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[leaguer of one]

cjones91 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@cjones91: I see, so their slavery is okay - but it's just the worst ever to do it to a mage.

You've answered my question.

And... I'm done.

,When have I implied in my post that I think slavery is okay?

It's because you said  Tivintor is no more evil then Orlias.

I agree with you on that.

I don't see how that part would suggest that I support slavery but whatever....Orlais and Tevinter are two sides of the same coin as far as I'm concerned.

I agree but some people see Tevinter as more evil just with the slavery alone. They need to note how Orlais legalized rape.

[Medhia Nox]

What I asked - was would you destroy Tevinter for non-mages like you want to rage across the rest of Thedas for mages.

And it still hasn't been answered.  I didn't ask if it "should" end - I asked if you would have the same reaction in a Tevinter campaign as you do for the Chantry driven Thedas side where mages are mistreated.

I believe the answer is no.

I believe people would post on here about how deeply nuanced Tevinter is with such dark themes like slavery... and ohh, isn't being a Tevinter magister so dark and edgy.

Rape isn't okay in Orlais or Tevinter - slavery shouldn't be okay in Orlais or Tevinter... but somehow, I do not believe the mage fanatics on these boards would do anything to stop Tevinter slavery.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 13 octobre 2013 - 04:30 .

[cjones91]

leaguer of one wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@cjones91: I see, so their slavery is okay - but it's just the worst ever to do it to a mage.

You've answered my question.

And... I'm done.

,When have I implied in my post that I think slavery is okay?

It's because you said  Tivintor is no more evil then Orlias.

I agree with you on that.

I don't see how that part would suggest that I support slavery but whatever....Orlais and Tevinter are two sides of the same coin as far as I'm concerned.

I agree but some people see Tevinter as more evil just with the slavery alone. They need to note how Orlais legalized rape.

And Orlais has their own form of slavery anf sex trafficking since I doubt Fiona was the only elven girl to be sold as a personal sex slave to Orlesian nobles.

Modifié par cjones91, 13 octobre 2013 - 04:34 .

[cjones91]

Medhia Nox wrote...

What I asked - was would you destroy Tevinter for non-mages like you want to rage across the rest of Thedas for mages.

And it still hasn't been answered.  I didn't ask if it "should" end - I asked if you would have the same reaction in a Tevinter campaign as you do for the Chantry driven Thedas side where mages are mistreated.

I believe the answer is no.

I believe people would post on here about how deeply nuanced Tevinter is with such dark themes like slavery... and ohh, isn't being a Tevinter magister so dark and edgy.

Rape isn't okay in Orlais or Tevinter - slavery shouldn't be okay in Orlais or Tevinter... but somehow, I do not believe the mage fanatics on these boards would do anything to stop Tevinter slavery.

I'm not a mage fanatic but I would still try to stop slavery in Tevinter and anywhere else.

[Laughing_Man]

Medhia Nox wrote...

What I asked - was would you destroy Tevinter for non-mages like you want to rage across the rest of Thedas for mages.

And it still hasn't been answered.  I didn't ask if it "should" end - I asked if you would have the same reaction in a Tevinter campaign as you do for the Chantry driven Thedas side where mages are mistreated.

I believe the answer is no.

I believe people would post on here about how deeply nuanced Tevinter is with such dark themes like slavery... and ohh, isn't being a Tevinter magister so dark and edgy.

Rape isn't okay in Orlais or Tevinter - slavery shouldn't be okay in Orlais or Tevinter... but somehow, I do not believe the mage fanatics on these boards would do anything to stop Tevinter slavery.

More assumptions on other people's behalf?
Can't you just accept that some people are against injustice where they see it, and will fight *the idea* of *evil* templars and *evil* Megisters with the same passion?
I know I would.

[Medhia Nox]

@cjones91: I know you're not btw (a mage fanatic that is) - "if" there ever comes a time to play in a Tevinter campaign - I do however look forward to you joining in me in discussion of crushing the Tevinter government and reforging a non-slave trading empire.

I will say this though.

Rape isn't policy in Orlais (please cite actually DA material to prove otherwise)... slaves and slave sacrifice is policy in Tevinter (I will provide DA material if it's actually required).

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@TheRedVipress:  "If' said theoretical game ever comes around - I look forward to you supporting the overthrow of the Tevinter magisters.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 13 octobre 2013 - 04:40 .

[leaguer of one]

Medhia Nox wrote...

What I asked - was would you destroy Tevinter for non-mages like you want to rage across the rest of Thedas for mages.

And it still hasn't been answered.  I didn't ask if it "should" end - I asked if you would have the same reaction in a Tevinter campaign as you do for the Chantry driven Thedas side where mages are mistreated.

I believe the answer is no.

I believe people would post on here about how deeply nuanced Tevinter is with such dark themes like slavery... and ohh, isn't being a Tevinter magister so dark and edgy.

Rape isn't okay in Orlais or Tevinter - slavery shouldn't be okay in Orlais or Tevinter... but somehow, I do not believe the mage fanatics on these boards would do anything to stop Tevinter slavery.

Why do you think that? You think that slavery in tervintor only happens to non-mages? I think you miss understand the point that Tevintor is no mare evil then Orlais. That means they are both bad. No one here is trying to make Tevintor sound better, we are just pointing out that Orlias is not better.

[Medhia Nox]

@leaguer of one: Did I say somewhere that Orlais was a paradise - or even "good"?

Did I even say that I'm pro-current Circles?

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 13 octobre 2013 - 04:42 .

[leaguer of one]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@cjones91: 

Rape isn't policy in Orlais (please cite actually DA material to prove otherwise)... slaves and slave sacrifice is policy in Tevinter (I will provide DA material if it's actually required).

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Liselle

"She and her brother had to leave Orlais and take refuge in Ferelden after a run-in with a chevalier. In Orlais, chevaliers are very highly respected knights; so highly respected that they are given the right to indulge in nearly every whim that strikes them, even ones that would otherwise be considered criminal. Liselle had attracted the eye of a certain chevalier, who used his privileged status as an excuse to try to rape her. "

[Medhia Nox]

You know, anyone with power can use a "privileged status" to do horrible things.

You know that's not the same as "Policy" yes?

A wealthy celebrity who could pay his way through a murder conviction - doesn't mean we (in America) have laws that say: "If you are a wealthy celebrity, we encourage you to use money to obtain freedom."

Knights and Samurai had this very same "priviledge" - it didn't mean local lords didn't punish them.  Anyone with more power who wishes to - could punish them.

It's likely the same in Orlais.

Ever hear of a crooked cop?  War crimes?  Those things are not "policy" - they're abuses of power.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 13 octobre 2013 - 04:47 .

[leaguer of one]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@leaguer of one: Did I say somewhere that Orlais was a paradise - or even "good"?

Did I even say that I'm pro-current Circles?

 I'm not saying that. My point was no make cj's point clear. You are the one who jump to conclusion on his point. You made it sound he was pro-Tevintor when he was not.

[cjones91]

Medhia Nox wrote...

You know, anyone with power can use a "privileged status" to do horrible things.

You know that's not the same as "Policy" yes?

A wealthy celebrity who could pay his way through a murder conviction - doesn't mean we (in America) have laws that say: "If you are a wealthy celebrity, we encourage you to use money to obtain freedom."

Knights and Samurai had this very same "priviledge" - it didn't mean local lords didn't punish them.  Anyone with more power who wishes to - could punish them.

It's likely the same in Orlais.

Ever hear of a crooked cop?  War crimes?  Those things are not "policy" - they're abuses of power.

In Orlais the nobility is allowed to do whatever they want including murder,ranpe and so on as long as they don't ****** off the Empress.

[leaguer of one]

Medhia Nox wrote...

You know, anyone with power can use a "privileged status" to do horrible things.

You know that's not the same as "Policy" yes?

A wealthy celebrity who could pay his way through a murder conviction - doesn't mean we (in America) have laws that say: "If you are a wealthy celebrity, we encourage you to use money to obtain freedom."

Knights and Samurai had this very same "priviledge" - it didn't mean local lords didn't punish them.  Anyone with more power who wishes to - could punish them.

It's likely the same in Orlais.

Ever hear of a crooked cop?  War crimes?  Those things are not "policy" - they're abuses of power.

Do you know this is a common thing in Orlias. Heck, in Stone Thone, the orlisen regent had a habit of turturing the people of fereldin.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 13 octobre 2013 - 04:54 .

[Xilizhra]

What I asked - was would you destroy Tevinter for non-mages like you want to rage across the rest of Thedas for mages.

Personally, I don't want to destroy any part of Thedas apart from the templars.

Rape isn't okay in Orlais or Tevinter - slavery shouldn't be okay in Orlais or Tevinter... but somehow, I do not believe the mage fanatics on these boards would do anything to stop Tevinter slavery.

Then you're silly.

Also, blood magic isn't policy in Tevinter either; it's still illegal.

[leaguer of one]

Xilizhra wrote...

Then you're silly.

Also, blood magic isn't policy in Tevinter either; it's still illegal.

They still do nothing to stop it. So saying that is pointless.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 13 octobre 2013 - 04:57 .

[cjones91]

leaguer of one wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

You know, anyone with power can use a "privileged status" to do horrible things.

You know that's not the same as "Policy" yes?

A wealthy celebrity who could pay his way through a murder conviction - doesn't mean we (in America) have laws that say: "If you are a wealthy celebrity, we encourage you to use money to obtain freedom."

Knights and Samurai had this very same "priviledge" - it didn't mean local lords didn't punish them.  Anyone with more power who wishes to - could punish them.

It's likely the same in Orlais.

Ever hear of a crooked cop?  War crimes?  Those things are not "policy" - they're abuses of power.

Do you know this is a common thing in Orlias. Heck, in Stone Thone, the orlisen regent had a habit of turturing the people of fereldin.

And his men raped the women including Loghain's mother.

[Hellion Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

What I asked - was would you destroy Tevinter for non-mages like you want to rage across the rest of Thedas for mages.

Personally, I don't want to destroy any part of Thedas apart from the templars.

Rape isn't okay in Orlais or Tevinter - slavery shouldn't be okay in Orlais or Tevinter... but somehow, I do not believe the mage fanatics on these boards would do anything to stop Tevinter slavery.

Then you're silly.

Also, blood magic isn't policy in Tevinter either; it's still illegal.

Illegal, but that law is pretty much ignored universely. As long as you are discreet, nobody cares. Lambert all but alluded to the fact that the Black Divine was a blood mage too.

Modifié par eluvianix, 13 octobre 2013 - 04:57 .

[Hellion Rex]

leaguer of one wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Then you're silly.

Also, blood magic isn't policy in Tevinter either; it's still illegal.

.....Um, you are very very wrong on that.

It is illegal actually, but it is a law that is pretty much ignored.

[cjones91]

leaguer of one wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Then you're silly.

Also, blood magic isn't policy in Tevinter either; it's still illegal.

.....Um, you are very very wrong on that.

It is "technically" illegal to use blood magic in Tevinter however they use it anyway.

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Then you're silly.

Also, blood magic isn't policy in Tevinter either; it's still illegal.

.....Um, you are very very wrong on that.

It is illegal actually, but it is a law that is pretty much ignored.

I already corrected myself.

[Hellion Rex]

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Then you're silly.

Also, blood magic isn't policy in Tevinter either; it's still illegal.

.....Um, you are very very wrong on that.

It is illegal actually, but it is a law that is pretty much ignored.

I already corrected myself.

Sorry, didn't see the edit.

[leaguer of one]

cjones91 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Then you're silly.

Also, blood magic isn't policy in Tevinter either; it's still illegal.

.....Um, you are very very wrong on that.

It is "technically" illegal to use blood magic in Tevinter however they use it anyway.

I already corrected myself.

[Xilizhra]

Illegal, but that law is pretty much ignored universely. As long as you are discreet, nobody cares. Lambert all but alluded to the fact that the Black Divine was a blood mage too.

Ignored like nobles raping commoners, mayhaps?

[Hellion Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

Illegal, but that law is pretty much ignored universely. As long as you are discreet, nobody cares. Lambert all but alluded to the fact that the Black Divine was a blood mage too.

Ignored like nobles raping commoners, mayhaps?

Bingo. As long as you have power in Thedas, it seems that quite a few people are willing to look the other way at some "questionable acts".