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[Silfren]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

He was squishy, and also he was granted freedom from the Chantry due
to past services. Due to being Chantry trained, he was also not armored
or capable of handling close combat. Hence why he had a golem.

he was war veteran *whistle*

I'm staying out of most of this, but I do have to say that your example of Wilhelm is grossly unfair.  He didn't get squished by Shale because he was a weak mage, he got squished by Shale because getting crushed by a giant stone golem is a fatal condition for anyone.

You're not taking context into consideration for ANY of your examples.  In this case, Wilhelm wasn't in battle, he was at home, on his turf, which means above all else, that he was not on his guard for any sort of an attack at all, much less from his own golem!  Nobody is so bad-ass that they are immune from being taken by surprise, and trust me, that's all it takes to kill a person---especially when all you have to do to accomplish that is, well, step on 'im.

On the subject of the qunari, sorry but the Qunari wars are not so far distant in time to qualify as legends, the way that the life of Calenhad is.  We're not going to get anywhere if your method of disputing an example is to say it's too legendary to count...and by responding to examples that dispute your claims with "oh, those don't count because reasons!" doesn't help your case much--most people will regard this as you not wanting to admit the flaws in your argument.

[Silfren]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
And blood magic. All abomination know blood magic. Mind control.
How do you think an abomination got that much influence in the first place?

Well.  It's nice to have conclusive evidence that neither Connor, Wynne, or Anders were abominations.

[dragonflight288]

he was war veteran *whistle* smilie

lol. Look down, he has two full feet. He's just trying to get as much money out of you as possible. Keep giving him money and he gathers all his friends and tells them about free money.

[Silfren]

dragonflight288 wrote...

he was war veteran *whistle* smilie

lol. Look down, he has two full feet. He's just trying to get as much money out of you as possible. Keep giving him money and he gathers all his friends and tells them about free money.

LOL.  Well, they're talking about Wilhelm and his service in the fight against the Orlesians, not the alienage elf.  

[Medhia Nox]

@Silfren: Well - I think it's possible Connor knew blood magic as he did make his uncle dance like a puppet. I'm not really arguing your point though.

Speaking of abomination... what is the difference between those things Uldred became, and a possessed person? Is there any?

Uldred spoke of the "next stage in mage evolution" if I recall.

Certainly not everyone possessed becomes those funky abominations in DA:O... were those "real" abominations?

I also don't think Wynne was possessed or was an abomination - I think she was sustained by a spirit's power. I'm not going to argue it - as I don't think anyone but me sees a difference, but it's just an opinion.

[Silfren]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Silfren: Well - I think it's possible Connor knew blood magic as he did make his uncle dance like a puppet. I'm not really arguing your point though.

Speaking of abomination... what is the difference between those things Uldred became, and a possessed person? Is there any?

Uldred spoke of the "next stage in mage evolution" if I recall.

Certainly not everyone possessed becomes those funky abominations in DA:O... were those "real" abominations?

I also don't think Wynne was possessed or was an abomination - I think she was sustained by a spirit's power. I'm not going to argue it - as I don't think anyone but me sees a difference, but it's just an opinion.

I was just being facetious with my post, honestly.  I seriously doubt Connor knew blood magic, though.  That wasn't Connor's doing so much as the demon, who was clearly in control of him at that point.

As far as the question of abominations and possessed people goes, I do think there's a difference, and I think the games are meant to demonstrate this to players, by showing that whatever the Chantry teaches and the templars believe, there is something fundamentally different between the two.  We're meant to see that there's a lot of holes in the current understanding.

A couple people have gone on record recently as saying Wynne wasn't possessed, but I'm not sure where this comes from, as I always thought that point was driven home quite clearly, not just in the game but in Asunder as well.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Silfren wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
And blood magic. All abomination know blood magic. Mind control.
How do you think an abomination got that much influence in the first place?

Well.  It's nice to have conclusive evidence that neither Connor, Wynne, or Anders were abominations.

Conner knew Blood Magic when he was possessed by the demon. He had the entire castle of Redcliffe udner his spell. That is mind control. That is blood magic. Blood magic stems from demons, not spirits, which would explain why Anders and Wynne didn't have any blood magic. No would I call the orignal creation of the merger between Anders and Justice an abomiantion, necessarily. If the Virtue of Justice remains true, then he would have become something else. However, Anders hatred warped the virtue possessing him, and as such it eventually created an abomination.
Wynne, I would hesitate to call an Abomination. The spirit of Faith within her remained pure, and as such benign. She was something else than an abomination. Not natural, but not an Abomination either.

[Silfren]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
And blood magic. All abomination know blood magic. Mind control.
How do you think an abomination got that much influence in the first place?

Well.  It's nice to have conclusive evidence that neither Connor, Wynne, or Anders were abominations.

Conner knew Blood Magic when he was possessed by the demon. He had the entire castle of Redcliffe udner his spell. That is mind control. That is blood magic. Blood magic stems from demons, not spirits, which would explain why Anders and Wynne didn't have any blood magic. No would I call the orignal creation of the merger between Anders and Justice an abomiantion, necessarily. If the Virtue of Justice remains true, then he would have become something else. However, Anders hatred warped the virtue possessing him, and as such it eventually created an abomination.
Wynne, I would hesitate to call an Abomination. The spirit of Faith within her remained pure, and as such benign. She was something else than an abomination. Not natural, but not an Abomination either.

Sorry, I'm not convinced.  The demon was able to control people's minds, sure, but does that necessarily mean that Connor himself was using blood magic...or is it even true that demons themselves are definitively using blood magic when they control people's minds?  I'm aware that mages have to use blood for mind control, but this is getting a tad beyond that.  I'm not willing to hold a child responsible for what the demon did with his body when it was controlling him.  If Connor himself was using blood magic while in full control of his mind and body, sure, but there's no evidence this was the case. 

ETA:  Now that I think about it, I do recall dialogue where Connor admitted to borrowing Jowan's books.  This isn't necessarily conclusive that Connor used blood to summon the demon, but it's pretty damning, I'll admit.  Doesn't necessarily mean that blood magic was used further, once that damage was done, though.

Modifié par Silfren, 15 octobre 2013 - 05:19 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Conner probably didn't know Blood Magic, but through the demon he did. The second a mage is possessed by a demon, the amge (if he still exists at that point) will have access to blood magic, through the demon inside of him, despite any prior knowledge, or lack thereof.
And what Lotion was arguing, wasn't that Conner was a blood amge, but that all Abominations have the ability to use Blood Magic, despite which mage they possess.

[Silfren]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Conner probably didn't know Blood Magic, but through the demon he did. The second a mage is possessed by a demon, the amge (if he still exists at that point) will have access to blood magic, through the demon inside of him, despite any prior knowledge, or lack thereof.
And what Lotion was arguing, wasn't that Conner was a blood amge, but that all Abominations have the ability to use Blood Magic, despite which mage they possess.

Mages technically have access to blood magic by virtue of their own bloodstream, so I'm unclear what it is you're trying to say here.  That having a demon inside you automatically means that blood magic is being used? 

What is the argument?  That a demon-possessed mage is using blood magic, full stop?  So that's the ONLY kind of magic demons know and use?

[Cainhurst Crow]

I have never seen an abomination use blood magic. They seem to love to spam hex's and elemental spells, but never blood magic it seems.

[The Hierophant]

It seemed like Conner used blood magic on Teagan and the castle guards though?

[dragonflight288]

Silfren wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

he was war veteran *whistle* smilie

lol. Look down, he has two full feet. He's just trying to get as much money out of you as possible. Keep giving him money and he gathers all his friends and tells them about free money.

LOL.  Well, they're talking about Wilhelm and his service in the fight against the Orlesians, not the alienage elf.  

LOL. My bad. Mistook that for another thread where I'm debating elves.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Silfren wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Conner probably didn't know Blood Magic, but through the demon he did. The second a mage is possessed by a demon, the amge (if he still exists at that point) will have access to blood magic, through the demon inside of him, despite any prior knowledge, or lack thereof.
And what Lotion was arguing, wasn't that Conner was a blood amge, but that all Abominations have the ability to use Blood Magic, despite which mage they possess.

Mages technically have access to blood magic by virtue of their own bloodstream, so I'm unclear what it is you're trying to say here.  That having a demon inside you automatically means that blood magic is being used? 

What is the argument?  That a demon-possessed mage is using blood magic, full stop?  So that's the ONLY kind of magic demons know and use?

If you take some of the codex entries at face value, it would seem a deal with a demon is necessary for blood magic to work, and not just the mere knowledge of its existance. Even if a deal with a demon isn't necessary extensive trainning would probably be needed to learn to control blood magic, just like any other magic. What Conner did, was not some rookie spell. It was mind control of an entire castle. We know that Conner had no prior knowledge of blood magic, so obviously his connection with the demon, allows him to cast blood magic.
And the only argument we were making is that an Abomination, no matter who it is possessing, has access to high level Blood Magic (not the gameplay term). Meaning that if a demon possess a completely worthless rookie mage, it will still have access to powerful blood magic, through itself.
Granted it might only be the higher level demons who gets this. Like Sloth, Desire, Pride and Hate, since it would seem Blood Magic requires a bit more finess than what the average Hunger or Rage Demon has patience for.

[Cainhurst Crow]

The Hierophant wrote...

It seemed like Conner used blood magic on Teagan and the castle guards though?

I would say it was more demonic glamor or enthrallment than blood magic. We've seen them do it before in the circle tower to the templars.

[dragonflight288]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

It seemed like Conner used blood magic on Teagan and the castle guards though?

I would say it was more demonic glamor or enthrallment than blood magic. We've seen them do it before in the circle tower to the templars.

It's also slightly possible that it may be part of the entropy school.

Hear me out on this one, and feel free to point out flaws in my logic as this is only a theory.

The school of entropy is generally the school of negation, of taking away. But it also has spells like sleep and waking nightmare, where you directly influence their subconscious.

An experienced mage using spells along the paths of those spells in the school of entropy could likely achieve the exact same affect as blood magic.

[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

It seemed like Conner used blood magic on Teagan and the castle guards though?

I would say it was more demonic glamor or enthrallment than blood magic. We've seen them do it before in the circle tower to the templars.

It's also slightly possible that it may be part of the entropy school.

Hear me out on this one, and feel free to point out flaws in my logic as this is only a theory.

The school of entropy is generally the school of negation, of taking away. But it also has spells like sleep and waking nightmare, where you directly influence their subconscious.

An experienced mage using spells along the paths of those spells in the school of entropy could likely achieve the exact same affect as blood magic.

I agree with you most definitely. I find it curious that the lines between different "schools" of magic can be blurred in this aspect. Like you said, what separates sending someone a nightmare magically from manipulating the mind through blood magic? Same result, except one school is banned while another is permitted.

Modifié par eluvianix, 15 octobre 2013 - 06:20 .

[dragonflight288]

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

It seemed like Conner used blood magic on Teagan and the castle guards though?

I would say it was more demonic glamor or enthrallment than blood magic. We've seen them do it before in the circle tower to the templars.

It's also slightly possible that it may be part of the entropy school.

Hear me out on this one, and feel free to point out flaws in my logic as this is only a theory.

The school of entropy is generally the school of negation, of taking away. But it also has spells like sleep and waking nightmare, where you directly influence their subconscious.

An experienced mage using spells along the paths of those spells in the school of entropy could likely achieve the exact same affect as blood magic.

I agree with you most definitely. I find it curious that the lines between different "schools" of magic can be blurred in this aspect. Like you said, what separates sending someone a nightmare magically from manipulating the mind through blood magic? Same result, except one school is banned while another is permitted.

It's already in the lore that one branch of magic is mistaken for another, or the blurring of the lines. The school of spirit school descripton makes it clear that it is often mistaken for blood magic, when all it really is is a study of the Fade and the spirits within. One of the spells, Animate Dead, is used by blood mages like Decimus and is often associated with blood magic. The Spirit Warriors are regular people who are like Spirit Healers, and have near-magical abilities themselves. It's description make it clear that the templars don't always make that distinction of them actually being non-mages.

It's possible that the school of entropy may also have abilities mistaken for blood magic as well.

[Silfren]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Silfren wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Conner probably didn't know Blood Magic, but through the demon he did. The second a mage is possessed by a demon, the amge (if he still exists at that point) will have access to blood magic, through the demon inside of him, despite any prior knowledge, or lack thereof.
And what Lotion was arguing, wasn't that Conner was a blood amge, but that all Abominations have the ability to use Blood Magic, despite which mage they possess.

Mages technically have access to blood magic by virtue of their own bloodstream, so I'm unclear what it is you're trying to say here.  That having a demon inside you automatically means that blood magic is being used? 

What is the argument?  That a demon-possessed mage is using blood magic, full stop?  So that's the ONLY kind of magic demons know and use?

If you take some of the codex entries at face value, it would seem a deal with a demon is necessary for blood magic to work, and not just the mere knowledge of its existance. Even if a deal with a demon isn't necessary extensive trainning would probably be needed to learn to control blood magic, just like any other magic. What Conner did, was not some rookie spell. It was mind control of an entire castle. We know that Conner had no prior knowledge of blood magic, so obviously his connection with the demon, allows him to cast blood magic.
And the only argument we were making is that an Abomination, no matter who it is possessing, has access to high level Blood Magic (not the gameplay term). Meaning that if a demon possess a completely worthless rookie mage, it will still have access to powerful blood magic, through itself.
Granted it might only be the higher level demons who gets this. Like Sloth, Desire, Pride and Hate, since it would seem Blood Magic requires a bit more finess than what the average Hunger or Rage Demon has patience for.

Aside from Jowan's assertion that he never had any contact with demons.  Blah blah could be lying blah blah, I've always been certain he was never lying on this point, and that we're meant to take this to mean that demons are by no means necessary for blood magic at all.

As for Connor, again, I think there needs to be some separation between what he did entirely on his own, and what was done with his body through the demon's control.  Either way, I'm not convinced that blood magic is the only means through which mind control is possible.  Seems to me that demons, at least, have this ability without blood.

This is veering into a different subject, though, about exactly what kind of magical abilities demons and spirits possess.  I'm not willing to believe that demons alone know and can use blood magic, but spirits somehow are unable or unwilling, especially since the lore seems to be moving in the direction of telling us that the practice of clearly defining spirits and demons as two wholly different species is inaccurate.

(FYI, your sentences would be a little more easy to read on the first go if you didn't constantly chop them all to hell with random commas).

[Cainhurst Crow]

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

It seemed like Conner used blood magic on Teagan and the castle guards though?

I would say it was more demonic glamor or enthrallment than blood magic. We've seen them do it before in the circle tower to the templars.

It's also slightly possible that it may be part of the entropy school.

Hear me out on this one, and feel free to point out flaws in my logic as this is only a theory.

The school of entropy is generally the school of negation, of taking away. But it also has spells like sleep and waking nightmare, where you directly influence their subconscious.

An experienced mage using spells along the paths of those spells in the school of entropy could likely achieve the exact same affect as blood magic.

I agree with you most definitely. I find it curious that the lines between different "schools" of magic can be blurred in this aspect. Like you said, what separates sending someone a nightmare magically from manipulating the mind through blood magic? Same result, except one school is banned while another is permitted.

It's already in the lore that one branch of magic is mistaken for another, or the blurring of the lines. The school of spirit school descripton makes it clear that it is often mistaken for blood magic, when all it really is is a study of the Fade and the spirits within. One of the spells, Animate Dead, is used by blood mages like Decimus and is often associated with blood magic. The Spirit Warriors are regular people who are like Spirit Healers, and have near-magical abilities themselves. It's description make it clear that the templars don't always make that distinction of them actually being non-mages.

It's possible that the school of entropy may also have abilities mistaken for blood magic as well.

I think there is only 1 real difference between blood magic and entrophy, which is blood magic grants a person these abilities outright, while it would probably take a master of entrophy to pull off these moves. So basically instead of a person spending years possibly decades of their life learning this art, an inexperienced and undisciplined mage could pull it off in a day with blood magic and no lyrium to boost their mana.

Outside of that, I'm betting the majority of difference is purely from an ideological standpoint between the chantry and tevinter.

[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

It seemed like Conner used blood magic on Teagan and the castle guards though?

I would say it was more demonic glamor or enthrallment than blood magic. We've seen them do it before in the circle tower to the templars.

It's also slightly possible that it may be part of the entropy school.

Hear me out on this one, and feel free to point out flaws in my logic as this is only a theory.

The school of entropy is generally the school of negation, of taking away. But it also has spells like sleep and waking nightmare, where you directly influence their subconscious.

An experienced mage using spells along the paths of those spells in the school of entropy could likely achieve the exact same affect as blood magic.

I agree with you most definitely. I find it curious that the lines between different "schools" of magic can be blurred in this aspect. Like you said, what separates sending someone a nightmare magically from manipulating the mind through blood magic? Same result, except one school is banned while another is permitted.

It's already in the lore that one branch of magic is mistaken for another, or the blurring of the lines. The school of spirit school descripton makes it clear that it is often mistaken for blood magic, when all it really is is a study of the Fade and the spirits within. One of the spells, Animate Dead, is used by blood mages like Decimus and is often associated with blood magic. The Spirit Warriors are regular people who are like Spirit Healers, and have near-magical abilities themselves. It's description make it clear that the templars don't always make that distinction of them actually being non-mages.

It's possible that the school of entropy may also have abilities mistaken for blood magic as well.

Then my question is why in all of Thedas does the Chantry not take more issue with spells like Walking Bomb, Waking Nightmare, etc.? If you are going to ban blood magic, why not ban these other schools as well?

[Hellion Rex]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

It seemed like Conner used blood magic on Teagan and the castle guards though?

I would say it was more demonic glamor or enthrallment than blood magic. We've seen them do it before in the circle tower to the templars.

It's also slightly possible that it may be part of the entropy school.

Hear me out on this one, and feel free to point out flaws in my logic as this is only a theory.

The school of entropy is generally the school of negation, of taking away. But it also has spells like sleep and waking nightmare, where you directly influence their subconscious.

An experienced mage using spells along the paths of those spells in the school of entropy could likely achieve the exact same affect as blood magic.

I agree with you most definitely. I find it curious that the lines between different "schools" of magic can be blurred in this aspect. Like you said, what separates sending someone a nightmare magically from manipulating the mind through blood magic? Same result, except one school is banned while another is permitted.

It's already in the lore that one branch of magic is mistaken for another, or the blurring of the lines. The school of spirit school descripton makes it clear that it is often mistaken for blood magic, when all it really is is a study of the Fade and the spirits within. One of the spells, Animate Dead, is used by blood mages like Decimus and is often associated with blood magic. The Spirit Warriors are regular people who are like Spirit Healers, and have near-magical abilities themselves. It's description make it clear that the templars don't always make that distinction of them actually being non-mages.

It's possible that the school of entropy may also have abilities mistaken for blood magic as well.

I think there is only 1 real difference between blood magic and entrophy, which is blood magic grants a person these abilities outright, while it would probably take a master of entrophy to pull off these moves. So basically instead of a person spending years possibly decades of their life learning this art, an inexperienced and undisciplined mage could pull it off in a day with blood magic and no lyrium to boost their mana.

Outside of that, I'm betting the majority of difference is purely from an ideological standpoint between the chantry and tevinter.

I would disagree on your first point. I find it hard to believe that a blood mage could outright rend a person's body inside out or boil another person blood on day one. They could potentially get a serious power boost when they start using it, but I feel like that high level of magic is not instant, short of being an abomination. Experience and practice would be necessary for either blood magic or entropy to be so powerful.

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

It seemed like Conner used blood magic on Teagan and the castle guards though?

I would say it was more demonic glamor or enthrallment than blood magic. We've seen them do it before in the circle tower to the templars.

It's also slightly possible that it may be part of the entropy school.

Hear me out on this one, and feel free to point out flaws in my logic as this is only a theory.

The school of entropy is generally the school of negation, of taking away. But it also has spells like sleep and waking nightmare, where you directly influence their subconscious.

An experienced mage using spells along the paths of those spells in the school of entropy could likely achieve the exact same affect as blood magic.

I agree with you most definitely. I find it curious that the lines between different "schools" of magic can be blurred in this aspect. Like you said, what separates sending someone a nightmare magically from manipulating the mind through blood magic? Same result, except one school is banned while another is permitted.

It's already in the lore that one branch of magic is mistaken for another, or the blurring of the lines. The school of spirit school descripton makes it clear that it is often mistaken for blood magic, when all it really is is a study of the Fade and the spirits within. One of the spells, Animate Dead, is used by blood mages like Decimus and is often associated with blood magic. The Spirit Warriors are regular people who are like Spirit Healers, and have near-magical abilities themselves. It's description make it clear that the templars don't always make that distinction of them actually being non-mages.

It's possible that the school of entropy may also have abilities mistaken for blood magic as well.

Then my question is why in all of Thedas does the Chantry not take more issue with spells like Walking Bomb, Waking Nightmare, etc.? If you are going to ban blood magic, why not ban these other schools as well?

It does seem rather odd that those kind of spells would be part of any approved Circle curriculum, doesn't it?

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

It seemed like Conner used blood magic on Teagan and the castle guards though?

I would say it was more demonic glamor or enthrallment than blood magic. We've seen them do it before in the circle tower to the templars.

It's also slightly possible that it may be part of the entropy school.

Hear me out on this one, and feel free to point out flaws in my logic as this is only a theory.

The school of entropy is generally the school of negation, of taking away. But it also has spells like sleep and waking nightmare, where you directly influence their subconscious.

An experienced mage using spells along the paths of those spells in the school of entropy could likely achieve the exact same affect as blood magic.

I agree with you most definitely. I find it curious that the lines between different "schools" of magic can be blurred in this aspect. Like you said, what separates sending someone a nightmare magically from manipulating the mind through blood magic? Same result, except one school is banned while another is permitted.

It's already in the lore that one branch of magic is mistaken for another, or the blurring of the lines. The school of spirit school descripton makes it clear that it is often mistaken for blood magic, when all it really is is a study of the Fade and the spirits within. One of the spells, Animate Dead, is used by blood mages like Decimus and is often associated with blood magic. The Spirit Warriors are regular people who are like Spirit Healers, and have near-magical abilities themselves. It's description make it clear that the templars don't always make that distinction of them actually being non-mages.

It's possible that the school of entropy may also have abilities mistaken for blood magic as well.

Then my question is why in all of Thedas does the Chantry not take more issue with spells like Walking Bomb, Waking Nightmare, etc.? If you are going to ban blood magic, why not ban these other schools as well?

It does seem rather odd that those kind of spells would be part of any approved Circle curriculum, doesn't it?

Exactly. Why would the Chantry even allow the teaching of such spells? Those spells are just as dangerous as any blood spell, minus the whole demon issue.

[Cainhurst Crow]

eluvianix wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

It seemed like Conner used blood magic on Teagan and the castle guards though?

I would say it was more demonic glamor or enthrallment than blood magic. We've seen them do it before in the circle tower to the templars.

It's also slightly possible that it may be part of the entropy school.

Hear me out on this one, and feel free to point out flaws in my logic as this is only a theory.

The school of entropy is generally the school of negation, of taking away. But it also has spells like sleep and waking nightmare, where you directly influence their subconscious.

An experienced mage using spells along the paths of those spells in the school of entropy could likely achieve the exact same affect as blood magic.

I agree with you most definitely. I find it curious that the lines between different "schools" of magic can be blurred in this aspect. Like you said, what separates sending someone a nightmare magically from manipulating the mind through blood magic? Same result, except one school is banned while another is permitted.

It's already in the lore that one branch of magic is mistaken for another, or the blurring of the lines. The school of spirit school descripton makes it clear that it is often mistaken for blood magic, when all it really is is a study of the Fade and the spirits within. One of the spells, Animate Dead, is used by blood mages like Decimus and is often associated with blood magic. The Spirit Warriors are regular people who are like Spirit Healers, and have near-magical abilities themselves. It's description make it clear that the templars don't always make that distinction of them actually being non-mages.

It's possible that the school of entropy may also have abilities mistaken for blood magic as well.

I think there is only 1 real difference between blood magic and entrophy, which is blood magic grants a person these abilities outright, while it would probably take a master of entrophy to pull off these moves. So basically instead of a person spending years possibly decades of their life learning this art, an inexperienced and undisciplined mage could pull it off in a day with blood magic and no lyrium to boost their mana.

Outside of that, I'm betting the majority of difference is purely from an ideological standpoint between the chantry and tevinter.

I would disagree on your first point. I find it hard to believe that a blood mage could outright rend a person's body inside out or boil another person blood on day one. They could potentially get a serious power boost when they start using it, but I feel like that high level of magic is not instant, short of being an abomination. Experience and practice would be necessary for either blood magic or entropy to be so powerful.

I was more trying to emphasize the fact that blood magic is more power and can grant a person power quicker.