad wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


It was balanced in that male and female characters each had an equal amount of characters to choose from, and if you didn't use gifts, then you had to think about which choices were the best ones for creating a relationship.

And it was not balanced in ways nicely described by Blackrising.

Again, if you didn't use the gifts, then it wasn't as much of an issue. 

Though, Blackrising, why do you feel the pacing was off?

I was referring to the "You get 2 LI's and you only get 1" that Blackrising said.

It was not "equal" because a gay character could not romance either Alistair or Morrigan.   A gay character was stuck with either  Zevran or Leliana.

I don't know if a LI should be forced to be bisexual either. But if it's written well, which Da ][ was not always, I don't see why it can't be implemented in DA:I 

None of the companions were "forced" to be bisexual.  In DA2 Isabelle was bisexual as was I think Fenris because regardless of you PC gender, he becomes sexually involved with Isabelle.  Otherwise, the companions were either hetero or homosexual, depending on the gender of the pc.

Modifié par Thrillho_82, 02 octobre 2013 - 01:50 .

[Former_Fiend]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


It was balanced in that male and female characters each had an equal amount of characters to choose from, and if you didn't use gifts, then you had to think about which choices were the best ones for creating a relationship.

And it was not balanced in ways nicely described by Blackrising.

Again, if you didn't use the gifts, then it wasn't as much of an issue. 

Though, Blackrising, why do you feel the pacing was off?

I was referring to the "You get 2 LI's and you only get 1" that Blackrising said.

It was not "equal" because a gay character could not romance either Alistair or Morrigan.   A gay character was stuck with either  Zevran or Leliana.

I don't know if a LI should be forced to be bisexual either. But if it's written well, which Da ][ was not always, I don't see why it can't be implemented in DA:I 

None of the companions were "forced" to be bisexual.  In DA2 Isabelle was bisexual as was I think Fenris because regardless of you PC gender, he becomes sexually involved with Isabelle.  Otherwise, the companions were either hetero or homosexual, depending on the gender of the3 pc

Both Merrill and Anders were bisexual as well. Regardless of whether you're a male or female Hawke, Anders' first time was still with Karl(he only tells you about it if you're a male, but Word of God is that it doesn't change), and he still had sex with Isabela before they left Ferelden.

Merrill will also comment on how she found the qunari men "easy on the eyes" in act 3, even if you romance her as a female Hawke.

[sandalisthemaker]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


I don't necessairly think having characters who only "swing one way" is necessairly a bad thing, though. For example, Traynor and Cortez were gay-only characters, but that didn't create a feeling of unfairness in my opinion.

Again, the number of options weren't balanced.

You still got an option (two actually with Kaidan and Liara). In Dragon Age there was Zevern and Leliana. It's not like the games were completely unaccessable to people. 

*Again,* the number of options wasn't balanced.

[FaWa]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


I don't necessairly think having characters who only "swing one way" is necessairly a bad thing, though. For example, Traynor and Cortez were gay-only characters, but that didn't create a feeling of unfairness in my opinion.

Again, the number of options weren't balanced.

You still got an option (two actually with Kaidan and Liara). In Dragon Age there was Zevern and Leliana. It's not like the games were completely unaccessable to people. 

Rosa Parks still got to sit on the bus. There were plenty of seats in the back. Its not like the bus was completely unaccessable to people

/ExtremeAnalogy

[Bugsie]

rapunzel696 wrote...
You could always block him/them, Buggirl70.

I would love an ignore button for several posters, BSN doesn't have that feature unfortuneately.

Thing is - sometimes they actually say something worth reading.

Simple thing is not to engage when they're trolling.

On topic again,

The Mad Hanar wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...


I was referring to the "You get 2 LI's and you only get 1" that Blackrising said.

Just so I understand, are you saying that having an equal amount of LI choices for Male and Female characters is not balanced, or are you saying that the amount of choices weren't equal?

In the same way that male and female characters should have an equal number of options, as you believe. (and which I agree with), a gay character should have the same number of options as a straight character.  
This was not the case in DAO.

I don't necessairly think having characters who only "swing one way" is necessairly a bad thing, though. For example, Traynor and Cortez were gay-only characters, but that didn't create a feeling of unfairness in my opinion.

Traynor and Cortez were good examples of only gay- characters, they had good characterisation outside the romances too, being friendly with them even as the same sex was well done (IMHO)  They were good characters who happen to be gay.  The majority of peope from what I gather didn't see it as unfair (aside from a few posts I've seen here and there saying it was, but you know, fandoms).

[Hellion Rex]

FaWa wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


I don't necessairly think having characters who only "swing one way" is necessairly a bad thing, though. For example, Traynor and Cortez were gay-only characters, but that didn't create a feeling of unfairness in my opinion.

Again, the number of options weren't balanced.

You still got an option (two actually with Kaidan and Liara). In Dragon Age there was Zevern and Leliana. It's not like the games were completely unaccessable to people. 

Rosa Parks still got to sit on the bus. There were plenty of seats in the back. Its not like the bus was completely unaccessable to people

/ExtremeAnalogy

Extreme analogy is a tad bit of an understatement.

[FaWa]

eluvianix wrote...

FaWa wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...


I don't necessairly think having characters who only "swing one way" is necessairly a bad thing, though. For example, Traynor and Cortez were gay-only characters, but that didn't create a feeling of unfairness in my opinion.

Again, the number of options weren't balanced.

You still got an option (two actually with Kaidan and Liara). In Dragon Age there was Zevern and Leliana. It's not like the games were completely unaccessable to people. 

Rosa Parks still got to sit on the bus. There were plenty of seats in the back. Its not like the bus was completely unaccessable to people

/ExtremeAnalogy

Extreme analogy is a tad bit of an understatement.

Are you implying that the battle for more pixelated gayness isn't equivalent to the Civil Rights Movement?

[Former_Fiend]

If they were to include full romances with NPC characters in the vein of Traynor and Cortez, I wouldn't have a problem with the party members not all being bisexual.

My issue with the DAO way of handling it is that if you're gay and the only other person in your circle of friends who has a compatible orientation simply isn't your type, your option isn't "shack up with them or go without", you go out and you try and meet someone else.

In DAO, your option was literally Zeveran for men and Leliana for women, a one night stand with a character who got killed off in the human noble origin, and the prostitutes at the Pearl.