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Xilizhra wrote...
No, because mind control is, or at least can be, temporary.BlueMagitek wrote...
^^ Aren't you against tranquility when it and mind control operate on very similar if not the same level of morality?
..... I'm sorry what? Mind rape is better then death because it might end? SORRY, WHAT?
Filament wrote...
I wasn't questioning what he wrote. It was more of an addendum, that people congratulating him for his neutrality are only so comfortable because at the moment they read a subtly pro-templar motive behind it, being that it only tears down the extreme of one side.
Wrong. Heck the cure for tranquility was funded by the chantry. The only thing they resrtict is extensive demon research and blood magic research. The circle does train their mages to the point they can repeal demons and not miss use there magic.Plaintiff wrote...
On the contrary, the Circles have no interest in the former. The Chantry deliberately restricts magical research.Volus Warlord wrote...
And in Dragon Age, the Circles exist to both maximize the positive effects with training and minimize the negative with containment.
I'd hardly call that primitive. It's pretty intuitive risk management.
And they failed at the latter.
...*puts on Templar Armor*Mr.House wrote...
If you help the mages, all elves die. Bioware make it happen.
Tranquility can be reversed now too.Xilizhra wrote...
No, because mind control is, or at least can be, temporary.BlueMagitek wrote...
^^ Aren't you against tranquility when it and mind control operate on very similar if not the same level of morality?
Filament wrote...
I wasn't questioning what he wrote. It was more of an addendum, that people congratulating him for his neutrality are only so comfortable because at the moment they read a subtly pro-templar motive behind it, being that it only tears down the extreme of one side.
None of this has anything to do with what I said.leaguer of one wrote...
Someone needs to learn their are worst things then death.
Would you want to be alive is so much despeir, tomments and pain that you want to die or would rather die.
That's being forced on and flogged to nearly the point of death and then be nursed back to heath so they can do it again or chopping block...
Yes, but that's not how it's been historically been applied, or the intent of the Rite.iOnlySignIn wrote...
Tranquility can be reversed now too.Xilizhra wrote...
No, because mind control is, or at least can be, temporary.BlueMagitek wrote...
^^ Aren't you against tranquility when it and mind control operate on very similar if not the same level of morality?
*Help you put on armor.Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
...*puts on Templar Armor*Mr.House wrote...
If you help the mages, all elves die. Bioware make it happen.
Yes it does. Mind control can be pretty bad to be under.Plaintiff wrote...
None of this has anything to do with what I said.leaguer of one wrote...
Someone needs to learn their are worst things then death.
Would you want to be alive is so much despeir, tomments and pain that you want to die or would rather die.
That's being forced on and flogged to nearly the point of death and then be nursed back to heath so they can do it again or chopping block...
It does not matter how it was used befor now it can be reversed.Xilizhra wrote...
Yes, but that's not how it's been historically been applied, or the intent of the Rite.iOnlySignIn wrote...
Tranquility can be reversed now too.Xilizhra wrote...
No, because mind control is, or at least can be, temporary.BlueMagitek wrote...
^^ Aren't you against tranquility when it and mind control operate on very similar if not the same level of morality?
Plaintiff wrote...
On the contrary, the Circles have no interest in the former. The Chantry deliberately restricts magical research.Volus Warlord wrote...
And in Dragon Age, the Circles exist to both maximize the positive effects with training and minimize the negative with containment.
I'd hardly call that primitive. It's pretty intuitive risk management.
And they failed at the latter.
Well, no one had intended to reverse the Rite on him, and I was talking about permanence.Medhia Nox wrote...
@Xilizhra: So, after you ignore Owain, the most prominent Tranquil in the games who you can have a rather robust conversation with. Do tell, how has it been applied?
I'm not asking how it has been abused. That is separate no matter how much you want to lump the two together to support your fanaticism.
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Xilizhra wrote...
No, because mind control is, or at least can be, temporary.
Pathetic, last-minute flip-flopping from a desperate woman who was losing control of her subordinates. Not at all indicative of the Chantry's typical behaviour.leaguer of one wrote...
Wrong. Heck the cure for tranquility was funded by the chantry.
Which is why the Litany of Adralla was developed in Tevinter, and not in any country where it might actually have value.The only thing they resrtict is extensive demon research and blood magic research.
Yeah, that's worked out really well for them so far. Derp.The circle does train their mages to the point they can repeal demons and not miss use there magic.
That still defers the fact that it wasstill his choice to be traquil. Which means mages do choose it. Making him become untraquil would ignore his rights.Xilizhra wrote...
Well, no one had intended to reverse the Rite on him, and I was talking about permanence.Medhia Nox wrote...
@Xilizhra: So, after you ignore Owain, the most prominent Tranquil in the games who you can have a rather robust conversation with. Do tell, how has it been applied?
I'm not asking how it has been abused. That is separate no matter how much you want to lump the two together to support your fanaticism.
I would allow voluntary Tranquility... for a short trial period, after which it's removed and they can make an informed decision now that they know what both states are like. And if they actually prefer it, to go for it again.
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I'm a bit skeptical of "it failed on execution" being the catch-all for any gripe with the game, when it may be that their aim was simply different than someone expected it to be. People may voice support for the "grey morality" of portraying mage freedom as foolish without realizing it might also imply templar zealots will be portrayed negatively too.Herr Uhl wrote...
Filament wrote...
I wasn't questioning what he wrote. It was more of an addendum, that people congratulating him for his neutrality are only so comfortable because at the moment they read a subtly pro-templar motive behind it, being that it only tears down the extreme of one side.
They might be allieved that he doesn't have the aim to make this a subject of good vs evil. If it fails, that will be because he failed in his aim, not because it was meant to be black and white.
leaguer of one wrote...
He's taking about the movies. If he just watched the last 2 seasons of clone wars he would not say that.Mr.House wrote...
Agent and trooper story do grey better then DA.Darth Brotarian wrote...
Good and evil are best saved for star wars. This is dragon age, let meritocratic morality decide.
1."Pathetic, last-minute flip-flopping from a desperate woman who was losing control of her subordinates. Not at all indicative of the Chantry's typical behaviour."Plaintiff wrote...
Pathetic, last-minute flip-flopping from a desperate woman who was losing control of her subordinates. Not at all indicative of the Chantry's typical behaviour.leaguer of one wrote...
Wrong. Heck the cure for tranquility was funded by the chantry.Which is why the Litany of Adralla was developed in Tevinter, and not in any country where it might actually have value.The only thing they resrtict is extensive demon research and blood magic research.
Preventing people from researching blood magic and demons also prevents you from researching any effective way to combat them.Yeah, that's worked out really well for them so far. Derp.The circle does train their mages to the point they can repeal demons and not miss use there magic.
If mages are being trained to repel Demons, then how come a significant portion fail their Harrowing? How come a significant portion of mages are made Tranquil before even getting the chance?
If circle training was in any way effective, that wouldn't be happening.
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I'm just saying the star wars is starting to look more and more grey outsde of the movies.Darth Brotarian wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
He's taking about the movies. If he just watched the last 2 seasons of clone wars he would not say that.Mr.House wrote...
Agent and trooper story do grey better then DA.Darth Brotarian wrote...
Good and evil are best saved for star wars. This is dragon age, let meritocratic morality decide.
You trying to start something, buddy?
An uninformed choice is not a choice at all. Nobody actually knows what it means to be Tranquil, without experiencing it first hand, and the only examples we have of people's minds being restored resulted in them begging for death rather than return to that state.leaguer of one wrote...
That still defers the fact that it wasstill his choice to be traquil. Which means mages do choose it. Making him become untraquil would ignore his rights.Xilizhra wrote...
Well, no one had intended to reverse the Rite on him, and I was talking about permanence.Medhia Nox wrote...
@Xilizhra: So, after you ignore Owain, the most prominent Tranquil in the games who you can have a rather robust conversation with. Do tell, how has it been applied?
I'm not asking how it has been abused. That is separate no matter how much you want to lump the two together to support your fanaticism.
I would allow voluntary Tranquility... for a short trial period, after which it's removed and they can make an informed decision now that they know what both states are like. And if they actually prefer it, to go for it again.
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