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[Br3admax]

Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Er, Merrill never displayed open attraction to either sex, really.

Yes she does. Even during Act I she says some wierd things during dialogue with Aveline. 

That's only about Hawke specifically.

So you're admiting that this is purely playersexual? 

[Former_Fiend]

Heidenreich wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Er, Merrill never displayed open attraction to either sex, really.

Yes she does. Even during Act I she says some wierd things during dialogue with Aveline. 

That's only about Hawke specifically.

She mentions that she's sorry the qunari are gone in act 3 because they're "easy on the eyes".

Hate to break it to you sweetie, but anyone can apreciate someone with a rock hard body with out wanting to jump in bed with them

I'm not saying she was. Just that she found them physically attractive. That doesn't mean she would have acted on that attraction.

[Star fury]

AmRMa wrote...

There seems to be some factions that are split on availability of romance LI's. Some want all races available to all other races- some want restrictions and the same with sexuality. I get both of the arguments.

For restrictions-(race)
- makes LI's choices more realistic and based on their own agency -rather than revolving around player's choices
           -also some pairing seem to be a little ridiculous to some ex. dwarf/qunari
              -ex. in DA:O only a female human noble could marry Alistair and become queen- I thought it enhanced the realism (although first playthrough as a female city elf I was a bit peeved at him)
              -ex. in DA2 Varric not being a romance option and not into humans- totally respected that

For restriction-(sexuality)- again LI's have more agency rather than player sexual
                                                 -ex. Sebastian, Alistair, Morrigan- all straight
                                   -may go against the character's personality or it's not as believable that they would go bisexual
                                                     -ex. more believable for Isabella than Fenris (at least for me)

 

More restriction needed imo. Like peasant simpletons can't marry nobles(Isn't it one of the reasons why Sebastian rejects FemHawke). Right of the first night should be in the game for a aristocrate. Should've added it for Cousland in DAO.

Modifié par Star fury, 02 octobre 2013 - 04:20 .

[Ryzaki]

Br3ad wrote...

So you're admiting that this is purely playersexual? 

? Is there anything wrong with player sexual? Tali in ME2 was Shepard sexual (even if it was only for male). She expands a bit in ME3 if Shep doesn't romance her (and Garrus is still alive).

Liara is VERY clearly Shepardsexual.

1 character being playersexual isn't an issue to me. And no all the LIs in DA2 weren't playersexual. Isabela and Anders are both bisexual as for Fenris...he'll sleep with Isabela if Hawke doesn't romance him.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 octobre 2013 - 04:22 .

[Br3admax]

Ryzaki wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

So you're admiting that this is purely playersexual? 

? Is there anything wrong with player sexual? Tali in ME2 was Shepard sexual (even if it was only for male). She expands a bit in ME3 if Shep doesn't romance her.

Liara is VERY clearly Shepardsexual.

1 character being playersexual isn't an issue to me.

I'm not saying it's an issue, but plenty of people her say that the characters aren't playersexual. I'm asking a question. 

[Former_Fiend]

Star fury wrote...

AmRMa wrote...

There seems to be some factions that are split on availability of romance LI's. Some want all races available to all other races- some want restrictions and the same with sexuality. I get both of the arguments.

For restrictions-(race)
- makes LI's choices more realistic and based on their own agency -rather than revolving around player's choices
           -also some pairing seem to be a little ridiculous to some ex. dwarf/qunari
              -ex. in DA:O only a female human noble could marry Alistair and become queen- I thought it enhanced the realism (although first playthrough as a female city elf I was a bit peeved at him)
              -ex. in DA2 Varric not being a romance option and not into humans- totally respected that

For restriction-(sexuality)- again LI's have more agency rather than player sexual
                                                 -ex. Sebastian, Alistair, Morrigan- all straight
                                   -may go against the character's personality or it's not as believable that they would go bisexual
                                                     -ex. more believable for Isabella than Fenris (at least for me)

 

More restriction needed imo. Like peasant simpletons can't marry nobles(Isn't it one of the reasons why Sebastian rejects FemHawke). Right of the first night should be in the game for a aristocrate. Should've added it for Cousland in DAO.

Romance and marriage are two separate things. 

[Br3admax]

Former_Fiend wrote...

Star fury wrote...

AmRMa wrote...

There seems to be some factions that are split on availability of romance LI's. Some want all races available to all other races- some want restrictions and the same with sexuality. I get both of the arguments.

For restrictions-(race)
- makes LI's choices more realistic and based on their own agency -rather than revolving around player's choices
           -also some pairing seem to be a little ridiculous to some ex. dwarf/qunari
              -ex. in DA:O only a female human noble could marry Alistair and become queen- I thought it enhanced the realism (although first playthrough as a female city elf I was a bit peeved at him)
              -ex. in DA2 Varric not being a romance option and not into humans- totally respected that

For restriction-(sexuality)- again LI's have more agency rather than player sexual
                                                 -ex. Sebastian, Alistair, Morrigan- all straight
                                   -may go against the character's personality or it's not as believable that they would go bisexual
                                                     -ex. more believable for Isabella than Fenris (at least for me)

 

More restriction needed imo. Like peasant simpletons can't marry nobles(Isn't it one of the reasons why Sebastian rejects FemHawke). Right of the first night should be in the game for a aristocrate. Should've added it for Cousland in DAO.

Romance and marriage are two separate things. 

Not to mention the fact that a Grey Warden has less claim to anything than even the lowest peasant. 

[Heidenreich]

Former_Fiend wrote...

Heidenreich wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Er, Merrill never displayed open attraction to either sex, really.

Yes she does. Even during Act I she says some wierd things during dialogue with Aveline. 

That's only about Hawke specifically.

She mentions that she's sorry the qunari are gone in act 3 because they're "easy on the eyes".

Hate to break it to you sweetie, but anyone can apreciate someone with a rock hard body with out wanting to jump in bed with them

I'm not saying she was. Just that she found them physically attractive. That doesn't mean she would have acted on that attraction.

You're saying she was physically attracted.  I'm saying that you do not have to be physically attracted to someone to apreciate a pretty face or a well cared for figure. Any woman will tell you as much. Straight or gay. Void, my very very straight brother does it all the time.

Ever catch yourself saying, "I'm not gay/straight but he/she is really good looking"? It applies here. It's very very easy to think someone is "easy on the eyes" and have no desire to do things to them in a sexual mannor.

[Former_Fiend]

Br3ad wrote...


Not to mention the fact that a Grey Warden has less claim to anything than even the lowest peasant. 

I was going to bring up that a noble who becomes a Grey Warden forsakes their nobility, but there's apparently enough leeway in that to where a Cousland warden is a viable marriage candidate for Alistair or Anora. But, extrenuating(I just know I spelled that wrong) circumstances, I suppose.

[Former_Fiend]

Heidenreich wrote...


You're saying she was physically attracted.  I'm saying that you do not have to be physically attracted to someone to apreciate a pretty face or a well cared for figure. Any woman will tell you as much. Straight or gay. Void, my very very straight brother does it all the time.

Ever catch yourself saying, "I'm not gay/straight but he/she is really good looking"? It applies here. It's very very easy to think someone is "easy on the eyes" and have no desire to do things to them in a sexual mannor.

Fair point.

Still, the tone of her voice implied attraction to me.

[Ryzaki]

Br3ad wrote...
I'm not saying it's an issue, but plenty of people her say that the characters aren't playersexual. I'm asking a question. 

I'd consider her Hawke sexual. Other than saying the Qunari are easy on the eyes she express interest towards no one else.

The thing with Merrill though is she's not even Hawke sexual unless you make the first move. (Unless I missed something).

The rest of the LIs aren't though.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 octobre 2013 - 04:31 .

[Br3admax]

Well technically, the player leaves the Grey Wardens to do that. They then go back during Awakening. Then, they leave again afterwards. Then they disappear. See, to become king, Alistair had to leave the Grey Wardens. Technically, anyway.

[Shadow Fox]

Star fury wrote...

AmRMa wrote...

There seems to be some factions that are split on availability of romance LI's. Some want all races available to all other races- some want restrictions and the same with sexuality. I get both of the arguments.

For restrictions-(race)
- makes LI's choices more realistic and based on their own agency -rather than revolving around player's choices
           -also some pairing seem to be a little ridiculous to some ex. dwarf/qunari
              -ex. in DA:O only a female human noble could marry Alistair and become queen- I thought it enhanced the realism (although first playthrough as a female city elf I was a bit peeved at him)
              -ex. in DA2 Varric not being a romance option and not into humans- totally respected that

For restriction-(sexuality)- again LI's have more agency rather than player sexual
                                                 -ex. Sebastian, Alistair, Morrigan- all straight
                                   -may go against the character's personality or it's not as believable that they would go bisexual
                                                     -ex. more believable for Isabella than Fenris (at least for me)

 

More restriction needed imo. Like peasant simpletons can't marry nobles(Isn't it one of the reasons why Sebastian rejects FemHawke). Right of the first night should be in the game for a aristocrate. Should've added it for Cousland in DAO.

Except they can and they did:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morganatic_marriage

[Ryzaki]

Br3ad wrote...

Well technically, the player leaves the Grey Wardens to do that. They then go back during Awakening. Then, they leave again afterwards. Then they disappear. See, to become king, Alistair had to leave the Grey Wardens. Technically, anyway.

What's Queen Cousland's excuse? She doesn't leave the Wardens. (Hell she can distinctly say the opposite).

[Br3admax]

Ryzaki wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Well technically, the player leaves the Grey Wardens to do that. They then go back during Awakening. Then, they leave again afterwards. Then they disappear. See, to become king, Alistair had to leave the Grey Wardens. Technically, anyway.

What's Queen Cousland's excuse? She doesn't leave the Wardens. (Hell she can distinctly say the opposite).

She's lying or its an oversight. She has to leave the Wardens technically, as the Wardens are neutral. Or you can go the other route and say that she isn't really queen. Only queen-consort. 

[Ryzaki]

Br3ad wrote...

She's lying or its an oversight. She has to leave the Wardens technically, as the Wardens are neutral. Or you can go the other route and say that she isn't really queen. Only queen-consort. 

Doesn't Teagan call her "Her Majesty" in DA2? And I believe he also calls her the queen.

It's more likely she's an exception. After all in Awakening the Warden is an Arl (or Teryn or WHATEVER ) of Amarathine.

[Shadow Fox]

Ryzaki wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Well technically, the player leaves the Grey Wardens to do that. They then go back during Awakening. Then, they leave again afterwards. Then they disappear. See, to become king, Alistair had to leave the Grey Wardens. Technically, anyway.

What's Queen Cousland's excuse? She doesn't leave the Wardens. (Hell she can distinctly say the opposite).

Killing the Archdemon.

[Steelcan]

screw it all, magocracy under the wardens for da lulz

[Star fury]

Former_Fiend wrote...

Star fury wrote...

AmRMa wrote...

There seems to be some factions that are split on availability of romance LI's. Some want all races available to all other races- some want restrictions and the same with sexuality. I get both of the arguments.

For restrictions-(race)
- makes LI's choices more realistic and based on their own agency -rather than revolving around player's choices
           -also some pairing seem to be a little ridiculous to some ex. dwarf/qunari
              -ex. in DA:O only a female human noble could marry Alistair and become queen- I thought it enhanced the realism (although first playthrough as a female city elf I was a bit peeved at him)
              -ex. in DA2 Varric not being a romance option and not into humans- totally respected that

For restriction-(sexuality)- again LI's have more agency rather than player sexual
                                                 -ex. Sebastian, Alistair, Morrigan- all straight
                                   -may go against the character's personality or it's not as believable that they would go bisexual
                                                     -ex. more believable for Isabella than Fenris (at least for me)

 

More restriction needed imo. Like peasant simpletons can't marry nobles(Isn't it one of the reasons why Sebastian rejects FemHawke). Right of the first night should be in the game for a aristocrate. Should've added it for Cousland in DAO.

Romance and marriage are two separate things. 

So it should be only casual thing, no deep feeling involved. 

[Star fury]

Br3ad wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

Star fury wrote...

AmRMa wrote...

There seems to be some factions that are split on availability of romance LI's. Some want all races available to all other races- some want restrictions and the same with sexuality. I get both of the arguments.

For restrictions-(race)
- makes LI's choices more realistic and based on their own agency -rather than revolving around player's choices
           -also some pairing seem to be a little ridiculous to some ex. dwarf/qunari
              -ex. in DA:O only a female human noble could marry Alistair and become queen- I thought it enhanced the realism (although first playthrough as a female city elf I was a bit peeved at him)
              -ex. in DA2 Varric not being a romance option and not into humans- totally respected that

For restriction-(sexuality)- again LI's have more agency rather than player sexual
                                                 -ex. Sebastian, Alistair, Morrigan- all straight
                                   -may go against the character's personality or it's not as believable that they would go bisexual
                                                     -ex. more believable for Isabella than Fenris (at least for me)

 

More restriction needed imo. Like peasant simpletons can't marry nobles(Isn't it one of the reasons why Sebastian rejects FemHawke). Right of the first night should be in the game for a aristocrate. Should've added it for Cousland in DAO.

Romance and marriage are two separate things. 

Not to mention the fact that a Grey Warden has less claim to anything than even the lowest peasant. 

But they're great in bed.

[Br3admax]

Ryzaki wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

She's lying or its an oversight. She has to leave the Wardens technically, as the Wardens are neutral. Or you can go the other route and say that she isn't really queen. Only queen-consort. 

Doesn't Teagan call her "Her Majesty" in DA2? And I believe he also calls her the queen.

It's more likely she's an exception. After all in Awakening the Warden is an Arl (or Teryn or WHATEVER ) of Amarathine.

Well one could argue that after returning to Denerim, she resumed her duties and left the Wardens, and the codex still calls her queen-consort. Some times she's even called princess-consort I think. And as Amarathine belonged to the Grey Wardens, the leader of the Wardens would be the arl. 

[Hey]

never change

[Former_Fiend]

Star fury wrote...


So it should be only casual thing, no deep feeling involved. 

While I wouldn't mind the option to keep it casual(I find myself getting burnt out on "love of my life" stories), I didn't say that, either.

I believe that one can have a deep, personal, passionate romance without ever going through the ceremony of marriage. 

That being said I wouldn't mind if this conflict comes up. I didn't mind the conflict with Alistair marrying Anora breaking it off with the warden(unless he was hardened). Say, if Cassandra is a love interest and she gets drawn into the Nevarran succession crisis that's about to become a thing, I wouldn't mind if that leads to conflict with people who romanced her with characters that aren't suitable love interests for a member of the royal family.

I just don't particularly see it as a good reason to stop the romance from happening at all. A logical reason, maybe. But people rarely handle matters of the heart(or their loins) logically.

[Ryzaki]

Br3ad wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

She's lying or its an oversight. She has to leave the Wardens technically, as the Wardens are neutral. Or you can go the other route and say that she isn't really queen. Only queen-consort. 

Doesn't Teagan call her "Her Majesty" in DA2? And I believe he also calls her the queen.

It's more likely she's an exception. After all in Awakening the Warden is an Arl (or Teryn or WHATEVER ) of Amarathine.

Well one could argue that after returning to Denerim, she resumed her duties and left the Wardens, and the codex still calls her queen-consort. Some times she's even called princess-consort I think. And as Amarathine belonged to the Grey Wardens, the leader of the Wardens would be the arl. 

Hm fair enough.

Screw that Amarathine is mine. They'll have to pry it from my Warden's cold dead hands.

[Shadow Fox]

Ryzaki wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

She's lying or its an oversight. She has to leave the Wardens technically, as the Wardens are neutral. Or you can go the other route and say that she isn't really queen. Only queen-consort. 

Doesn't Teagan call her "Her Majesty" in DA2? And I believe he also calls her the queen.

It's more likely she's an exception. After all in Awakening the Warden is an Arl (or Teryn or WHATEVER ) of Amarathine.

Well one could argue that after returning to Denerim, she resumed her duties and left the Wardens, and the codex still calls her queen-consort. Some times she's even called princess-consort I think. And as Amarathine belonged to the Grey Wardens, the leader of the Wardens would be the arl. 

Hm fair enough.

Screw that Amarathine is mine. They'll have to pry it from my Warden's cold dead hands.

Right on!