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[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Hey D. Kain can you start talking about how super cool fun forever Morinth was?

It was always fun when you got all goofy about that stuff.

[KainD]

leaguer of one wrote...
Key word on "or". That means motive can be an emotion and also something else entirely. You can have a motive that has noting to do with emotion and a motive that 100% is cased by emotion. That means emotion is only an option not a necessity.

It says ''or similar''. Which means that it is in the psychological field. There is no psychology without emotion. 

[KainD]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

It's not the only thing that can motivate, and definatly not the primary thing in a lot of cases.

Examples, please. I would really like some. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

KainD wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

But that is neither here or there, emotions are over-rated, and certainly not a neccisary point in which logic and reason need in order to exist.

Emotions are by definition care, attitude. You care for anything at all, and have any kind of opinion, only because you have emotions. 

I doubt that, and I doubt you can actually prove that.

[KainD]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Hey D. Kain can you start talking about how super cool fun forever Morinth was?

It was always fun when you got all goofy about that stuff.

It is off topic. 

[leaguer of one]

KainD wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

But that is neither here or there, emotions are over-rated, and certainly not a neccisary point in which logic and reason need in order to exist.

Emotions are by definition care, attitude. You care for anything at all, and have any kind of opinion, only because you have emotions. 

Not true, emotion at it very base level is an instict. It becaome more complex the more intelligent the being is. Less intelligent animal just have fear, anger, and indeferance. More intelligent animal start to have bias.

[Medhia Nox]

@leaguer of one: Didn't you just start that with... "until stated otherwise"? Isn't that kinda the definition of subjective?

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I didn't realize this forum had so many biologists, neuroscientists and psychologists in it.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 12 octobre 2013 - 05:12 .

[CynicalShep]

KainD wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

I want to believe that you are not trolling. So are you saying that rational thought is impossible without emotion?

Rationality is thinking/acting within a certain set of rules/bounds/logic/laws. For there to be rules, rules have to be made. Rules are also subjective and are made through emotion. 
Yes rational thoughts don't exist without emotions. To have any kind of opinion on any matter you have to care about it in the first place. 

And what does logic have to do with rules/bounds/laws? Logic is not bound by any of these things.

And logic =/= opinion. In fact, the two often clash (especially on BSN). Logic is based purely on facts while opinion implies bias. 

Lastly, you do need to care if you form an opinion. Since logic and opinion aren't synonyms this is also irrelevant.

[leaguer of one]

KainD wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

It's not the only thing that can motivate, and definatly not the primary thing in a lot of cases.

Examples, please. I would really like some. 

The tranquil guy in dao in the mage tower did not want to die duing the mage up rising. Why did he not want to die?

Modifié par leaguer of one, 12 octobre 2013 - 05:13 .

[leaguer of one]

J. Reezy wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

If dolphins can commit suicide then they clearly have emotions.

What the heck does killing yourself have to do with validating a capacity for emotion?

Depression is an emotion. They killing themselves out of depression.

Suicide is not attached to an emotion. There's plenty of reasons for it.

Of couse it is. It's attached to many emotions and reason. But at the end it still is motivated by emotion.

[Cainhurst Crow]

KainD wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

It's not the only thing that can motivate, and definatly not the primary thing in a lot of cases.

Examples, please. I would really like some. 

Alexithymia

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 12 octobre 2013 - 05:15 .

[KainD]

leaguer of one wrote...

Why did he not want to die?

No idea. It didn't make sense to me. As I said before in this thread. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

KainD wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Hey D. Kain can you start talking about how super cool fun forever Morinth was?

It was always fun when you got all goofy about that stuff.

It is off topic. 

Doesn't matter! Tell us all about how terribly misunderstood she was! With the innocent sex murdering and cult creating!

Tell us!

[leaguer of one]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@leaguer of one: Didn't you just start that with... "until stated otherwise"? Isn't that kinda the definition of subjective?

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I didn't realize this forum had so many biologists, neuroscientists and psychologists in it.

No, sujective means that a true difintion is not or never given.  It's like a varible. I'm saying the rules can be both objective and subjective based on the situation on hand.

[Cainhurst Crow]

KainD wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Why did he not want to die?

No idea. It didn't make sense to me. As I said before in this thread. 

Because survivng is a empirically superior state than death, and the tranquil know it. Unfortunately, they also lack the emotions of desperation or panic, so when he realized he couldn't get out, he went to the place most familiar with him due to psychological attachment, the storeroom. As far as I can tell, the emotional and psychological are two different things, with a lot of intersection. Remove one, and the other takes over fully.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

J. Reezy wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

If dolphins can commit suicide then they clearly have emotions.

What the heck does killing yourself have to do with validating a capacity for emotion?

Depression is an emotion. They killing themselves out of depression.

Suicide is not attached to an emotion. There's plenty of reasons for it.

One of the largest being emotion.

[leaguer of one]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

KainD wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Why did he not want to die?

No idea. It didn't make sense to me. As I said before in this thread. 

Because survivng is a empirically superior state than death, and the tranquil know it. Unfortunately, they also lack the emotions of desperation or panic, so when he realized he couldn't get out, he went to the place most familiar with him due to psychological attachment, the storeroom. As far as I can tell, the emotional and psychological are two different things, with a lot of intersection. Remove one, and the other takes over fully.

*Claps slowly.

This man wins.

[KainD]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Alexithymia

Those people are just very low on the emotional spectre, it doesn't mean that they lack emotions completely. Tranquility is an extreme. 

[KainD]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Because survivng is a empirically superior state than death, and the tranquil know it.

Which is bull, because a whole bunch of people consider death a better state, and do suicides. It's subjective. 

Modifié par KainD, 12 octobre 2013 - 05:23 .

[leaguer of one]

KainD wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Because survivng is a empirically superior state than death, and the tranquil know it.

Which is bull, because a whole bunch of people consider death a better state, and do suicides. It's subjective. 

That's a choice made with bias and emotiom. Remember emotion can over step the need to servive.

[Cainhurst Crow]

KainD wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Alexithymia

Those people are just very low on the emotional spectre, it doesn't mean that they lack emotions completely. Tranquility is an extreme. 

Tranquility and severe alexithymia seem the same to me.

[Cainhurst Crow]

KainD wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Because survivng is a empirically superior state than death, and the tranquil know it.

Which is bull, because a whole bunch of people consider death a better state, and do suicides. It's subjective. 

What's wrong little kainny wainny? Why are you getting so mad?

Suicide is the result of having an overly emotional state and being unable to cope with negative emotional feelings. It's where your emotions such as sorrow, greif, self-loathing, and dispair win out against logical reasoning and you give in to them.

Survival in the face of inescapable hardship is the antithesis of the overly emotional.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 12 octobre 2013 - 05:27 .

[KainD]

leaguer of one wrote...

That's a choice made with bias and emotiom. Remember emotion can over step the need to servive.

People only want to survive because they are emotionally afraid of death. 

[KainD]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

It's where your emotions such as sorrow, greif, self-loathing, and dispair win out against logical reasoning and you give in to them.

Right. Mind giving me some logical reasons on why living is better than being dead?