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[BlueMagitek]

So the gift of (to my knowledge) uninhabited land (or inhabited by barbarians) with no former human lord to quarrel with over is a bad thing when the Dalish are more or less squatters with no land or prestige of their own?

Man, talk about handing a starving man a sandwich only to be told they only consume the finest kobe beef.

[Xilizhra]

BlueMagitek wrote...

So the gift of (to my knowledge) uninhabited land (or inhabited by barbarians) with no former human lord to quarrel with over is a bad thing when the Dalish are more or less squatters with no land or prestige of their own?

Man, talk about handing a starving man a sandwich only to be told they only consume the finest kobe beef.

Well, it's also blighted. So, you know.

[TEWR]

BlueMagitek wrote...

And Merrill.  Well skilled woodworkers would most certainly be able to make at least some money over ten years.

True, and Ilen does say humans have come for his goods.

But they don't seem to have sold much as the years progressed, particularly from the scathing distrust many locals exhibited towards the Dalish (a few dialogue things in DAII point to this), plus the Templars and Chantry priests threatening the Dalish aren't exactly going to make them want to seel weapons and armor and whatnot.

Oh?  Well it's Alistair, considering the Dalish didn't kill Duncan he has all the heartstrings left to pull.  But if there were Dalish at Ostagar, phew, man, he'd be more for killing them off than Shale protecting Cairdan. 

Only if they were calling the shots (and they would've been in the right if they had decided to bugger out of there when **** hit the fan).

Seriously though, with just an implication that can still range from there being a natural disaster and humans didn't help to humans being actively hostile (which would be very weird because to get there they'd more or less need to go through blighted lands.... not really worth the effort).

I recall that

Natural disaster? Like an earthquake? If it was as simple as an ND, Bioware would've told us that in DAII. It'd actually be rather... dull if they kept that a secret.

And Humans don't just live on the side opposite Blighted lands. They live all around the nation, so they wouldn't necessarily have had to go tromping through Darkspawn-tainted lands.

[TEWR]

Silfren wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

I'm so sorry that being given a fair amount of land isn't the greatest gift ever for being one of the allies recruited to help defend Ferelden. Clearly Anora should have gifted the the Dales, not being in her territory and all.

Looks like Leaguer disagrees about it being a bug. ~_^

You can't see how being given lands worthless to humans isn't really an awesome gift?  It's basically a way of saying "well, sincethis land is worthless to me and my people, and nobody wants it anyway, and therefore none of my subjects will be terribly put out over it, I can totally afford to oh-so-generously give you this worthless stretch of land."

Still, whether it was good or not objectively doesn't really matter, as the Dalish were just happy they had land of their own in the first place for the first time in... seven centuries.

Now, if the land started tainting them -- it is tainted, but whether tainted land taints people I dunno -- then things get to be really ****ed up.

[leaguer of one]

Xilizhra wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

So the gift of (to my knowledge) uninhabited land (or inhabited by barbarians) with no former human lord to quarrel with over is a bad thing when the Dalish are more or less squatters with no land or prestige of their own?

Man, talk about handing a starving man a sandwich only to be told they only consume the finest kobe beef.

Well, it's also blighted. So, you know.

All of fereldin is blighted.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Silfren wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

It was a gift to all the Dalish, not just the Sabrae Clan. After all, Merrill said they had heard the Dalish were given land. How could that be if it was only for them and they never went?

We don't know what went wrong. All Alistair's dialouge seems to imply is that he believes it's something he could and still should make up to the Dalish becuase he owes it to the Hero of Ferelden.

Wait?  Is that how that dialogue goes down?  Merrill says that her clan heard the Dalish were given land?  Now that IS odd, since it was that clan's Keeper who was present when the boon was granted.

That only happens if the Warden makes the Ultimate Sacrifice. Otherwise the boon is presented to the Hero of Ferelden, and Ashalle is the only other Dalish there. She makes a point of being excited to tell the Keeper. It is a little wierd, but I think the implication is that Marathari had decided to move the clan north already by then so instead of rejoining them, Ashalle and the Dalish Warden joined up with the other clans in the Hinterlands.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 14 octobre 2013 - 04:07 .

[TEWR]

leaguer of one wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

So the gift of (to my knowledge) uninhabited land (or inhabited by barbarians) with no former human lord to quarrel with over is a bad thing when the Dalish are more or less squatters with no land or prestige of their own?

Man, talk about handing a starving man a sandwich only to be told they only consume the finest kobe beef.

Well, it's also blighted. So, you know.

All of fereldin is blighted.

Not all. Just most. Most of the Bannorn suffered, but the Bannorn is not all of Ferelden. There's also Highever and Amaranthine and Gwaren, all of whom (among other areas) managed to stay Blight-free.

[Silfren]

BlueMagitek wrote...

So the gift of (to my knowledge) uninhabited land (or inhabited by barbarians) with no former human lord to quarrel with over is a bad thing when the Dalish are more or less squatters with no land or prestige of their own?

Man, talk about handing a starving man a sandwich only to be told they only consume the finest kobe beef.

Except it's more like handing a starving man a sandwich laden with worms and mud rather than meat...it's an act of spite more than anything, even if the monarch has genuinely good intentions.  Where the hell you get your version is beyond me, because that's not even remotely the case--the Dalish were given the WORST land, not the best, which is my entire point.  The monarch of Ferelden could afford to give them the Hinterlands ONLY because it wasn't worth anything to Ferelden.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
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Well as i m too lazy i will cut that. 

1.sketch in leliana song and da 2 , olivia , and best senior enchanter who couldn't handle few spiders.

2.No how about that with slavers or sketch who have to surrender because few peoples and he had warrior on his side , and scene when mages fight with templars in da 2.

3.we see that he running because they chase him and as well in leliana song.Templars are just another peoples who kick mage you know what.

Well mages trained in combat in circle few sooooooo... mage is strong only with blood magic or when mage is veteran trained very well in combat. 

[Silfren]

leaguer of one wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

So the gift of (to my knowledge) uninhabited land (or inhabited by barbarians) with no former human lord to quarrel with over is a bad thing when the Dalish are more or less squatters with no land or prestige of their own?

Man, talk about handing a starving man a sandwich only to be told they only consume the finest kobe beef.

Well, it's also blighted. So, you know.

All of fereldin is blighted.

Not all of it, exactly, and the further south you go the worse it gets.  The Hinterlands would be the region most disastrously impacted.

[leaguer of one]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

So the gift of (to my knowledge) uninhabited land (or inhabited by barbarians) with no former human lord to quarrel with over is a bad thing when the Dalish are more or less squatters with no land or prestige of their own?

Man, talk about handing a starving man a sandwich only to be told they only consume the finest kobe beef.

Well, it's also blighted. So, you know.

All of fereldin is blighted.

Not all. Just most. Most of the Bannorn suffered, but the Bannorn is not all of Ferelden. There's also Highever and Amaranthine and Gwaren, all of whom (among other areas) managed to stay Blight-free.

...Untill da:awakening...

 The north weat is the only place not effected by the blight.

[BlueMagitek]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

True, and Ilen does say humans have come for his goods.

But they don't seem to have sold much as the years progressed, particularly from the scathing distrust many locals exhibited towards the Dalish (a few dialogue things in DAII point to this), plus the Templars and Chantry priests threatening the Dalish aren't exactly going to make them want to seel weapons and armor and whatnot.

Natural disaster? Like an earthquake? If it was as simple as an ND, Bioware would've told us that in DAII. It'd actually be rather... dull if they kept that a secret.

And Humans don't just live on the side opposite Blighted lands. They live all around the nation, so they wouldn't necessarily have had to go tromping through Darkspawn-tainted lands.

Oh it doesn't need to be weapons and armor; I'm sure a silver tounged wordsmith would be more than happy to sell fine pieces of Dalish "history" to nobility with too much money to spend.

Earthquake, tornado, mutated fishmen rising from the nearby Lake due to mutations from lyrium used at the Circle Tower; not everything needs to be tremendous to make an impact.  Heck, it's near Ostagar, they could have been caught by swooping barbarians.

Eh, the Dalish displayed some ability to turn back the Blight, at least to an extent (Dalish Warden DA:O, Merrill DA:2) and the Circle was researching it at the time of Awakening.

[leaguer of one]

Silfren wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

So the gift of (to my knowledge) uninhabited land (or inhabited by barbarians) with no former human lord to quarrel with over is a bad thing when the Dalish are more or less squatters with no land or prestige of their own?

Man, talk about handing a starving man a sandwich only to be told they only consume the finest kobe beef.

Well, it's also blighted. So, you know.

All of fereldin is blighted.

Not all of it, exactly, and the further south you go the worse it gets.  The Hinterlands would be the region most disastrously impacted.

The south, south east and parts if the north east were effect the most in DAO. The rest of the north east was effected in DA:A.
 Only the north west was not effected....Which is th eplace the DA:I demoo took place.

[Silfren]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

It was a gift to all the Dalish, not just the Sabrae Clan. After all, Merrill said they had heard the Dalish were given land. How could that be if it was only for them and they never went?

We don't know what went wrong. All Alistair's dialouge seems to imply is that he believes it's something he could and still should make up to the Dalish becuase he owes it to the Hero of Ferelden.

Wait?  Is that how that dialogue goes down?  Merrill says that her clan heard the Dalish were given land?  Now that IS odd, since it was that clan's Keeper who was present when the boon was granted.

That only happens if the Warden makes the Ultimate Sacrifice. Otherwise the boon is presented to the Hero of Ferelden, and Ashalle is the only other Dalish there. She makes a point of being excited to tell the Keeper. It is a little wierd, but I think the implication is that Marathari had decided to move the clan north already by then so instead of rejoining them, Ashalle and the Dalish Warden joined up with the other clans in the Hinterlands.

Ah.  I thought Marethari herself was present at the castle if the Dalish Warden survived.   I still think it's odd, though, because it seems odd that Marethari would still have been in Ferelden for the funeral but would have moved on by that time if the Warden hadn't died.  All in all it seems odd that Marethari wouldn't simply wait for Ashalle to rejoin her, and that Ashalle wouldn't simply travel to meet that clan rather than re-joining her clan.  They're workable explanations, I'll grant, but they seem more writing oversights than anything else.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
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Well as i m too lazy i will cut that. 

1.sketch in leliana song and da 2 , olivia , and best senior enchanter who couldn't handle few spiders.

If you're going to cite Olivia, do so with evidence she knows how to fight using magic. As for the Senior Enchanter, she's new at the job and trying to not draw attention to the problem.

2.No how about that with slavers or sketch who have to surrender because few peoples and he had warrior on his side , and scene when mages fight with templars in da 2.

Could you please actually make yourself understood? As for Templars, they are actively trained and given magical powers themselves in order to shut down magic. A Templar taking on a mage isn't proof of magic being weak. Stop citing it as evidence thereof. It isn't.

3.we see that he running because they chase him and as well in leliana song.Templars are just another peoples who kick mage you know what.

If you have a gun, you still have to fear a bunch of swordsmen. Same principle, as you would know if you actually read and comprehended the points you think you're answering.

Well mages trained in combat in circle few sooooooo... mage is strong only with blood magic or when mage is veteran trained very well in combat. 

Could you please restate the evidence that you drew this from? It seems your saying magic is weak because only a few mages are trained in combat, and that is not evidence of the point you're making.

Edit: Another point against your argument: if magic is weak, why has the mage rebellion not failed... basically immediately? Your counterargument will be that if magic wasn't weak, it would have happened sooner, to which I must respond that the mages didn't really want it before. It was the Annulments at Kirkwall and Rivain, plus the actions of Lord Seeker Lambert that drove the rebellion, and even then the final vote for independence was kind of shady.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 14 octobre 2013 - 04:26 .

[Silfren]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
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Well as i m too lazy i will cut that. 

1.sketch in leliana song and da 2 , olivia , and best senior enchanter who couldn't handle few spiders.

If you're going to cite Olivia, do so with evidence she knows how to fight using magic. As for the Senior Enchanter, she's new at the job and trying to not draw attention to the problem.

2.No how about that with slavers or sketch who have to surrender because few peoples and he had warrior on his side , and scene when mages fight with templars in da 2.

Could you please actually make yourself understood? As for Templars, they are actively trained and given magical powers themselves in order to shut down magic. A Templar taking on a mage isn't proof of magic being weak. Stop citing it as evidence thereof. It isn't.

3.we see that he running because they chase him and as well in leliana song.Templars are just another peoples who kick mage you know what.

If you have a gun, you still have to fear a bunch of swordsmen. Same principle, as you would know if you actually read and comprehended the points you think you're answering.

Well mages trained in combat in circle few sooooooo... mage is strong only with blood magic or when mage is veteran trained very well in combat. 

Could you please restate the evidence that you drew this from? It seems your saying magic is weak because only a few mages are trained in combat, and that is not evidence of the point you're making.

Edit: Another point against your argument: if magic is weak, why has the mage rebellion not failed... basically immediately? Your counterargument will be that if magic wasn't weak, it would have happened sooner, to which I must respond that the mages didn't really want it before. It was the Annulments at Kirkwall and Rivain, plus the actions of Lord Seeker Lambert that drove the rebellion, and even then the final vote for independence was kind of shady.

There's also Tevinter.  The bottom line is their perception that magic is weak is completely invalid.  The lore is clear that magic is quite powerful.

[dragonflight288]

Silfren wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
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Well as i m too lazy i will cut that. 

1.sketch in leliana song and da 2 , olivia , and best senior enchanter who couldn't handle few spiders.

If you're going to cite Olivia, do so with evidence she knows how to fight using magic. As for the Senior Enchanter, she's new at the job and trying to not draw attention to the problem.

2.No how about that with slavers or sketch who have to surrender because few peoples and he had warrior on his side , and scene when mages fight with templars in da 2.

Could you please actually make yourself understood? As for Templars, they are actively trained and given magical powers themselves in order to shut down magic. A Templar taking on a mage isn't proof of magic being weak. Stop citing it as evidence thereof. It isn't.

3.we see that he running because they chase him and as well in leliana song.Templars are just another peoples who kick mage you know what.

If you have a gun, you still have to fear a bunch of swordsmen. Same principle, as you would know if you actually read and comprehended the points you think you're answering.

Well mages trained in combat in circle few sooooooo... mage is strong only with blood magic or when mage is veteran trained very well in combat. 

Could you please restate the evidence that you drew this from? It seems your saying magic is weak because only a few mages are trained in combat, and that is not evidence of the point you're making.

Edit: Another point against your argument: if magic is weak, why has the mage rebellion not failed... basically immediately? Your counterargument will be that if magic wasn't weak, it would have happened sooner, to which I must respond that the mages didn't really want it before. It was the Annulments at Kirkwall and Rivain, plus the actions of Lord Seeker Lambert that drove the rebellion, and even then the final vote for independence was kind of shady.

There's also Tevinter.  The bottom line is their perception that magic is weak is completely invalid.  The lore is clear that magic is quite powerful.

Why, oh why do people feel like ignoring the lore about how powerful magic is, simply to justify their need to rid the world of it out of fear of demons?

There's also another benefit to magic beyond healing, and one that is far more reaching than healing one or two people.

We know from the lore that blood mages aren't the only ones capable of sundering the veil. The Veil in the Brecilian forest was sundered due to war long ago. The Rivaini Chantry sundered the veil with their localized Exalted March on the Qunari who refused to leave because the violence and slaughter was so large-scale.

In the games, books and comics, I have yet to see a single instance, or even hear rumors of a single instance, of a non-mage being able to mend the veil where it is torn. You'd need someone with a great deal of experience with the Fade, likely a Spirit Mage, but you would need a mage.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
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Well as i m too lazy i will cut that. 

1.sketch in leliana song and da 2 , olivia , and best senior enchanter who couldn't handle few spiders.

If you're going to cite Olivia, do so with evidence she knows how to fight using magic. As for the Senior Enchanter, she's new at the job and trying to not draw attention to the problem.

2.No how about that with slavers or sketch who have to surrender because few peoples and he had warrior on his side , and scene when mages fight with templars in da 2.

Could you please actually make yourself understood? As for Templars, they are actively trained and given magical powers themselves in order to shut down magic. A Templar taking on a mage isn't proof of magic being weak. Stop citing it as evidence thereof. It isn't.

3.we see that he running because they chase him and as well in leliana song.Templars are just another peoples who kick mage you know what.

If you have a gun, you still have to fear a bunch of swordsmen. Same principle, as you would know if you actually read and comprehended the points you think you're answering.

Well mages trained in combat in circle few sooooooo... mage is strong only with blood magic or when mage is veteran trained very well in combat. 

Could you please restate the evidence that you drew this from? It seems your saying magic is weak because only a few mages are trained in combat, and that is not evidence of the point you're making.

Edit: Another point against your argument: if magic is weak, why has the mage rebellion not failed... basically immediately? Your counterargument will be that if magic wasn't weak, it would have happened sooner, to which I must respond that the mages didn't really want it before. It was the Annulments at Kirkwall and Rivain, plus the actions of Lord Seeker Lambert that drove the rebellion, and even then the final vote for independence was kind of shady.

1.She was on higest position in circle except first enchanter first we have apprentice , next normal mage and next enchanter then senior enchanter she wasn't new at least in being mage and spiders was problem for her.

2.I gave you example spells that mages use during that weak and not rly useful.

3.if you have gun you kill them not run and scream like little girl simple. 

4.Well you already have examples but you refuse take them because for some reason they don't want use their superpowerful death lasers just prefer lose or die.
Rebelion failed templars crushed them they live because leliana let them go now templars have to find them because they hide in in the woods or others places and well i guess that many become blood mages and abomnations what is massive power up.And that was not because mages don't want freedom because they knew that they don't have chance now they don't have choice fight or die. 

Silfren wrote...



There's also Tevinter.  The
bottom line is their perception that magic is weak is completely
invalid.  The lore is clear that magic is quite powerful.

as i said blood magic what is massive power up and still tevinter have problems with qunari so well.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 14 octobre 2013 - 04:45 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

[quote]TheKomandorShepard wrote...

[quote]Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

[quote]TheKomandorShepard wrote...

1.sketch in leliana song and da 2 , olivia , and best senior enchanter who couldn't handle few spiders. [/quote]

If you're going to cite Olivia, do so with evidence she knows how to fight using magic. As for the Senior Enchanter, she's new at the job and trying to not draw attention to the problem.

[quote]
2.No how about that with slavers or sketch who have to surrender because few peoples and he had warrior on his side , and scene when mages fight with templars in da 2.[/quote]

Could you please actually make yourself understood? As for Templars, they are actively trained and given magical powers themselves in order to shut down magic. A Templar taking on a mage isn't proof of magic being weak. Stop citing it as evidence thereof. It isn't.

[quote]
3.we see that he running because they chase him and as well in leliana song.Templars are just another peoples who kick mage you know what.[/quote]

If you have a gun, you still have to fear a bunch of swordsmen. Same principle, as you would know if you actually read and comprehended the points you think you're answering.

[quote]
Well mages trained in combat in circle few sooooooo... mage is strong only with blood magic or when mage is veteran trained very well in combat. 
[/quote]

Could you please restate the evidence that you drew this from? It seems your saying magic is weak because only a few mages are trained in combat, and that is not evidence of the point you're making.

Edit: Another point against your argument: if magic is weak, why has the mage rebellion not failed... basically immediately? Your counterargument will be that if magic wasn't weak, it would have happened sooner, to which I must respond that the mages didn't really want it before. It was the Annulments at Kirkwall and Rivain, plus the actions of Lord Seeker Lambert that drove the rebellion, and even then the final vote for independence was kind of shady.[/quote]

1.She was on higest position in circle except first enchanter first we have apprentice , next normal mage and next enchanter then senior enchanter she wasn't new at least in being mage and spiders was problem for her.[/quote]

Because she didn't want to draw attention to the problem.

[quote]
2.I gave you example spells that mages use during that weak and not rly useful. [/quote]

If you're talking about the flamethrower, you must have not been paying attention. Also, this has nothing to do with the point it cooresponds to, which nothing you have said answers.

[quote]
3.if you have gun you kill them not run and scream like little girl simple. [/quote]

Against several people? That's the sort of advice that might get you killed. Especially if they don't all bunch of like morons.

[quote]

4.Well you already have examples but you refuse take them because for some reason they don't want use their superpowerful death lasers just prefer lose or die.
Rebelion failed templars crushed them they live because leliana let them go now templars have to find them because they hide in in the woods or others places and well i guess that many become blood mages and abomnations what is massive power up.And that was not because mages don't want freedom because they knew that they don't have chance now they don't have choice fight or die.  [/quote]

Even were that the case, (it might be, I haven't read Asunder) that still would be less of a point in your favor than you credit it for. Templars are given magic specifically to block mages powers.

[quote]
[quote]Silfren wrote...
There's also Tevinter.  The 
bottom line is their perception that magic is weak is completely
invalid.  The lore is clear that magic is quite powerful.
[/quote]

as i said blood magic what is massive power up and still tevinter have problems with qunari so well.
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The other Circles were holding their own without it.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 14 octobre 2013 - 04:59 .

[Silfren]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
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Well as i m too lazy i will cut that. 

1.sketch in leliana song and da 2 , olivia , and best senior enchanter who couldn't handle few spiders.

If you're going to cite Olivia, do so with evidence she knows how to fight using magic. As for the Senior Enchanter, she's new at the job and trying to not draw attention to the problem.

2.No how about that with slavers or sketch who have to surrender because few peoples and he had warrior on his side , and scene when mages fight with templars in da 2.

Could you please actually make yourself understood? As for Templars, they are actively trained and given magical powers themselves in order to shut down magic. A Templar taking on a mage isn't proof of magic being weak. Stop citing it as evidence thereof. It isn't.

3.we see that he running because they chase him and as well in leliana song.Templars are just another peoples who kick mage you know what.

If you have a gun, you still have to fear a bunch of swordsmen. Same principle, as you would know if you actually read and comprehended the points you think you're answering.

Well mages trained in combat in circle few sooooooo... mage is strong only with blood magic or when mage is veteran trained very well in combat. 

Could you please restate the evidence that you drew this from? It seems your saying magic is weak because only a few mages are trained in combat, and that is not evidence of the point you're making.

Edit: Another point against your argument: if magic is weak, why has the mage rebellion not failed... basically immediately? Your counterargument will be that if magic wasn't weak, it would have happened sooner, to which I must respond that the mages didn't really want it before. It was the Annulments at Kirkwall and Rivain, plus the actions of Lord Seeker Lambert that drove the rebellion, and even then the final vote for independence was kind of shady.

1.She was on higest position in circle except first enchanter first we have apprentice , next normal mage and next enchanter then senior enchanter she wasn't new at least in being mage and spiders was problem for her.

2.I gave you example spells that mages use during that weak and not rly useful.

3.if you have gun you kill them not run and scream like little girl simple. 

4.Well you already have examples but you refuse take them because for some reason they don't want use their superpowerful death lasers just prefer lose or die.
Rebelion failed templars crushed them they live because leliana let them go now templars have to find them because they hide in in the woods or others places and well i guess that many become blood mages and abomnations what is massive power up.And that was not because mages don't want freedom because they knew that they don't have chance now they don't have choice fight or die.

The point about guns is that eventually you run out of ammo, and in most cases, you'll run out of it fairly quickly.  Swordsmen don't have that problem, and one gunman against six swordsman is still kind crap odds if said gunman isn't a crack shot and extremely damned fast.

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Silfren wrote...
There's also Tevinter.  The
bottom line is their perception that magic is weak is completely
invalid.  The lore is clear that magic is quite powerful.

as i said blood magic what is massive power up and still tevinter have problems with qunari so well.

There's more to Tevinter than blood magic.  Which isn't to say I'm unaware that blood magic use is rampant there.  But you are flat out wrong to claim that magic not powered by blood is weak. The lore trumps you on this, plain and simple.

You're also forgetting that the Qunari have mages of their own, and even though it kind of looks like they cripple their mages' power, they DO use them in combat.

Modifié par Silfren, 14 octobre 2013 - 04:57 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Snipping quotes are a thing don'tcha know?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Snipping quotes are a thing don'tcha know?

Do you know how long some of the pyramids on the previous page would be if I didn't?

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 14 octobre 2013 - 05:02 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
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1.Wait what she didn't want draw attention and she didn't kill spiders because of that but she sends the warden to kill them wait what?

2.?

3.well not that we heard about rampages by one guy who killed dozens with gun.

4.corry vs non mage hawke finisher shows that not only templars can avoide spells.

5.again back to sketch who was trained in combat mage but can't handle few guys with warrior on his side. 

6.Where and how?

Silfren wrote...
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1. trained person would shoot them without problems and sketch was trained.
2.Is that well probably is but country still is alive only because blood magic and well and is fueled by that not officially of course.Qunari doesn't waste resources thats why. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Silfren wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

That only happens if the Warden makes the Ultimate Sacrifice. Otherwise the boon is presented to the Hero of Ferelden, and Ashalle is the only other Dalish there. She makes a point of being excited to tell the Keeper. It is a little wierd, but I think the implication is that Marathari had decided to move the clan north already by then so instead of rejoining them, Ashalle and the Dalish Warden joined up with the other clans in the Hinterlands.

Ah.  I thought Marethari herself was present at the castle if the Dalish Warden survived.   I still think it's odd, though, because it seems odd that Marethari would still have been in Ferelden for the funeral but would have moved on by that time if the Warden hadn't died.  All in all it seems odd that Marethari wouldn't simply wait for Ashalle to rejoin her, and that Ashalle wouldn't simply travel to meet that clan rather than re-joining her clan.  They're workable explanations, I'll grant, but they seem more writing oversights than anything else.

Yeah the Dalish story does stretch continuity a little bit, especially for elves who said they intended to return to their clan, like mine. But Merrill says that the clan heard Mahariel slew the Archdemon and become the Hero of Ferelden but nothing more, Alistair says the the Hero of Ferelden still travels to and from Denerim by 9:37 Dragon, and Mary Kirby said Ashalle was in Ferelden managing the Dalish Boon. So  the best headcanon explanation I could come up with was that the Warden and Ashalle (perhaps being eachother's only family in Sabrae Clan) stayed in Ferelden with the other Dalish clans gathering to settle in the Hinterlands while Marathari moved the clan north before hearing about the boon. It does strike me as a stretch that neither even tried to contact the other, but I suppose both thought what they were doing was more important and expected the other to eventually meet up with them. When Merrill asks Anders about Mahariel he also says that "The Hero of Ferelden likes his/her privacy."

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 14 octobre 2013 - 05:21 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
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1.Wait what she didn't want draw attention and she didn't kill spiders because of that but she sends the warden to kill them wait what?

She didn't want to leave her post, because she was hiding that there was any problem at all. Hence she sends a high magic party (look at how much that doesn't help your case) to handle it.

2.?

I'd assumed the two in your last post indicated that you were pairing it with the second argument I made; namely that Templars are given magic to control mages. Which you have yet to argue with at all. Furthermore, the point you made (that you named several weak spells) falls apart when you note that those spells ought to be lethal outside the context of a video game.

3.well not that we heard about rampages by one guy who killed dozens with gun.

Which could have been ended by someone with a sword, if the swordsman had gotten close enough. Having a whole bunch of them charge at once can really help with that.

4.corry vs non mage hawke finisher shows that not only templars can avoide spells.

Nothing badass Hawke does in the games is evidence of anything. Varric is an admitted unreliable narrator, and even without that Hawke is an undeniable exception.

5.again back to sketch who was trained in combat mage but can't handle few guys with warrior on his side.

 

I answer this one below.

6.Where and how?

Silfren wrote...
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1. trained person would shoot them without problems and sketch was trained.

Several at once? That's spoken like someone who's never used a gun before.

2.Is that well probably is but country still is alive only because blood magic and well and is fueled by that not officially of course.Qunari doesn't waste resources thats why. 

And what exactly is wrong with blood magic? That's part of magic's power and usefulness, too. Never mind that mages are capable of summoning fire without it.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 14 octobre 2013 - 05:37 .