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[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Liara becoming the Shadow Broker is one of the best developments of the trilogy. And throwing it away would be a stupid waste of resources.

My shadow Broker is Traynor

You can fantisize whatever you'd like.

As can you, works both ways.  Try not to be so oblivious to your own expressions. 

[dreamgazer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

They should have handled the Wrex-Liara back and forth on Sur'Kesh a bit better. 

Wrex: Besides, you'd think this is the kind of thing the Shadow Broker would've known about. Too bad I don't know him [camera cuts to Liara]...or her.

Liara: I'm sure the Broker was very busy.

There's more going on there than "Not Liara!"

[David7204]

I wouldn't call ME 2 'dark action.' There are plenty of quips throughout the main missions in the vanilla game.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

J. Reezy wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Liara becoming the Shadow Broker is one of the best developments of the trilogy. And throwing it away would be a stupid waste of resources.

No way you said that with a straight face.

He's free to think that all he wants. Just as I think Miranda and Shepard's romance is the best development through the story, even if it rather rushed in ME2. 

It's just that when he claims opinion as fact is when it gets annoying.

[DJBare]

I don't mind Liara, it's her plot armour that bugs me, the oh so obvious reason why she could not join Shepard on the suicide mission.

[Steelcan]

Behold David, your credibility

[Han Shot First]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Ditto. I have no problem with the concept of the Crucible, or with a superweapon itself. I just wish it had more foreshadowing and a better execution.

That is my opinion as well. I think Bioware had some bad ideas regarding the function of the Crucible, but wasn't opposed to the Crucible concept itself. In fact I think Bioware had the right idea in introducing a superweapon to the plot (even though they didn't execute it well), as a conventional victory would have even more of an @sspull and would have left little for Shepard to do in the end game.

[Ravensword]

Steelcan wrote...

Behold David, your credibility

Did you just use the words "David" and "credibility" in the same sentence?

[Barquiel]

dgcatanisiri wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Do you really complain about Liara arriving 20 seconds (I watched the scene on youtube, it's exactly 20 seconds) earlier than Joker and the rest of the crew? I mean really?

That was not the point at all. 

And what, exactly, is the point?

My stance on Liara in this scene is that it's a clumsy introduction for her when she is not already there - there's no sound of the door opening or 'I got here as soon as I could' from her, she just enters and speaks as if she had always been there. If she was not the one who rescued Shepard at the lot, it seems that she is just magically appearing there without a comment on the matter to introduce her into the scene, which gives the impression that she was already there from the beginning, even though the staging of the scene makes it clear that she wasn't. This is an instance where just one line, Liara saying that she hurried over or that she had already been in the area when they sounded the alarm, something, would fix the problem.

Who cares if there is a "door sound"?  She's clearly coming from the direction of...the door.



It is obvious that Liara has just entered the apartment through the door....just like Joker a few seconds later.



I really don't get why the OP thinks she was already in Sheps apartment.

[KaiserShep]

I guess Shepard should spring for a door chime.

[Han Shot First]

Maybe Liara just didn't feel like waiting for Joker's gimpy arse and outpaced him.

Liara: "Really, Joker? Couldn't the Alliance have at least issued you a Hoveround?"

Modifié par Han Shot First, 01 octobre 2013 - 04:44 .

[CynicalShep]

Steelcan wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Cerberus also made massive technological leaps....

There is no reason not to study the corpse, even the goody two shoes Alliance isn't above using bits of the Reaper embryo.

We're talking about a fully intact reaper at the center of a Trashermaw pit. Not spare parts.

After that thresher maw is done with it, you'll be lucky to find parts

And then whatever is left from that Reaper slowly indoctrinates the mother of all thresher maws. Aw crap.

[The Night Mammoth]

David7204 wrote...

Liara becoming the Shadow Broker is one of the best developments of the trilogy. And throwing it away would be a stupid waste of resources.

No, it's really, really not.

[Br3admax]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Liara becoming the Shadow Broker is one of the best developments of the trilogy. And throwing it away would be a stupid waste of resources.

No, it's really, really not.

I would really like an explanation for this one, David. I would also like to know how throwing away a concept would waste resources.

[Han Shot First]

I think Bioware had the right idea with making Liara seize control of the Shadow Broker network. It was an interesting twist, and better than the alternative which was just to leave the SB ship a smoking ruin and call it a day.

The mistake was in not making it a bigger deal in ME3. Rather than the SB network being treated as background info that Shepard was uninvolved in, it should have played a bigger role in the plot. Through Liara Shepard had control of his own private intelligence network. In game however, it doesn't really affect Shepard all that much. It leads to uncovering the plans for the Crucible, but that's before the start of ME3 and before Shepard gets to Mars.

[Mathias]

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Wrong again, Massively. You claimed that liking LotSB was based on 'fanboyism.' If the majority of the players agree it was very high quality, which they do, then it clearly isn't fanboyism at all. It's a perfectly legitimate argument.

Popularity DOES NOT EQUATE TO QUALITY

I replayed Lair of the Shadow broker somewhat recently, and it's still imo the best Mass Effect DLC. If you asked me, the height of Mass Effect in terms of quality, peaked with LotSB. From there it's been a steady but slow decline, and then plummets to the frozen wasteland of the 7th layer of Hell during the final few hours of ME3.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 01 octobre 2013 - 03:59 .

[Hazegurl]

Han Shot First wrote...

I think Bioware had the right idea with making Liara seize control of the Shadow Broker network. It was an interesting twist, and better than the alternative which was just to leave the SB ship a smoking ruin and call it a day.

The mistake was in not making it a bigger deal in ME3. Rather than the SB network being treated as background info that Shepard was uninvolved in, it should have played a bigger role in the plot. Through Liara Shepard had control of his own private intelligence network. In game however, it doesn't really affect Shepard all that much. It leads to uncovering the plans for the Crucible, but that's before the start of ME3 and before Shepard gets to Mars.

I agree, It wouldn't have been such a useless waste of time if Liara being the Shadow Broker was actually helpful. It just became more of a minor plot device and comedy. Tali bought a vibrator, big freaking whoop. IMO, Traynor proves that a Shadow Broker is overrated.

[Han Shot First]

A lot of Traynor's content as far as intel gathering was actually written for Liara in the original script. Weekes later shifted it to Traynor to give her a bigger role in the story than Kelly Chamber had. It was an odd decision, why not just write original content for Traynor rather than shifting content from one character to another?

I also wonder whether BSN complaints may have played a role. With the first script leak people were complaining about Liara being a writer's pet. If that did have anything to do with some of her content being shifted to Traynor, the irony is that the same BSNers would later be complaining that Liara didn't do enough as Shadow Broker. Mako 2.0.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 01 octobre 2013 - 04:31 .

[The Night Mammoth]

I have absolutely no illusions that if Liara had more content the vast majority of people would just complain even more.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 01 octobre 2013 - 04:45 .