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[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Tevinter would never waste any mages like that. Non-mages they will do that with no care.

Weak mages are just as much a target in Tevinter as anything else.

But weak mages are barely a target at all. The weaker the mage, the less interesting a target for demons. That is what established lore says.

Not necessarily. A weaker mage might be an easier target to seduce. And demons can more than likely supercharge or at least amplify what a "weak" mage can do exponentially.

I don't think it works quite like that. They can't "amplify" a mage's power. However, they are not reliant on the skills of the mage, and as such a target like for instance Feynriel, who knows nothng of how to handle his skills, but are unimaginably powerful, is extremely tasty, whereas a mage with little skill and even less power, is simply not appetizing for a demon, since they don't really gain anything from the effort they put into possessing the mage.
So the less skill and the more power = more appetizing to the demon, with power being the most important factor.

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Tevinter would never waste any mages like that. Non-mages they will do that with no care.

Weak mages are just as much a target in Tevinter as anything else.

But weak mages are barely a target at all. The weaker the mage, the less interesting a target for demons. That is what established lore says.

Not necessarily. A weaker mage might be an easier target to seduce. And demons can more than likely supercharge or at least amplify what a "weak" mage can do exponentially.

I don't think it works quite like that. They can't "amplify" a mage's power. However, they are not reliant on the skills of the mage, and as such a target like for instance Feynriel, who knows nothng of how to handle his skills, but are unimaginably powerful, is extremely tasty, whereas a mage with little skill and even less power, is simply not appetizing for a demon, since they don't really gain anything from the effort they put into possessing the mage.
So the less skill and the more power = more appetizing to the demon, with power being the most important factor.

True, I can see your point. Skill is just as important of power. But I do think that demons can exploit a mage's inherent potential abilities, making the creatures much stronger when an abominations are born. That would explain why an abomination such as Meredith's sister could leave so much destruction in her wake.

[Boycott Bioware]

Demons interested in Mages not because of their power, but because only Mages can connect the world with the Fade, magic is come from the Fade

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Tevinter would never waste any mages like that. Non-mages they will do that with no care.

Weak mages are just as much a target in Tevinter as anything else.

But weak mages are barely a target at all. The weaker the mage, the less interesting a target for demons. That is what established lore says.

Not necessarily. A weaker mage might be an easier target to seduce. And demons can more than likely supercharge or at least amplify what a "weak" mage can do exponentially.

I don't think it works quite like that. They can't "amplify" a mage's power. However, they are not reliant on the skills of the mage, and as such a target like for instance Feynriel, who knows nothng of how to handle his skills, but are unimaginably powerful, is extremely tasty, whereas a mage with little skill and even less power, is simply not appetizing for a demon, since they don't really gain anything from the effort they put into possessing the mage.
So the less skill and the more power = more appetizing to the demon, with power being the most important factor.

True, I can see your point. Skill is just as important of power. But I do think that demons can exploit a mage's inherent potential abilities, making the creatures much stronger when an abominations are born. That would explain why an abomination such as Meredith's sister could leave so much destruction in her wake.

Okay to better illustrate my point, im going to use something I despise: Power Levels.

Lets say we can divide mages into power levels with 1 being the weakest and 100 the strongest (0 being a mundane).
Now a mage of a power level of 100 is the epitome of appetizing to a demon, they will stop at nothing to possess such a target. He will attract the most powerful demons from all over the Fade, simply because his "light" shines all over the Fade.
A mage of power level 1, can barely be differentiated from a mundane, since his "light" barely even shines.

Now for the instance of possession, with the addition of power levels. Lets say a new apprentice has arrived in the Circle with a power level of 50. His mastery of the magical arts are however lacking, an as such he can only summon the power of a mage with power level 30, despite his potential, simply because he lacks the skills to do so. If a demon were to possess him, it would unlock his full potential of 50, but it would not increase it any further. It simply cannot work with something that isn't there.
That is why a demon will always prefer the more powerful target, and preferably the lesser skilled one, such a Feynriel, over an extremely weak mage.
It also explains why Meredith's sister could cause such damage, if he hidden potential was high, the demon simply unlocked it within her, despite her having no knowledge of the magical arts.

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Tevinter would never waste any mages like that. Non-mages they will do that with no care.

Weak mages are just as much a target in Tevinter as anything else.

But weak mages are barely a target at all. The weaker the mage, the less interesting a target for demons. That is what established lore says.

Not necessarily. A weaker mage might be an easier target to seduce. And demons can more than likely supercharge or at least amplify what a "weak" mage can do exponentially.

I don't think it works quite like that. They can't "amplify" a mage's power. However, they are not reliant on the skills of the mage, and as such a target like for instance Feynriel, who knows nothng of how to handle his skills, but are unimaginably powerful, is extremely tasty, whereas a mage with little skill and even less power, is simply not appetizing for a demon, since they don't really gain anything from the effort they put into possessing the mage.
So the less skill and the more power = more appetizing to the demon, with power being the most important factor.

True, I can see your point. Skill is just as important of power. But I do think that demons can exploit a mage's inherent potential abilities, making the creatures much stronger when an abominations are born. That would explain why an abomination such as Meredith's sister could leave so much destruction in her wake.

Okay to better illustrate my point, im going to use something I despise: Power Levels.

Lets say we can divide mages into power levels with 1 being the weakest and 100 the strongest (0 being a mundane).
Now a mage of a power level of 100 is the epitome of appetizing to a demon, they will stop at nothing to possess such a target. He will attract the most powerful demons from all over the Fade, simply because his "light" shines all over the Fade.
A mage of power level 1, can barely be differentiated from a mundane, since his "light" barely even shines.

Now for the instance of possession, with the addition of power levels. Lets say a new apprentice has arrived in the Circle with a power level of 50. His mastery of the magical arts are however lacking, an as such he can only summon the power of a mage with power level 30, despite his potential, simply because he lacks the skills to do so. If a demon were to possess him, it would unlock his full potential of 50, but it would not increase it any further. It simply cannot work with something that isn't there.
That is why a demon will always prefer the more powerful target, and preferably the lesser skilled one, such a Feynriel, over an extremely weak mage.
It also explains why Meredith's sister could cause such damage, if he hidden potential was high, the demon simply unlocked it within her, despite her having no knowledge of the magical arts.

Ok, I see your point. I also hate using power levels to depict things. And I almost expected you to make a "over 9000" reference. 

Modifié par eluvianix, 03 octobre 2013 - 08:00 .

[Uccio]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So creating a single centralized area where all magic is done is actually more dangerous? Hmmm.

That's only a problem if your goal is actually keeping mages alive. Regardless of what some posters say, I have a hard time believing the Templars actually give a fudge. 

At the same time, we might want to ask how it is that Minrathos isn't a crater. Clearly the magisters have something that keeps them safe. Perhaps they could be made to part with that knowledge. 

The Tevinter system, from all I understand from Gaider, is largely the same as the White Chantry system. The only difference is that the very top-ranked mages are allowed freedom from and control of this system.

The reason that Minrathous isn't a smoking crater, I believe, is that the danger from abominations is quality of the monsters rather than quantity. Abominations are powerful, but they aren't many. It also helps that the mages who are allowed out of the Circles and into the general population in Tevinter are presumably all Harrowed, if the systems are as similar as I took from Gaider's comments. Wynne is allowed out into the general population several times. Is Denerim a crater?  Amaranthine?

That current Tevinter system is made after andrastian faith allmost destroyed Tevinter. What about during the time when Tevinter was at height of its power? It seems they had no problem with keeping demons in check without circle system.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I don't think it has that much to do with "potential".
A demon can add it's power to the mages own.

Power mage + powerfull demon = youre' fu***!


Powerfull mages are not only more attractive, they are also far more visible to demons.

[Boycott Bioware]

Actually, there is no powerful or weak mages, it just how strong the Mage connection to the Fade

Mages cannot cast spell just by born into the world, yes they will accidentally recover their potential, training give them the way to understand their potential.

Dreamers have the strongest connection to the Fade that they can shape the Fade.

Like my arguments in other thread, the Fade is real, it is another world, not a dream world. Look at Merill convo with Anders. Look at how Elf describe the Beyond. The Fade is a world merged with Thedas

Edit : Mages and dreamers are the ones that can break the law of physic, that is why demons and spirits interest in them to come into "real" world (Thedas) through them, in other way is breaking the Veil, no need for Mages anymore

Modifié par Qistina, 03 octobre 2013 - 08:50 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...
Ok, I see your point. I also hate using power levels to depict things. And I almost expected you to make a "over 9000" reference. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

 
Trust me, it was a hard fought battle to resist that urge.. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/blushing.png[/smilie]

Qistina wrote...

Actually, there is no powerful or weak mages, it just how strong the Mage connection to the Fade

Mages cannot cast spell just by born into the world, yes they will accidentally recover their potential, training give them the way to understand their potential.

Dreamers have the strongest connection to the Fade that they can shape the Fade.

Like my arguments in other thread, the Fade is real, it is another world, not a dream world. Look at Merill convo with Anders. Look at how Elf describe the Beyond. The Fade is a world merged with Thedas

Edit : Mages and dreamers are the ones that can break the law of physic, that is why demons and spirits interest in them to come into "real" world (Thedas) through them, in other way is breaking the Veil, no need for Mages anymore

There is such a thing as a weak and a powerful mage. You even describe it yourself, in your very own post. The power of a mage's connection to the Fade, directly influence how powerful he is as a mage. There are mages who can summon destructive firestorms devastating entire city blocks, and there are mages who will struggle their entire life just to light a simple candle. This potential is determined by their connection to the Fade. No amount of trainning will ever improve a mage's connection to the Fade, trainning can only help the mage harness the power he already got.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 03 octobre 2013 - 09:11 .

[Boycott Bioware]

Basically, everyone have the connection to the Fade, non-Mages are the weakest connection, so cannot use magic because unable to draw the magic from the Fade.

So the term "weak Mage" is not accurate, they are just people that not have strong connection to the Fade..."Mage" is someone who can draw the magic from the Fade, someone who can't are not Mages

[EmperorSahlertz]

Qistina wrote...

Basically, everyone have the connection to the Fade, non-Mages are the weakest connection, so cannot use magic because unable to draw the magic from the Fade.

So the term "weak Mage" is not accurate, they are just people that not have strong connection to the Fade..."Mage" is someone who can draw the magic from the Fade, someone who can't are not Mages

Everyone got a connection, but the connection that mages got is unique, in that it allows them to bring the Fade into the physical world, in the form of magic. So the term "weak mage" is perfectly accurate.

[Boycott Bioware]

"Weak Mage" term that being used is to portray a Mage that is weak, while there is no "weak Mage", that is why it is not accurate

"Weak Mage" is a term used to Mages that too scared of demons and want to go for Tranquility willingly or mages who get fooled by demons

That is not weak Mage, that is weak individual

[EmperorSahlertz]

Qistina wrote...

"Weak Mage" term that being used is to portray a Mage that is weak, while there is no "weak Mage", that is why it is not accurate

"Weak Mage" is a term used to Mages that too scared of demons and want to go for Tranquility willingly or mages who get fooled by demons

That is not weak Mage, that is weak individual

Okay, I have a hard time understanding, why you have a hard time understanding...

A MAGE, ie. a person who can bring the Fade into the physical world in the form of magic, do so through his unique connection to the Fade. This connection varies from mage to mage. Some mages have a strong connection, enabling the mage incredible magical feats. Others have a very weak link, which barely even allows them to light a candle. Hence the term a "weak mage". Simply put, in this case, a weak mage, is a amge with a weak link to the Fade.
No amount of trainning, will ever increase the power of a mage's connection to the Fade. Trainning will only ever help him realize his full potential.

[dragonflight288]

*sigh*

There is in-game proof that demons don't care about the magical power of the mage. Connor.

Jowan says he hadn't taught Connor much, and that Connor could barely cast a minor spell. Connor wasn't that powerful when he was approached by a Desire demon, one of the more powerful in the hierarchy.

Gaider and other devs have acknowledged that demons care more about how much power a mage does have, but does not limit that to magical power. Connor was approached by a desire demon, not because of his magical power, but because of his potential political power as the only son of a powerful arl.

[leaguer of one]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Qistina wrote...

"Weak Mage" term that being used is to portray a Mage that is weak, while there is no "weak Mage", that is why it is not accurate

"Weak Mage" is a term used to Mages that too scared of demons and want to go for Tranquility willingly or mages who get fooled by demons

That is not weak Mage, that is weak individual

Okay, I have a hard time understanding, why you have a hard time understanding...

A MAGE, ie. a person who can bring the Fade into the physical world in the form of magic, do so through his unique connection to the Fade. This connection varies from mage to mage. Some mages have a strong connection, enabling the mage incredible magical feats. Others have a very weak link, which barely even allows them to light a candle. Hence the term a "weak mage". Simply put, in this case, a weak mage, is a amge with a weak link to the Fade.
No amount of trainning, will ever increase the power of a mage's connection to the Fade. Trainning will only ever help him realize his full potential.

Wrong again. There is only one type of mage that can do that and those are rare dreamers.
 It matter not if the mage can connect to the fade or not. If they are a mage they attract demons not matter the power.
You're not getting that magic is like a flame  to a moth to demons, A less light flame is not going to detour demons. The brighter the flame the more moths are attracted to it but a low lite flame still attracts moths.

 A low powered mage is not safer then a normal or high powered one.

[EmperorSahlertz]

dragonflight288 wrote...

*sigh* 

There is in-game proof that demons don't care about the magical power of the mage. Connor.

Jowan says he hadn't taught Connor much, and that Connor could barely cast a minor spell. Connor wasn't that powerful when he was approached by a Desire demon, one of the more powerful in the hierarchy. 

Gaider and other devs have acknowledged that demons care more about how much power a mage does have, but does not limit that to magical power. Connor was approached by a desire demon, not because of his magical power, but because of his potential political power as the only son of a powerful arl. 

They said taht the demons care about power. That was it. That could be magical, political and any other form of power. However they would still have to be a mage. A demon are still attracted more to mages gifted with powerful magical talents, as is proven by Feynriel. However, they will also, in some cases, settle for a mage of lesser talent, but more influential power.
And in the case of Circle amges, the least powerful of the Circle mages, or of such insignificance that they pose almost no danger of possession, as long as they stay in the Circle, since they hold no influence, and no magical power.

leaguer of one wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Qistina wrote...

"Weak Mage" term that being used is to portray a Mage that is weak, while there is no "weak Mage", that is why it is not accurate

"Weak Mage" is a term used to Mages that too scared of demons and want to go for Tranquility willingly or mages who get fooled by demons

That is not weak Mage, that is weak individual

Okay, I have a hard time understanding, why you have a hard time understanding...

A MAGE, ie. a person who can bring the Fade into the physical world in the form of magic, do so through his unique connection to the Fade. This connection varies from mage to mage. Some mages have a strong connection, enabling the mage incredible magical feats. Others have a very weak link, which barely even allows them to light a candle. Hence the term a "weak mage". Simply put, in this case, a weak mage, is a amge with a weak link to the Fade.
No amount of trainning, will ever increase the power of a mage's connection to the Fade. Trainning will only ever help him realize his full potential.

Wrong again. There is only one type of mage that can do that and those are rare dreamers.
 It matter not if the mage can connect to the fade or not. If they are a mage they attract demons not matter the power.
You're not getting that magic is like a flame  to a moth to demons, A less light flame is not going to detour demons. The brighter the flame the more moths are attracted to it but a low lite flame still attracts moths.

 A low powered mage is not safer then a normal or high powered one.

ALL magic is the Fade brought into the physical realm. A Dreamer is unique in that he can enter the Fade at will and conciously. That is his unique power.
And you dont get that I never said that the lesser mages wouldn't attract demons. I said that if you a have a goddamn bonfire, then your lighter wont make a ****ing difference. The lighter simply wont attract a single moth, when they are all distracted by the nearby bonfire.

If you are in a completly dark room, with the only source of light is the lighter, then it would attract the moths, however Thedas is filled with bonfires, and they attract all the moths.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 03 octobre 2013 - 02:08 .

[Medhia Nox]

People are confusing weak willed - with weak magical power levels - I think.

There's a huge difference.

Connor might not have been weak in power levels - he DID go to Tevinter if he gets the chance yeah? I don't expect mages who will never be able to do more than light a candle to be welcomed in Tevinter... ever.

BUT - Connor was weak willed.

That makes him the ideal target for a demon.

[Plaintiff]

We've seen non-mages get possessed. Many, in fact. They also inhabit corpses, animals and friggin' trees.

If demons truly had no interest in mundanes whatsoever, that wouldn't be happening. Rather, demons want to break through to the mortal plane, by any means necessary.

Magical power makes a target more attractive, as does political power or any other kind of power, but just because you prefer steak doesn't mean you won't eat a hamburger.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 03 octobre 2013 - 02:52 .

[leaguer of one]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

*sigh* 

There is in-game proof that demons don't care about the magical power of the mage. Connor.

Jowan says he hadn't taught Connor much, and that Connor could barely cast a minor spell. Connor wasn't that powerful when he was approached by a Desire demon, one of the more powerful in the hierarchy. 

Gaider and other devs have acknowledged that demons care more about how much power a mage does have, but does not limit that to magical power. Connor was approached by a desire demon, not because of his magical power, but because of his potential political power as the only son of a powerful arl. 

They said taht the demons care about power. That was it. That could be magical, political and any other form of power. However they would still have to be a mage. A demon are still attracted more to mages gifted with powerful magical talents, as is proven by Feynriel. However, they will also, in some cases, settle for a mage of lesser talent, but more influential power.
And in the case of Circle amges, the least powerful of the Circle mages, or of such insignificance that they pose almost no danger of possession, as long as they stay in the Circle, since they hold no influence, and no magical power.

leaguer of one wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Qistina wrote...

"Weak Mage" term that being used is to portray a Mage that is weak, while there is no "weak Mage", that is why it is not accurate

"Weak Mage" is a term used to Mages that too scared of demons and want to go for Tranquility willingly or mages who get fooled by demons

That is not weak Mage, that is weak individual

Okay, I have a hard time understanding, why you have a hard time understanding...

A MAGE, ie. a person who can bring the Fade into the physical world in the form of magic, do so through his unique connection to the Fade. This connection varies from mage to mage. Some mages have a strong connection, enabling the mage incredible magical feats. Others have a very weak link, which barely even allows them to light a candle. Hence the term a "weak mage". Simply put, in this case, a weak mage, is a amge with a weak link to the Fade.
No amount of trainning, will ever increase the power of a mage's connection to the Fade. Trainning will only ever help him realize his full potential.

Wrong again. There is only one type of mage that can do that and those are rare dreamers.
 It matter not if the mage can connect to the fade or not. If they are a mage they attract demons not matter the power.
You're not getting that magic is like a flame  to a moth to demons, A less light flame is not going to detour demons. The brighter the flame the more moths are attracted to it but a low lite flame still attracts moths.

 A low powered mage is not safer then a normal or high powered one.

ALL magic is the Fade brought into the physical realm. A Dreamer is unique in that he can enter the Fade at will and conciously. That is his unique power.
And you dont get that I never said that the lesser mages wouldn't attract demons. I said that if you a have a goddamn bonfire, then your lighter wont make a ****ing difference. The lighter simply wont attract a single moth, when they are all distracted by the nearby bonfire.

If you are in a completly dark room, with the only source of light is the lighter, then it would attract the moths, however Thedas is filled with bonfires, and they attract all the moths.

Your not getting that all mages use magic. Even if it's a little it still attrats demons.  Your missing that fact her your saying that the chantry lets low level mages be and not part of the circle. That means that lighter is far away from that  bonfire....So much it can still attact moths.

That mean a lesser mage is still a danger. All those bond fires are in the circle and that lighter is left in the dark.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Plaintiff wrote...

We've seen non-mages get possessed. Many, in fact. They also inhabit corpses, animals and friggin' trees.

If demons truly had no interest in mundanes whatsoever, that wouldn't be happening. Rather, demons want to break through to the mortal plane, by any means necessary.

Magical power makes a target more attractive, as does political power or any other kind of power, but just because you prefer steak doesn't mean you won't eat a hamburger.

A demon does not, nor does it seem capable of, possessing a mundane from beyond the veil. They don't even seem to notice them in the Fade. Once a demon has broken through the Veil it can possess whatever it pleases, but even then it still prefers mages, but will possess anyhting, even dead things.

leaguer of one wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

*sigh* 

There is in-game proof that demons don't care about the magical power of the mage. Connor.

Jowan says he hadn't taught Connor much, and that Connor could barely cast a minor spell. Connor wasn't that powerful when he was approached by a Desire demon, one of the more powerful in the hierarchy. 

Gaider and other devs have acknowledged that demons care more about how much power a mage does have, but does not limit that to magical power. Connor was approached by a desire demon, not because of his magical power, but because of his potential political power as the only son of a powerful arl. 

They said taht the demons care about power. That was it. That could be magical, political and any other form of power. However they would still have to be a mage. A demon are still attracted more to mages gifted with powerful magical talents, as is proven by Feynriel. However, they will also, in some cases, settle for a mage of lesser talent, but more influential power.
And in the case of Circle amges, the least powerful of the Circle mages, or of such insignificance that they pose almost no danger of possession, as long as they stay in the Circle, since they hold no influence, and no magical power.

leaguer of one wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Qistina wrote...

"Weak Mage" term that being used is to portray a Mage that is weak, while there is no "weak Mage", that is why it is not accurate

"Weak Mage" is a term used to Mages that too scared of demons and want to go for Tranquility willingly or mages who get fooled by demons

That is not weak Mage, that is weak individual

Okay, I have a hard time understanding, why you have a hard time understanding...

A MAGE, ie. a person who can bring the Fade into the physical world in the form of magic, do so through his unique connection to the Fade. This connection varies from mage to mage. Some mages have a strong connection, enabling the mage incredible magical feats. Others have a very weak link, which barely even allows them to light a candle. Hence the term a "weak mage". Simply put, in this case, a weak mage, is a amge with a weak link to the Fade.
No amount of trainning, will ever increase the power of a mage's connection to the Fade. Trainning will only ever help him realize his full potential.

Wrong again. There is only one type of mage that can do that and those are rare dreamers.
 It matter not if the mage can connect to the fade or not. If they are a mage they attract demons not matter the power.
You're not getting that magic is like a flame  to a moth to demons, A less light flame is not going to detour demons. The brighter the flame the more moths are attracted to it but a low lite flame still attracts moths.

 A low powered mage is not safer then a normal or high powered one.

ALL magic is the Fade brought into the physical realm. A Dreamer is unique in that he can enter the Fade at will and conciously. That is his unique power.
And you dont get that I never said that the lesser mages wouldn't attract demons. I said that if you a have a goddamn bonfire, then your lighter wont make a ****ing difference. The lighter simply wont attract a single moth, when they are all distracted by the nearby bonfire.

If you are in a completly dark room, with the only source of light is the lighter, then it would attract the moths, however Thedas is filled with bonfires, and they attract all the moths.

Your not getting that all mages use magic. Even if it's a little it still attrats demons.  Your missing that fact her your saying that the chantry lets low level mages be and not part of the circle. That means that lighter is far away from that  bonfire....So much it can still attact moths.

That mean a lesser mage is still a danger. All those bond fires are in the circle and that lighter is left in the dark.

Physical distance means nothing to demons. The Fade have no measurement of distance, you are closer to what you want. Since demons want power, a powerful mage, will attract more demons, and a lesser mage will not. It is as simple as that.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Plaintiff wrote...

We've seen non-mages get possessed. Many, in fact. They also inhabit corpses, animals and friggin' trees.

If demons truly had no interest in mundanes whatsoever, that wouldn't be happening. Rather, demons want to break through to the mortal plane, by any means necessary.

Magical power makes a target more attractive, as does political power or any other kind of power, but just because you prefer steak doesn't mean you won't eat a hamburger.

I remeber 3 times it happened in all of the dragon age series, and one of them was because a demon was forcibly placed inside of them by blood magic.

[Plaintiff]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

We've seen non-mages get possessed. Many, in fact. They also inhabit corpses, animals and friggin' trees.

If demons truly had no interest in mundanes whatsoever, that wouldn't be happening. Rather, demons want to break through to the mortal plane, by any means necessary.

Magical power makes a target more attractive, as does political power or any other kind of power, but just because you prefer steak doesn't mean you won't eat a hamburger.

I remeber 3 times it happened in all of the dragon age series, and one of them was because a demon was forcibly placed inside of them by blood magic.

There've been hundreds. Every templar fought in the Ferelden Circle, every walking corpse or skeleton, every sylvan, was an individual example of a non-magical lifeform being posessed or otherwise under the influence of a demon.

As for the instance where the possession was forced; if demons had literally no interest whatsoever in non-mages, then they wouldn't acquiesce to living inside a non-mage. Why would the demon consent to being crammed into a worthless host? And if the mages can force it without the demon's consent, then it doesn't make sense for resisting demons to be so damn difficult.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 03 octobre 2013 - 03:07 .

[leaguer of one]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...




Physical distance means nothing to demons. The Fade have no measurement of distance, you are closer to what you want. Since demons want power, a powerful mage, will attract more demons, and a lesser mage will not. It is as simple as that.

Totally wrong. That is not how it works. The fade may have no measure of distace but a demon is not going to totaly ignore weaker mages. In fact in stoy is show they go after them as well. Sorry, it anyone with magic ability not the one with enogh power. Heck, it even says in the lore you stated the templar watch these low level mage just as well just in case. Why do you think they do?

[EmperorSahlertz]

leaguer of one wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...




Physical distance means nothing to demons. The Fade have no measurement of distance, you are closer to what you want. Since demons want power, a powerful mage, will attract more demons, and a lesser mage will not. It is as simple as that.

Totally wrong. That is not how it works. The fade may have no measure of distace but a demon is not going to totaly ignore weaker mages. In fact in stoy is show they go after them as well. Sorry, it anyone with magic ability not the one with enogh power. Heck, it even says in the lore you stated the templar watch these low level mage just as well just in case. Why do you think they do?

In the newest Dragon Age comic, it shows how the Fade works. The Fade will always guide you towards what you want. What demons want is power, thus the Fade will guide them towards powerful mages.

And yes of course they watch those low level mages, they are still mages after all, and thus will attract demons, however, the chance of that happening is so insignificant that it doesn't necessitate them being confined to the Circles. I never said that the weak mages didn't attract demons, all I said was that demons find the more powerful mages far more appetizing and thus polarize towards those.