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David Gaider: I don’t think we’ve ever presented the idea of a mage revolution as being the best answer with an obviously good resolution.


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I like this part the best-

I imagine many won’t believe that, preferring to believe I lean towards one side or the other— colored by their own preferences, just as those preferences color how they look on the arguments of others. And that’s fine.


Toward one side or the other. People patting him on the back here may adopt a much firmer hand if the red templars betray the writing to have this pro-freedom, anti-oppression bias that is so typical among privileged westerners.

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Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Navasha wrote...

DA2 was supposed to show the worst of the worst on both sides of the Mage-Templar conflict and Inquisition is supposedly going to start moving toward the direction of solving these issues, then I think breaking both sides up into smaller groups will likely be the answer.

Having the Templars split into the Red Templars, which will still showcase the arrogant, brutal, abusive Templars. Then have the remaining Templars painted in the light of Ser Thrask, who might actively oppose the Red Templars. This would give the player a clear understanding that not all Templars are villans.

A similar scenario with the mages would also seem likely then too. All the raving lunatic blood mages in group A, and all the competent sane mages like Bethany in Group B.

Maybe even have the Mage Group B and the "good" Templars all part of a single group, working together nicely. Perhaps that is what the Inquisition is meant to be.

All templars who do not break with the Order's position on imprisoning mages are villains. Nothing any game says will change that.


So glad your not on the Bioware team

Are you just following me around by this point?


Nope, I was reading the OP then saw your post

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Xilizhra wrote...
All templars who do not break with the Order's position on imprisoning mages are villains. Nothing any game says will change that.


This isn't how it works.

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I'm well aware of the difficulty of the situation. and that didn't stop me from picking a side very easily.


Sounds to me like you're projecting real world issues that people face to a fictional setting.

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Filament wrote...

I like this part the best-

I imagine many won’t believe that, preferring to believe I lean towards one side or the other— colored by their own preferences, just as those preferences color how they look on the arguments of others. And that’s fine.


Toward one side or the other. People patting him on the back here may adopt a much firmer hand if the red templars betray the writing to have this pro-freedom, anti-oppression bias that is so typical among privileged westerners.


What are you on about? To me this reads "People will read motives into whatever I write, and that is fine".

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 30 septembre 2013 - 01:18 .


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Ravensword wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I'm well aware of the difficulty of the situation. and that didn't stop me from picking a side very easily.


Sounds to me like you're projecting real world issues that people face to a fictional setting.


EQUALITY.

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To acquire equality we must sometimes stay at home and post on tumblr and BSN my friends.

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AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Navasha wrote...

DA2 was supposed to show the worst of the worst on both sides of the Mage-Templar conflict and Inquisition is supposedly going to start moving toward the direction of solving these issues, then I think breaking both sides up into smaller groups will likely be the answer.

Having the Templars split into the Red Templars, which will still showcase the arrogant, brutal, abusive Templars. Then have the remaining Templars painted in the light of Ser Thrask, who might actively oppose the Red Templars. This would give the player a clear understanding that not all Templars are villans.

A similar scenario with the mages would also seem likely then too. All the raving lunatic blood mages in group A, and all the competent sane mages like Bethany in Group B.

Maybe even have the Mage Group B and the "good" Templars all part of a single group, working together nicely. Perhaps that is what the Inquisition is meant to be.

All templars who do not break with the Order's position on imprisoning mages are villains. Nothing any game says will change that.


So glad your not on the Bioware team

Are you just following me around by this point?


Nope, I was reading the OP then saw your post

Don't lie you Xilmancer

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ScarMK wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I'm well aware of the difficulty of the situation. and that didn't stop me from picking a side very easily.


Sounds to me like you're projecting real world issues that people face to a fictional setting.


EQUALITY.


I'm supposed to do a shot whenever he says that word or the word "bigot."

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Xilizhra wrote...

Navasha wrote...

DA2 was supposed to show the worst of the worst on both sides of the Mage-Templar conflict and Inquisition is supposedly going to start moving toward the direction of solving these issues, then I think breaking both sides up into smaller groups will likely be the answer.

Having the Templars split into the Red Templars, which will still showcase the arrogant, brutal, abusive Templars. Then have the remaining Templars painted in the light of Ser Thrask, who might actively oppose the Red Templars. This would give the player a clear understanding that not all Templars are villans.

A similar scenario with the mages would also seem likely then too. All the raving lunatic blood mages in group A, and all the competent sane mages like Bethany in Group B.

Maybe even have the Mage Group B and the "good" Templars all part of a single group, working together nicely. Perhaps that is what the Inquisition is meant to be.

All templars who do not break with the Order's position on imprisoning mages are villains. Nothing any game says will change that.

I hope you never work on a rpg.

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Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Navasha wrote...

DA2 was supposed to show the worst of the worst on both sides of the Mage-Templar conflict and Inquisition is supposedly going to start moving toward the direction of solving these issues, then I think breaking both sides up into smaller groups will likely be the answer.

Having the Templars split into the Red Templars, which will still showcase the arrogant, brutal, abusive Templars. Then have the remaining Templars painted in the light of Ser Thrask, who might actively oppose the Red Templars. This would give the player a clear understanding that not all Templars are villans.

A similar scenario with the mages would also seem likely then too. All the raving lunatic blood mages in group A, and all the competent sane mages like Bethany in Group B.

Maybe even have the Mage Group B and the "good" Templars all part of a single group, working together nicely. Perhaps that is what the Inquisition is meant to be.

All templars who do not break with the Order's position on imprisoning mages are villains. Nothing any game says will change that.

I hope you never work on a rpg.

Intriguing. Do you advocate, too, for an even mix of good and evil darkspawn?

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J. Reezy wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Nope, I was reading the OP then saw your post

Don't lie you Xilmancer


The OP really should fix up the format some

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Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Navasha wrote...

DA2 was supposed to show the worst of the worst on both sides of the Mage-Templar conflict and Inquisition is supposedly going to start moving toward the direction of solving these issues, then I think breaking both sides up into smaller groups will likely be the answer.

Having the Templars split into the Red Templars, which will still showcase the arrogant, brutal, abusive Templars. Then have the remaining Templars painted in the light of Ser Thrask, who might actively oppose the Red Templars. This would give the player a clear understanding that not all Templars are villans.

A similar scenario with the mages would also seem likely then too. All the raving lunatic blood mages in group A, and all the competent sane mages like Bethany in Group B.

Maybe even have the Mage Group B and the "good" Templars all part of a single group, working together nicely. Perhaps that is what the Inquisition is meant to be.

All templars who do not break with the Order's position on imprisoning mages are villains. Nothing any game says will change that.

I hope you never work on a rpg.

Intriguing. Do you advocate, too, for an even mix of good and evil darkspawn?

Compairing men and women with free will to evil monsters created with the purpose to kill others. Seems legit.

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Why should there be good and evil darkspawn?

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Mr.House wrote...

Very good read. Good to see Bioware is not caving to the pro mages who think mages are innocent bunnies.


Being opposed to the Chantry controlled Circles and the Order of Templars doesn't mean that people think mages are 'innocent bunnies'.

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Compairing men and women with free will to evil monsters created with the purpose to kill others. Seems legit.

Even mix of good and evil Tevinter magisters if you'd rather.

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LobselVith8 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Very good read. Good to see Bioware is not caving to the pro mages who think mages are innocent bunnies.


Being opposed to the Chantry controlled Circles and the Order of Templars doesn't mean that people think mages are 'innocent bunnies'.

I never said all of them do, I said a vocal group do, and they know who they are.

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Morocco Mole wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
All templars who do not break with the Order's position on imprisoning mages are villains. Nothing any game says will change that.


This isn't how it works.


All Templars who break the Order's position on imprisoning mages are villians. Mages are first and foremost liabilities to society in the Dragon Age universe.

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Wait, an even spread of good and evil darkspawn? Really?

Modifié par dreamgazer, 30 septembre 2013 - 01:27 .


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Xilizhra wrote...

Compairing men and women with free will to evil monsters created with the purpose to kill others. Seems legit.

Even mix of good and evil Tevinter magisters if you'd rather.


Implying all Tevinter magisters are evil

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AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Compairing men and women with free will to evil monsters created with the purpose to kill others. Seems legit.

Even mix of good and evil Tevinter magisters if you'd rather.


Implying all Tevinter magisters are evil



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@LobselVith8: Then Mr.House wouldn't be talking about those people.

But if you think there are not certain posters on here that excuse any mage behavior because: bad day, hurt feelings, heard of some mage who once had a Templar say something mean - I think you're not paying attention.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 30 septembre 2013 - 01:24 .


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Herr Uhl wrote...

Filament wrote...

I like this part the best-

I imagine many won’t believe that, preferring to believe I lean towards one side or the other— colored by their own preferences, just as those preferences color how they look on the arguments of others. And that’s fine.


Toward one side or the other. People patting him on the back here may adopt a much firmer hand if the red templars betray the writing to have this pro-freedom, anti-oppression bias that is so typical among privileged westerners.


What are you on about? To me this reads "People will read motives into whatever I write, and that is fine".


I wasn't questioning what he wrote. It was more of an addendum, that people congratulating him for his neutrality are only so comfortable because at the moment they read a subtly pro-templar motive behind it, being that it only tears down the extreme of one side.

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Haha, I just figured it out, that's the Mask Salesman from MM in your avatar!

Tricky devil, you! :D

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Plaintiff wrote...

I'm well aware of the difficulty of the situation. and that didn't stop me from picking a side very easily.


It is very easy to pick sides when you ignore everything that does not support your impulsive predisposition.