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[CynicalShep]

KainD wrote...

Logic does not exist without emotion. It's a plothole really. One of the grudges I have with the current writting. 

I want to believe that you are not trolling. So are you saying that rational thought is impossible without emotion?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@KainD: Ahh - so, not much then.

Okay, moving on.

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So I suppose animals don't do much either then?

Unscientific anthropomorphism aside.

I'll have you know Mr. Harby kitty is quite capable of certain acts.

Spiteful ones being his main preference.

I take away his dead mouse he sh*ts in my shoe.

I don't feed him fast enough he grinds my relatives into paste and builds more Harby Kitties.

Fun times for all...

[KainD]

Medhia Nox wrote...

So I suppose animals don't do much either then?

Animals do have emotions. 

[Medhia Nox]

Do they normally cover emotion in Logic's courses?

Edit:  KainD.  They do?  Can you prove this?  Science has not proven this.  Have you told them what you know?

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 12 octobre 2013 - 04:54 .

[KainD]

CynicalShep wrote...

I want to believe that you are not trolling. So are you saying that rational thought is impossible without emotion?

Rationality is thinking/acting within a certain set of rules/bounds/logic/laws. For there to be rules, rules have to be made. Rules are also subjective and are made through emotion. 
Yes rational thoughts don't exist without emotions. To have any kind of opinion on any matter you have to care about it in the first place. 

[KainD]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Do they normally cover emotion in Logic's courses?

Edit:  KainD.  They do?  Can you prove this?  Science has not proven this.  Have you told them what you know?

Logic can FUNCTION without emotion, but it cannot EXIST without emotion. It's getting hard to explain, because we are going very deep. 
I haven't done any logic courses, I am just grasping to common sense, word meanings and experience. 

Animals having emotions is obvious. 

[leaguer of one]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Do they normally cover emotion in Logic's courses?

Edit:  KainD.  They do?  Can you prove this?  Science has not proven this.  Have you told them what you know?

Yes , science has. It's called watching them. All the selfaware animal have emotions. If dolphins can commit suicide then they clearly have emotions.

[Cainhurst Crow]

There are some rules that are certainly not subjective.

[Medhia Nox]

I see, so it's obvious animals have emotion.

But - you haven't spent much time around plants, or maybe not enough time for it to be obvious that they too have emotions.

But... PhD's the world over aren't sure if either have emotions - despite how obvious it is.

You are right - we ARE going deep.

[leaguer of one]

KainD wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

I want to believe that you are not trolling. So are you saying that rational thought is impossible without emotion?

Rationality is thinking/acting within a certain set of rules/bounds/logic/laws. For there to be rules, rules have to be made. Rules are also subjective and are made through emotion. 
Yes rational thoughts don't exist without emotions. To have any kind of opinion on any matter you have to care about it in the first place. 

That not true. Logic does not need emotion. What motavates logic is motive. Emotion is not the only thing that does that.

[KainD]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

There are some rules that are certainly not subjective.

Scientific laws that govern the universe? Yes. They have nothing to do with actions though. 

[leaguer of one]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I see, so it's obvious animals have emotion.

But - you haven't spent much time around plants, or maybe not enough time for it to be obvious that they too have emotions.

But... PhD's the world over aren't sure if either have emotions - despite how obvious it is.

You are right - we ARE going deep.

You mean plants that don't have a central nervous system of any kind? You might as well say coral may have emotions too but we have not studied them enough to see.<_<

[leaguer of one]

J. Reezy wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

If dolphins can commit suicide then they clearly have emotions.

What the heck does killing yourself have to do with validating a capacity for emotion?

Depression is an emotion. They killing themselves out of depression.

[KainD]

leaguer of one wrote...

That not true. Logic does not need emotion. What motavates logic is motive. Emotion is not the only thing that does that.

Motive - An emotion, desire, physiological need, or similar impulse that acts as an incitement to action.

Straight out of the dictionary. 

[leaguer of one]

KainD wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

There are some rules that are certainly not subjective.

Scientific laws that govern the universe? Yes. They have nothing to do with actions though. 

Yes, laws are not subjective....But theroies can be. Clearly when he says some rules that are certainly not subjective, he does not mean laws.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

CynicalShep wrote...

KainD wrote...

Logic does not exist without emotion. It's a plothole really. One of the grudges I have with the current writting. 

I want to believe that you are not trolling. So are you saying that rational thought is impossible without emotion?

What he's saying, I believe, is that without emotion you wouldn't bother at all. Irl, he's probably right. In game, he's probably still right, since I think the Tranquil have demonstrated that the Rite doesn't get it all.

[Medhia Nox]

@leaguer of one: I see, that's fascinating.

http://www.naturalhi...nts-have-brains

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10598926

http://www.nytimes.c...e-messages.html

[KainD]

Medhia Nox wrote...

But - you haven't spent much time around plants, or maybe not enough time for it to be obvious that they too have emotions.

To be fair though, emotions are caused by a chemical reactions in the brain, which plants don't really have. What plants have as far as I remember is just some diferent version of DNA, that dictates how they grow.

But really emotions are by all means physical. Which of course won't make sense in a fantasy world that somehow stops physical functions of the brain by cutting the person off from the fade..

[Cainhurst Crow]

KainD wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

There are some rules that are certainly not subjective.

Scientific laws that govern the universe? Yes. They have nothing to do with actions though. 

Sociological rules like the golden rule also exist. After all, those with all the money do in fact make the rules, we even pay them to make the rules we live by, even ones we don;t agree with.

But that is neither here or there, emotions are over-rated, and certainly not a neccisary point in which logic and reason need in order to exist.

[KainD]

leaguer of one wrote...

 Clearly when he says some rules that are certainly not subjective, he does not mean laws.

Rules are always subjective. 

[leaguer of one]

KainD wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

That not true. Logic does not need emotion. What motavates logic is motive. Emotion is not the only thing that does that.

Motive - An emotion, desire, physiological need, or similar impulse that acts as an incitement to action.

Straight out of the dictionary. 

Key word on "or". That means motive can be an emotion and also something else entirely. You can have a motive that has noting to do with emotion and a motive that 100% is cased by emotion. That means emotion is only an option not a necessity.

[KainD]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

But that is neither here or there, emotions are over-rated, and certainly not a neccisary point in which logic and reason need in order to exist.

Emotions are by definition care, attitude. You care for anything at all, and have any kind of opinion, only because you have emotions. 

[leaguer of one]

KainD wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

 Clearly when he says some rules that are certainly not subjective, he does not mean laws.

Rules are always subjective. 

.. Untill stated other wise. A  constant red light based on the rules of traffic is away stop. It's never any thing else. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

KainD wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

That not true. Logic does not need emotion. What motavates logic is motive. Emotion is not the only thing that does that.

Motive - An emotion, desire, physiological need, or similar impulse that acts as an incitement to action.

Straight out of the dictionary. 

Emotion can be a motive, but that doesn't mean emotion is the motive.

It's not the only thing that can motivate, and definatly not the primary thing in a lot of cases.