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[Jedi Master of Orion]

Her position on an elven nation doesn't have anything to do with retaking the Dales. I think she's said that she wants the dalish to rebuild Arlathan.

[Xilizhra]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Her position on an elven nation doesn't have anything to do with retaking the Dales. I think she's said that she wants the dalish to rebuild Arlathan.

Indeed. The Dales would be nice, but don't have any intrinsic connection with useful magic or anything of the sort. If they must be sacrificed for a better foundation elsewhere, I can handle that.

[Silfren]

MisterJB wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Without the aid of magic? And then there's the fact that only Grey Wardens can safely fight something with Tainted blood. (Given that the quote that this thread was started due to points out that that's far more dangerous than the games show, I really hope nobody tries to use the way PCs only get infected for plot reasons as evidence.)

Is it feasible at the moment? No but it's, theoretically, possible and Thedas should have about half a millenium until the next Blight and a lot can happen in that time.
In 500 years, we have gone from musquets to nuclear bombs and killer drones.

Theory shmeory.  The odds of being able to kill every last darkspawn, down to the last individual, is a difficult enough venture that it's not worth positing as a viable solution at all.   We even have lore indicating that during the Fourth Blight, humanity just assumed that all the darkspawn were gone because they killed so many, despite the fact that any number of dwarves could have corrected this misperception.  I personally don't trust anyone to be able to accurately declare that all darkspawn, all over the world, are completely killed off.  Any more than I would trust "scorched earth" technology which, even though it's the best chance of total darkspawn genocide, is likely to have a lot of "collateral damage," like, say, dwarves.

Besides, on the off chance that all darkspawn were suddenly annhilated and there were no Grey Wardens or ghouls, what precisely would happen to the archdemon's soul?  It can hardly be definitely stated that it would simply die off, since it doesn't just die off in the first place.  There's never been such a situation for anyone to test this theory.  That, actually, would be kind of an interesting scenario to play out.
 

[cjones91]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I don't defend a lot of positions Xil has, but those examples you quoted don't mean she said elves should wipe out humans.

Where do you think all of those humans in the Dales are going to be going? Neither scenario is going to be pleasant.

Humans have so much land at this point ,that to argue that they would be in trouble if they left a land that was never theirs to begin with is pretty out there.

[cjones91]

Silfren wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Without the aid of magic? And then there's the fact that only Grey Wardens can safely fight something with Tainted blood. (Given that the quote that this thread was started due to points out that that's far more dangerous than the games show, I really hope nobody tries to use the way PCs only get infected for plot reasons as evidence.)

Is it feasible at the moment? No but it's, theoretically, possible and Thedas should have about half a millenium until the next Blight and a lot can happen in that time.
In 500 years, we have gone from musquets to nuclear bombs and killer drones.

Theory shmeory.  The odds of being able to kill every last darkspawn, down to the last individual, is a difficult enough venture that it's not worth positing as a viable solution at all.   We even have lore indicating that during the Fourth Blight, humanity just assumed that all the darkspawn were gone because they killed so many, despite the fact that any number of dwarves could have corrected this misperception.  I personally don't trust anyone to be able to accurately declare that all darkspawn, all over the world, are completely killed off.  Any more than I would trust "scorched earth" technology which, even though it's the best chance of total darkspawn genocide, is likely to have a lot of "collateral damage," like, say, dwarves.

Besides, on the off chance that all darkspawn were suddenly annhilated and there were no Grey Wardens or ghouls, what precisely would happen to the archdemon's soul?  It can hardly be definitely stated that it would simply die off, since it doesn't just die off in the first place.  There's never been such a situation for anyone to test this theory.  That, actually, would be kind of an interesting scenario to play out.
 

Killing all darkspawn is impossible and to doom yourselves because you killed a effective weapon against them is beyond retarded.Anyone who advocates killing all mages while believing they can somehow defeat all darkspawn+two Old Gods...well they are not only retarded but suicidal as well.

[GodWood]

cjones91 wrote...
Humans have so much land at this point ,that to argue that they would be in trouble if they left a land that was never theirs to begin with is pretty out there.

This is an unbelievably stupid assertion.

Humans are not an organized, unified group. Uprooting and deporting an entire population to a foreign land is  undoubtedly going to cause suffering, hostility and discontent to those being uprooted, those being forced to accept the influx of refugees and those who are responsible for the forced exile.

I need not even point out the silliness of the "never theirs to begin with" argument.

Modifié par GodWood, 14 octobre 2013 - 01:28 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

cjones91 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Without the aid of magic? And then there's the fact that only Grey Wardens can safely fight something with Tainted blood. (Given that the quote that this thread was started due to points out that that's far more dangerous than the games show, I really hope nobody tries to use the way PCs only get infected for plot reasons as evidence.)

Is it feasible at the moment? No but it's, theoretically, possible and Thedas should have about half a millenium until the next Blight and a lot can happen in that time.
In 500 years, we have gone from musquets to nuclear bombs and killer drones.

Theory shmeory.  The odds of being able to kill every last darkspawn, down to the last individual, is a difficult enough venture that it's not worth positing as a viable solution at all.   We even have lore indicating that during the Fourth Blight, humanity just assumed that all the darkspawn were gone because they killed so many, despite the fact that any number of dwarves could have corrected this misperception.  I personally don't trust anyone to be able to accurately declare that all darkspawn, all over the world, are completely killed off.  Any more than I would trust "scorched earth" technology which, even though it's the best chance of total darkspawn genocide, is likely to have a lot of "collateral damage," like, say, dwarves.

Besides, on the off chance that all darkspawn were suddenly annhilated and there were no Grey Wardens or ghouls, what precisely would happen to the archdemon's soul?  It can hardly be definitely stated that it would simply die off, since it doesn't just die off in the first place.  There's never been such a situation for anyone to test this theory.  That, actually, would be kind of an interesting scenario to play out.
 

Killing all darkspawn is impossible and to doom yourselves because you killed a effective weapon against them is beyond retarded.Anyone who advocates killing all mages while believing they can somehow defeat all darkspawn+two Old Gods...well they are not only retarded but suicidal as well.

Well technology is superior in every way comparing to magic of course now in thedas technology is weak but eventually will become better and well fifth blight could be defeated without mages well thanks to warden but still.Magic is superfluous in thedas life and only brings disasters so flaws>>>>>>advantages. 

[Silfren]

GodWood wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
Humans have so much land at this point ,that to argue that they would be in trouble if they left a land that was never theirs to begin with is pretty out there.

This is an unbelievably stupid assertion.

Humans are not an organized, unified group. Uprooting and deporting an entire population to a foreign land is  undoubtedly going to cause suffering, hostility and discontent to those being uprooted, those being forced to accept the influx of refugees and those who are responsible for the forced exile.

I need not even point out the silliness of the "never theirs to begin with" argument.

So it's okay to do to Elves, and only becomes reprehensible when applied to humans?

[cjones91]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Without the aid of magic? And then there's the fact that only Grey Wardens can safely fight something with Tainted blood. (Given that the quote that this thread was started due to points out that that's far more dangerous than the games show, I really hope nobody tries to use the way PCs only get infected for plot reasons as evidence.)

Is it feasible at the moment? No but it's, theoretically, possible and Thedas should have about half a millenium until the next Blight and a lot can happen in that time.
In 500 years, we have gone from musquets to nuclear bombs and killer drones.

Theory shmeory.  The odds of being able to kill every last darkspawn, down to the last individual, is a difficult enough venture that it's not worth positing as a viable solution at all.   We even have lore indicating that during the Fourth Blight, humanity just assumed that all the darkspawn were gone because they killed so many, despite the fact that any number of dwarves could have corrected this misperception.  I personally don't trust anyone to be able to accurately declare that all darkspawn, all over the world, are completely killed off.  Any more than I would trust "scorched earth" technology which, even though it's the best chance of total darkspawn genocide, is likely to have a lot of "collateral damage," like, say, dwarves.

Besides, on the off chance that all darkspawn were suddenly annhilated and there were no Grey Wardens or ghouls, what precisely would happen to the archdemon's soul?  It can hardly be definitely stated that it would simply die off, since it doesn't just die off in the first place.  There's never been such a situation for anyone to test this theory.  That, actually, would be kind of an interesting scenario to play out.
 

Killing all darkspawn is impossible and to doom yourselves because you killed a effective weapon against them is beyond retarded.Anyone who advocates killing all mages while believing they can somehow defeat all darkspawn+two Old Gods...well they are not only retarded but suicidal as well.

Well technology is superior in every way comparing to magic of course now in thedas technology is weak but eventually will become better and well fifth blight could be defeated without mages well thanks to warden but still.Magic is superfluous in thedas life and only brings disasters so flaws>>>>>>advantages. 

Magic can do more good if people were'nt so damn ignorant and actually let mages prove that they aren't monsters.Besides technology won't help against beings that can ruin everything that's near them.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Theory shmeory.  The odds of being able to kill every last darkspawn, down to the last individual, is a difficult enough venture that it's not worth positing as a viable solution at all.   We even have lore indicating that during the Fourth Blight, humanity just assumed that all the darkspawn were gone because they killed so many, despite the fact that any number of dwarves could have corrected this misperception.  I personally don't trust anyone to be able to accurately declare that all darkspawn, all over the world, are completely killed off.  Any more than I would trust "scorched earth" technology which, even though it's the best chance of total darkspawn genocide, is likely to have a lot of "collateral damage," like, say, dwarves.

Besides, on the off chance that all darkspawn were suddenly annhilated and there were no Grey Wardens or ghouls, what precisely would happen to the archdemon's soul?  It can hardly be definitely stated that it would simply die off, since it doesn't just die off in the first place.  There's never been such a situation for anyone to test this theory.  That, actually, would be kind of an interesting scenario to play out.
 

Killing all darkspawn is impossible and to doom yourselves because you killed a effective weapon against them is beyond retarded.Anyone who advocates killing all mages while believing they can somehow defeat all darkspawn+two Old Gods...well they are not only retarded but suicidal as well.

Well technology is superior in every way comparing to magic of course now in thedas technology is weak but eventually will become better and well fifth blight could be defeated without mages well thanks to warden but still.Magic is superfluous in thedas life and only brings disasters so flaws>>>>>>advantages. 

How does that work in the context of Gaider not intending to ever introduce handheld firearms to the setting?

[cjones91]

Silfren wrote...

GodWood wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
Humans have so much land at this point ,that to argue that they would be in trouble if they left a land that was never theirs to begin with is pretty out there.

This is an unbelievably stupid assertion.

Humans are not an organized, unified group. Uprooting and deporting an entire population to a foreign land is  undoubtedly going to cause suffering, hostility and discontent to those being uprooted, those being forced to accept the influx of refugees and those who are responsible for the forced exile.

I need not even point out the silliness of the "never theirs to begin with" argument.

So it's okay to do to Elves, and only becomes reprehensible when applied to humans?

Aren't  double standards fun?Next thing he will say is it's somehow wrong to launch a attack on human lands and force them to live as nomads but the elves deserve it.

[Silfren]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Without the aid of magic? And then there's the fact that only Grey Wardens can safely fight something with Tainted blood. (Given that the quote that this thread was started due to points out that that's far more dangerous than the games show, I really hope nobody tries to use the way PCs only get infected for plot reasons as evidence.)

Is it feasible at the moment? No but it's, theoretically, possible and Thedas should have about half a millenium until the next Blight and a lot can happen in that time.
In 500 years, we have gone from musquets to nuclear bombs and killer drones.

Theory shmeory.  The odds of being able to kill every last darkspawn, down to the last individual, is a difficult enough venture that it's not worth positing as a viable solution at all.   We even have lore indicating that during the Fourth Blight, humanity just assumed that all the darkspawn were gone because they killed so many, despite the fact that any number of dwarves could have corrected this misperception.  I personally don't trust anyone to be able to accurately declare that all darkspawn, all over the world, are completely killed off.  Any more than I would trust "scorched earth" technology which, even though it's the best chance of total darkspawn genocide, is likely to have a lot of "collateral damage," like, say, dwarves.

Besides, on the off chance that all darkspawn were suddenly annhilated and there were no Grey Wardens or ghouls, what precisely would happen to the archdemon's soul?  It can hardly be definitely stated that it would simply die off, since it doesn't just die off in the first place.  There's never been such a situation for anyone to test this theory.  That, actually, would be kind of an interesting scenario to play out.
 

Killing all darkspawn is impossible and to doom yourselves because you killed a effective weapon against them is beyond retarded.Anyone who advocates killing all mages while believing they can somehow defeat all darkspawn+two Old Gods...well they are not only retarded but suicidal as well.

Well technology is superior in every way comparing to magic of course now in thedas technology is weak but eventually will become better and well fifth blight could be defeated without mages well thanks to warden but still.Magic is superfluous in thedas life and only brings disasters so flaws>>>>>>advantages. 

Saying that technology is superior to magic is kind of a very silly claim for reasons I'd hope are obvious.  Beyond that, the Fifth Blight could NOT be defeated without mages....magic is a requirement of the Joining, and there's the fact that mages are a vital weapon in the fight against darkspawn in general.  Not to mention they are the only edge Thedas has against the Qunari.  Claiming that magic only brings disasters ignores both those points and also the fact that magic is the best source of healing technology presently in Thedas.

[cjones91]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Theory shmeory.  The odds of being able to kill every last darkspawn, down to the last individual, is a difficult enough venture that it's not worth positing as a viable solution at all.   We even have lore indicating that during the Fourth Blight, humanity just assumed that all the darkspawn were gone because they killed so many, despite the fact that any number of dwarves could have corrected this misperception.  I personally don't trust anyone to be able to accurately declare that all darkspawn, all over the world, are completely killed off.  Any more than I would trust "scorched earth" technology which, even though it's the best chance of total darkspawn genocide, is likely to have a lot of "collateral damage," like, say, dwarves.

Besides, on the off chance that all darkspawn were suddenly annhilated and there were no Grey Wardens or ghouls, what precisely would happen to the archdemon's soul?  It can hardly be definitely stated that it would simply die off, since it doesn't just die off in the first place.  There's never been such a situation for anyone to test this theory.  That, actually, would be kind of an interesting scenario to play out.
 

Killing all darkspawn is impossible and to doom yourselves because you killed a effective weapon against them is beyond retarded.Anyone who advocates killing all mages while believing they can somehow defeat all darkspawn+two Old Gods...well they are not only retarded but suicidal as well.

Well technology is superior in every way comparing to magic of course now in thedas technology is weak but eventually will become better and well fifth blight could be defeated without mages well thanks to warden but still.Magic is superfluous in thedas life and only brings disasters so flaws>>>>>>advantages. 

How does that work in the context of Gaider not intending to ever introduce handheld firearms to the setting?

Exactly,killing all mages and somehow hoping to defeat the next two Blights without them is beyond insane.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Theory shmeory.  The odds of being able to kill every last darkspawn, down to the last individual, is a difficult enough venture that it's not worth positing as a viable solution at all.   We even have lore indicating that during the Fourth Blight, humanity just assumed that all the darkspawn were gone because they killed so many, despite the fact that any number of dwarves could have corrected this misperception.  I personally don't trust anyone to be able to accurately declare that all darkspawn, all over the world, are completely killed off.  Any more than I would trust "scorched earth" technology which, even though it's the best chance of total darkspawn genocide, is likely to have a lot of "collateral damage," like, say, dwarves.

Besides, on the off chance that all darkspawn were suddenly annhilated and there were no Grey Wardens or ghouls, what precisely would happen to the archdemon's soul?  It can hardly be definitely stated that it would simply die off, since it doesn't just die off in the first place.  There's never been such a situation for anyone to test this theory.  That, actually, would be kind of an interesting scenario to play out.
 

Killing all darkspawn is impossible and to doom yourselves because you killed a effective weapon against them is beyond retarded.Anyone who advocates killing all mages while believing they can somehow defeat all darkspawn+two Old Gods...well they are not only retarded but suicidal as well.

Well technology is superior in every way comparing to magic of course now in thedas technology is weak but eventually will become better and well fifth blight could be defeated without mages well thanks to warden but still.Magic is superfluous in thedas life and only brings disasters so flaws>>>>>>advantages. 

How does that work in the context of Gaider not intending to ever introduce handheld firearms to the setting?

In game we probably we don't see that but i doubt that universe will go hundreds of years into the future but humanity goes forward at least some individuals so eventually someone will discover it , magic doesn't improve normal person life so humanity will goes in technology.


good example in that we have in fable and humans moving forward despite magic.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 14 octobre 2013 - 01:45 .

[cjones91]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Theory shmeory.  The odds of being able to kill every last darkspawn, down to the last individual, is a difficult enough venture that it's not worth positing as a viable solution at all.   We even have lore indicating that during the Fourth Blight, humanity just assumed that all the darkspawn were gone because they killed so many, despite the fact that any number of dwarves could have corrected this misperception.  I personally don't trust anyone to be able to accurately declare that all darkspawn, all over the world, are completely killed off.  Any more than I would trust "scorched earth" technology which, even though it's the best chance of total darkspawn genocide, is likely to have a lot of "collateral damage," like, say, dwarves.

Besides, on the off chance that all darkspawn were suddenly annhilated and there were no Grey Wardens or ghouls, what precisely would happen to the archdemon's soul?  It can hardly be definitely stated that it would simply die off, since it doesn't just die off in the first place.  There's never been such a situation for anyone to test this theory.  That, actually, would be kind of an interesting scenario to play out.
 

Killing all darkspawn is impossible and to doom yourselves because you killed a effective weapon against them is beyond retarded.Anyone who advocates killing all mages while believing they can somehow defeat all darkspawn+two Old Gods...well they are not only retarded but suicidal as well.

Well technology is superior in every way comparing to magic of course now in thedas technology is weak but eventually will become better and well fifth blight could be defeated without mages well thanks to warden but still.Magic is superfluous in thedas life and only brings disasters so flaws>>>>>>advantages. 

How does that work in the context of Gaider not intending to ever introduce handheld firearms to the setting?

In game we probably we don't see that but i doubt that universe will go hundreds of years into the future but humanity goes forward at least some individuals so eventually someone will discover it , magic doesn't improve normal person life so humanity will goes in technology.

So I guess Healing magic does'nt count as improving lives huh?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

cjones91 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

GodWood wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
Humans have so much land at this point ,that to argue that they would be in trouble if they left a land that was never theirs to begin with is pretty out there.

This is an unbelievably stupid assertion.

Humans are not an organized, unified group. Uprooting and deporting an entire population to a foreign land is  undoubtedly going to cause suffering, hostility and discontent to those being uprooted, those being forced to accept the influx of refugees and those who are responsible for the forced exile.

I need not even point out the silliness of the "never theirs to begin with" argument.

So it's okay to do to Elves, and only becomes reprehensible when applied to humans?

Aren't  double standards fun?Next thing he will say is it's somehow wrong to launch a attack on human lands and force them to live as nomads but the elves deserve it.

No. The point is that it's wrong to do it elves therefore it's also wrong to do it humans. If you think what happened to the elves is wrong, but think that the elves should reclaim the Dales and force all humans there off their lands then THAT is the double standard.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 14 octobre 2013 - 01:47 .

[GodWood]

cjones91 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

GodWood wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
Humans have so much land at this point ,that to argue that they would be in trouble if they left a land that was never theirs to begin with is pretty out there.

This is an unbelievably stupid assertion.

Humans are not an organized, unified group. Uprooting and deporting an entire population to a foreign land is undoubtedly going to cause suffering, hostility and discontent to those being uprooted, those being forced to accept the influx of refugees and those who are responsible for the forced exile.

I need not even point out the silliness of the "never theirs to begin with" argument.

So it's okay to do to Elves, and only becomes reprehensible when applied to humans?

Aren't double standards fun? Next thing he will say is it's somehow wrong to launch a attack on human lands and force them to live as nomads but the elves deserve it.

I am quite honestly dumbfounded by these two responses.

- cjones says forced deportation of the human populace would be practically consequence free.
- I explain why it obviously would not.
- Ergo I must support the exportation of elves from their homeland.

Modifié par GodWood, 14 octobre 2013 - 01:47 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

cjones91 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Theory shmeory.  The odds of being able to kill every last darkspawn, down to the last individual, is a difficult enough venture that it's not worth positing as a viable solution at all.   We even have lore indicating that during the Fourth Blight, humanity just assumed that all the darkspawn were gone because they killed so many, despite the fact that any number of dwarves could have corrected this misperception.  I personally don't trust anyone to be able to accurately declare that all darkspawn, all over the world, are completely killed off.  Any more than I would trust "scorched earth" technology which, even though it's the best chance of total darkspawn genocide, is likely to have a lot of "collateral damage," like, say, dwarves.

Besides, on the off chance that all darkspawn were suddenly annhilated and there were no Grey Wardens or ghouls, what precisely would happen to the archdemon's soul?  It can hardly be definitely stated that it would simply die off, since it doesn't just die off in the first place.  There's never been such a situation for anyone to test this theory.  That, actually, would be kind of an interesting scenario to play out.
 

Killing all darkspawn is impossible and to doom yourselves because you killed a effective weapon against them is beyond retarded.Anyone who advocates killing all mages while believing they can somehow defeat all darkspawn+two Old Gods...well they are not only retarded but suicidal as well.

Well technology is superior in every way comparing to magic of course now in thedas technology is weak but eventually will become better and well fifth blight could be defeated without mages well thanks to warden but still.Magic is superfluous in thedas life and only brings disasters so flaws>>>>>>advantages. 

How does that work in the context of Gaider not intending to ever introduce handheld firearms to the setting?

In game we probably we don't see that but i doubt that universe will go hundreds of years into the future but humanity goes forward at least some individuals so eventually someone will discover it , magic doesn't improve normal person life so humanity will goes in technology.

So I guess Healing magic does'nt count as improving lives huh?

barely humanity could live without that and only small group of peoples have access to that and technology can surpass magic even in that . 

[cjones91]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

GodWood wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
Humans have so much land at this point ,that to argue that they would be in trouble if they left a land that was never theirs to begin with is pretty out there.

This is an unbelievably stupid assertion.

Humans are not an organized, unified group. Uprooting and deporting an entire population to a foreign land is  undoubtedly going to cause suffering, hostility and discontent to those being uprooted, those being forced to accept the influx of refugees and those who are responsible for the forced exile.

I need not even point out the silliness of the "never theirs to begin with" argument.

So it's okay to do to Elves, and only becomes reprehensible when applied to humans?

Aren't  double standards fun?Next thing he will say is it's somehow wrong to launch a attack on human lands and force them to live as nomads but the elves deserve it.

No. The point is that it's wrong to do it elves therefore it's also wrong to do it humans. If you think what happened to the elves is wrong, but think that the elves should reclaim the Dales and force all humans there off their lands then THAT is the double standard.

Personally I would see it as karma but I don't really care if the elves get back the Dales or not.What I do care about is this notion that if the elves forced the humans off the Dales that it's somehow worse that what happened to them ten times over during the past couple of centuries.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...


How does that work in the context of Gaider not intending to ever introduce handheld firearms to the setting?

In game we probably we don't see that but i doubt that universe will go hundreds of years into the future but humanity goes forward at least some individuals so eventually someone will discover it , magic doesn't improve normal person life so humanity will goes in technology.

good example in that we have in fable and humans moving forward despite magic.

Okay. Now what does this have to do with what a player should do in-game, since in context Gaider's made pretty clear he's not going to move technology forward far enough to match magic in the space of these games? Never mind the shakiness of saying that even modern level tech would be enough to get every single darkspawn.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 14 octobre 2013 - 01:57 .

[cjones91]

[quote]GodWood wrote...

[quote]cjones91 wrote...
[quote]Silfren wrote...
[quote]GodWood wrote...
[quote]cjones91 wrote...
Humans have so much land at this point ,that to argue that they would be in trouble if they left a land that was never theirs to begin with is pretty out there.[/quote]This is an unbelievably stupid assertion.

Humans are not an organized, unified group. Uprooting and deporting an entire population to a foreign land is undoubtedly going to cause suffering, hostility and discontent to those being uprooted, those being forced to accept the influx of refugees and those who are responsible for the forced exile.

I need not even point out the silliness of the "never theirs to begin with" argument.[/quote]So it's okay to do to Elves, and only becomes reprehensible when applied to humans?[/quote]Aren't double standards fun? Next thing he will say is it's somehow wrong to launch a attack on human lands and force them to live as nomads but the elves deserve it.[/quote]I am quite honestly dumbfounded by these two responses.

- cjones says forced deportation of the human populace would be practically consequence free.
- I explain why it obviously would not.
- Ergo I must support the exportation of elves from their homeland.[/quoteHumans were'nt complaining when they stole the Dales from the elves so they don't get to whine when the same thing happens to them.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

cjones91 wrote...

Humans were'nt complaining when they stole the Dales from the elves so they don't get to whine when the same thing happens to them.

That wouldn't work logically even if it was the same humans who stole the Dales being forcibly uprooted.

[GodWood]

cjones91 wrote...
Personally I would see it as karma

Expelling a population of oppressed peasants who had no involvement in an even that happened hundreds of years ago?

Humans weren't complaining when they stole the Dales from the elves so they don't get to whine when the same thing happens to them.

Oh I see. You support the primitive idea that people inherit the sins of their fathers ergo you must support the subjugation and domination of the mage populace for inflicting the darkspawn on the world.

Stupid and misguided but whatever keeps you in line.

Modifié par GodWood, 14 octobre 2013 - 02:01 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

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Okay. Now what does this have to do with what a player should do in-game, since in context Gaider's made pretty clear he's not going to move technology forward far enough to match magic in the space of these games?

it is like saying that atheists don't exist in da humanity will go forward unless we have world with bizarre rules and da world is more or less like our peoples still have that same desires and flaws like in our so peoples are like in our world. 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 14 octobre 2013 - 02:00 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Okay. Now what does this have to do with what a player should do in-game, since in context Gaider's made pretty clear he's not going to move technology forward far enough to match magic in the space of these games?

it is like saying that atheists don't exist in da humanity will go forward unless we have world with bizarre rules and da world is more or less like our peoples still have that same desires and flaws like in our so peoples are like in our world. 

That doesn't answer the question. How exactly is the fact that Thedas will one day have modern technology that can kill every single darkspawn (and I don't think the people who advocate for this comprehend how dangerous the darkspawn are, nor how hard you'll have to look to be sure you've got them all) relevant to a medieval tech Inquisitor who's trying to decide what to do with the mages?

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 14 octobre 2013 - 02:03 .