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[cjones91]

Xilizhra wrote...

Illegal, but that law is pretty much ignored universely. As long as you are discreet, nobody cares. Lambert all but alluded to the fact that the Black Divine was a blood mage too.

Ignored like nobles raping commoners, mayhaps?

Was'nt a Orlesian captain who was infamous for raping women exiled from Orlais?He was in Leliana's Song and it's implied he raped Leliana.

[Xilizhra]

cjones91 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Illegal, but that law is pretty much ignored universely. As long as you are discreet, nobody cares. Lambert all but alluded to the fact that the Black Divine was a blood mage too.

Ignored like nobles raping commoners, mayhaps?

Was'nt a Orlesian captain who was infamous for raping women exiled from Orlais?He was in Leliana's Song and it's implied he raped Leliana.

I thought he was Fereldan, and he definitely didn't seem noble.

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Illegal, but that law is pretty much ignored universely. As long as you are discreet, nobody cares. Lambert all but alluded to the fact that the Black Divine was a blood mage too.

Ignored like nobles raping commoners, mayhaps?

Bingo. As long as you have power in Thedas, it seems that quite a few people are willing to look the other way at some "questionable acts".

Yep. The problem was never Mages vs templar...But Nobles vs Commoners. Or more of the case of the  People who are incharge that misuse their power vs the ones who want free will to live there lives.

[leaguer of one]

Xilizhra wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Illegal, but that law is pretty much ignored universely. As long as you are discreet, nobody cares. Lambert all but alluded to the fact that the Black Divine was a blood mage too.

Ignored like nobles raping commoners, mayhaps?

Was'nt a Orlesian captain who was infamous for raping women exiled from Orlais?He was in Leliana's Song and it's implied he raped Leliana.

I thought he was Fereldan, and he definitely didn't seem noble.

Military man can become nobles as a reward.

[Gwydden]

Rayleigh, Vaughn, Howe and every freaking noble in Orlais are clear examples of how nobility can get away with pretty much anything in Thedas as long as it doesn't affect others high in the social pyramid.

[leaguer of one]

Gwydden wrote...

Rayleigh, Vaughn, Howe and every freaking noble in Orlais are clear examples of how nobility can get away with pretty much anything in Thedas as long as it doesn't affect others high in the social pyramid.

AKA....Down with the power!!!

[Xilizhra]

leaguer of one wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Illegal, but that law is pretty much ignored universely. As long as you are discreet, nobody cares. Lambert all but alluded to the fact that the Black Divine was a blood mage too.

Ignored like nobles raping commoners, mayhaps?

Was'nt a Orlesian captain who was infamous for raping women exiled from Orlais?He was in Leliana's Song and it's implied he raped Leliana.

I thought he was Fereldan, and he definitely didn't seem noble.

Military man can become nobles as a reward.

He was definitely Fereldan, and hated Orlesians.

[leaguer of one]

Xilizhra wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Illegal, but that law is pretty much ignored universely. As long as you are discreet, nobody cares. Lambert all but alluded to the fact that the Black Divine was a blood mage too.

Ignored like nobles raping commoners, mayhaps?

Was'nt a Orlesian captain who was infamous for raping women exiled from Orlais?He was in Leliana's Song and it's implied he raped Leliana.

I thought he was Fereldan, and he definitely didn't seem noble.

Military man can become nobles as a reward.

He was definitely Fereldan, and hated Orlesians.

I did not say he was not Fereldan. A militry man can becaome a noble as a reward in Fereldin, too.

[MisterJB]

Well, I for one have never seen parties of Chevaliers traveling to Ferelden or the Free Marches in search of women to rape. Tevinter slavers on the other hand...

[Xilizhra]

MisterJB wrote...

Well, I for one have never seen parties of Chevaliers traveling to Ferelden or the Free Marches in search of women to rape. Tevinter slavers on the other hand...

So something's only wrong if it'd done outside one's own national borders?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Xilizhra wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Illegal, but that law is pretty much ignored universely. As long as you are discreet, nobody cares. Lambert all but alluded to the fact that the Black Divine was a blood mage too.

Ignored like nobles raping commoners, mayhaps?

Was'nt a Orlesian captain who was infamous for raping women exiled from Orlais?He was in Leliana's Song and it's implied he raped Leliana.

I thought he was Fereldan, and he definitely didn't seem noble.

I think he was a landed knight who didn't get his land back after it was retrieved from the Orlesians because Maric realized he was a dick.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 13 octobre 2013 - 07:26 .

[Angrywolves]

The raping of Ferelden women happened back when Orlais ruled Ferelden .
Loghain refers to it in the Landsmeet.
I've always assumed the unspeakable things Leliana mentioned happening to her while she was imprisoned by the Orlesians included rape.
I hate rapists btw.
Seems sort of off topic doesn't it?

[cjones91]

MisterJB wrote...

Well, I for one have never seen parties of Chevaliers traveling to Ferelden or the Free Marches in search of women to rape. Tevinter slavers on the other hand...

You can't be serious?Fereldan women were terrorized by the chevaliers and Loghain can attest to that.

[MisterJB]

The raping of fereldan woman, while certainly horrible, happened during an occupation where the whole of Orlais was taking advantage of the whole of Ferelden; had the roles been reverted, it would be orlesian women being raped by ferelden men. But Chevaliers don't make it a routine business of going to foreign nations and enslaving its citizens like Tevinters do and if you want to determine which country is worse, then you should also take a look at their foreign policy.

Modifié par MisterJB, 13 octobre 2013 - 07:50 .

[leaguer of one]

MisterJB wrote...

The raping of fereldan woman, while certainly horrible, happened during an occupation where the whole of Orlais was taking advantage of the whole of Ferelden; had the roles been reverted, it would be orlesian women being raped by ferelden men. But Chevaliers don't make it a routine business of going to foreign nations and enslaving its citizens like Tevinters do and if you want to determine which country is worse, then you should also take a look at their foreign policy.

True, they what till a war happens to do it. Also, raiders and ciminals of the under world do it,too. That still does not mean Orlias is better then tevintor.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Wars aren't routine like Tevinter slaving operations. Also Chevaliers are hardly alone in doing terrible things during wars. There are many reasons Orlais is better than Tevinter.

[cjones91]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Wars aren't routine like Tevinter slaving operations. Also Chevaliers are hardly alone in doing terrible things during wars. There are many reasons Orlais is better than Tevinter.

Name them please?Because Orlais is just as corrupt as Tevinter.

[addiction21]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Wars aren't routine like Tevinter slaving operations. Also Chevaliers are hardly alone in doing terrible things during wars. There are many reasons Orlais is better than Tevinter.

But Tevinter has the Magisters so they get a pass.

[cjones91]

addiction21 wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Wars aren't routine like Tevinter slaving operations. Also Chevaliers are hardly alone in doing terrible things during wars. There are many reasons Orlais is better than Tevinter.

But Tevinter has the Magisters so they get a pass.

Says who?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

1- Tevinter has so many slaves that it would collapse without them. Orlais does not. And the "servants" it has are treated much better. They also are much greater participants in the existing slave trade.

2- Tevinter has conquered or destroyed many more nations than Orlais has.

3 - Tevinter is much more corrupt and decadent than Orlais and has much larger and more impoverished underclasses because it includes all non mages and the slaves beneath them.

4 - The Imperial Chantry has much more control of the state than the Andrastian Chantry, making Tevinter closer to a theocracy.

5 - Orlais is experiencing a cultural renaissance under Celene where anti slavery laws are being more enforced and edcuation and the arts are being emphasized, while Tevinter is slowly declining further and further.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 13 octobre 2013 - 08:17 .

[cjones91]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

1- Tevinter has so many slaves that it would collapse without them. Orlais does not. And the "servants" it has are treated much better. They also are much greater participants in the existing slave trade.

2- Tevinter has conquered or destroyed many more nations than Orlais has.

3 - Tevinter is much more corrupt and decadent than Orlais and has much larger and more impoverished underclasses because it includes all non mages and the slaves beneath them.

4 - The Imperial Chantry has much more control of the state than the Andrastian Chantry, making Tevinter closer to a theocracy.

Number 1 and 2 Orlais are guilty of as well.Hell there's a reason the elves are rebelling in Orlais since the largest Alienage there is also the worst when it comes to living conditions.

Orlais is so obsessed with their Grand Game that they can't stop fighting for one minute to see that everything is falling apart around them.

[Xilizhra]

4 - The Imperial Chantry has much more control of the state than the Andrastian Chantry, making Tevinter closer to a theocracy.

This is actually completely backwards. The Imperial Chantry is quite weak and completely dominated by the magisters.

[DKJaigen]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

1- Tevinter has so many slaves that it would collapse without them. Orlais does not. And the "servants" it has are treated much better. They also are much greater participants in the existing slave trade.

2- Tevinter has conquered or destroyed many more nations than Orlais has.

3 - Tevinter is much more corrupt and decadent than Orlais and has much larger and more impoverished underclasses because it includes all non mages and the slaves beneath them.

4 - The Imperial Chantry has much more control of the state than the Andrastian Chantry, making Tevinter closer to a theocracy.

5 - Orlais is experiencing a cultural renaissance under Celene where anti slavery laws are being more enforced and edcuation and the arts are being emphasized, while Tevinter is slowly declining further and further.

All speculation on your part. we have not seen orlais or tevinter and we have only heard chantry propaganda

[Hellion Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

4 - The Imperial Chantry has much more control of the state than the Andrastian Chantry, making Tevinter closer to a theocracy.

This is actually completely backwards. The Imperial Chantry is quite weak and completely dominated by the magisters.

Considering the Black Divine is a mage, it would be actually very strong.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's not speculation. It's been explicitly stated that The Imperium would collapse without slaves. The Codex also states that Tevinter is the biggest consumer of the slaves trade by far and that victims who go to Orlais are "lucky" because they are usually treated gently.

The Imperial Chantry is not weak because it is run by Magisters. It's powerful among the people of Tevinter, and it's strong because it's directly tied to the Magisterium.

The Codex entry on Tevinter talks about how corrupt and decadent it is. The Codex entry on Orlais talks about it's masks.

The power struggle between magisters is more brutal than the Orlesian Grand Game because it isn't bound by the pretext of honor and appearance. As a result more people are caught in the middle, especially since the blood of slaves directly fuels that power struggle. Killing of abusing servants doesn't help Orlesian nobles like it does Tevinter Magisters.

And my point was also that Orlais may have conquered other nations, but Tevinter conquered more so it's worse.