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[Hazegurl]

rashie wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Great for you then. I mean it. Just try not to get your knickers in a bunch every single time someone expresses disappointment in your favorites.

I don't, but it's not as though I'll support you doing violence to their screentime or similar.

How can one "do violence to their screen time"?

Punch the monitor when a certain character appear?

[dreamgazer]

Hazegurl wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Great for you then. I mean it. Just try not to get your knickers in a bunch every single time someone expresses disappointment in your favorites.

I don't, but it's not as though I'll support you doing violence to their screentime or similar.

How can one "do violence to their screen time"?

Not really getting into this (endless) bitchfest about Liara, but to "do violence" to something in fiction is to exaggerate the character or plot's weaker attributes for the sake of the speaker's own negative, aggressive bias. 

So, essentially, the entirety of the Story and Campaign sections of the BSN. 

[rashie]

dreamgazer wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Great for you then. I mean it. Just try not to get your knickers in a bunch every single time someone expresses disappointment in your favorites.

I don't, but it's not as though I'll support you doing violence to their screentime or similar.

How can one "do violence to their screen time"?

Not really getting into this (endless) bitchfest about Liara, but to "do violence" to something in fiction is to exaggerate the character or plot's weaker attributes for the sake of the speaker's own negative, aggressive bias. 

So, essentially, the entirety of the Story and Campaign sections of the BSN. 

I see, thanks for the explanation

Not a native english speaker so the expression was a bit strange to me as well.

[Sir DeLoria]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Suicide is courageous. Duty before reason.

This is the sort of thinking that started the Geth-Quarian War in ME3 which nearly wiped out both species.

"We fight or we die."

Even if the Reapers were winning an there was no hope for the galaxy I'd rather die fighting that run and hide from them for the rest of my life. 

[Han Shot First]

Necanor wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Suicide is courageous. Duty before reason.

This is the sort of thinking that started the Geth-Quarian War in ME3 which nearly wiped out both species.

"We fight or we die."

Even if the Reapers were winning an there was no hope for the galaxy I'd rather die fighting that run and hide from them for the rest of my life. 

Good thing Liara never actually suggests running and hiding from them.

[Sir DeLoria]

Han Shot First wrote...

Necanor wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Suicide is courageous. Duty before reason.

This is the sort of thinking that started the Geth-Quarian War in ME3 which nearly wiped out both species.

"We fight or we die."

Even if the Reapers were winning an there was no hope for the galaxy I'd rather die fighting that run and hide from them for the rest of my life. 

Good thing Liara never actually suggests running and hiding from them.

Well, at least she thought about it.

[Han Shot First]

Necanor wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Necanor wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Suicide is courageous. Duty before reason.

This is the sort of thinking that started the Geth-Quarian War in ME3 which nearly wiped out both species.

"We fight or we die."

Even if the Reapers were winning an there was no hope for the galaxy I'd rather die fighting that run and hide from them for the rest of my life. 

Good thing Liara never actually suggests running and hiding from them.

Well, at least she thought about it.

No, she didn't.

[dreamgazer]

Space Hamster thought about clawing out the eyes of the entire Normandy crew, procuring a team of cybernetically-enhanced pyjaks, and setting off to defeat the Reapers without the bull of space politics.

Prove me wrong, BSN.

[Han Shot First]

StreetMagic wrote...

She's just fatalistic. At best, she's fueled by Shepard's steam (if you have it). Not her own. I don't think she ever said anything about running though.

I think he is referring to the line during the romance scene where Liara says, "It would be easy for a single ship to get lost up there, wouldn't it?"

If that is the line he is referring to it certainly isn't supposed to be taken literally.

[Han Shot First]

StreetMagic wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

She's just fatalistic. At best, she's fueled by Shepard's steam (if you have it). Not her own. I don't think she ever said anything about running though.

I think he is referring to the line during the romance scene where Liara says, "It would be easy for a single ship to get lost up there, wouldn't it?"

If that is the line he is referring to it certainly isn't supposed to be taken literally.

Ah.. never heard/seen that scene. I could see how it could interpreted like that.

Perhaps if the line is taken out of context.

Here is the full scene.

When viewed as part of the whole scene it is rather obvious that neither she or Shepard, who agrees, is actually advocating desertion.

[TheMyron]

I agree, Liara should not be brought down to everyone elses level, everyone else should instead be brought up to hers.

[AlexMBrennan]

I agree, Liara should not be brought down to everyone elses level, everyone else should instead be brought up to hers.

But that's the only option unless you are volunteering to pay $100 for a game.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 14 octobre 2013 - 08:54 .

[Hazegurl]

dreamgazer wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Great for you then. I mean it. Just try not to get your knickers in a bunch every single time someone expresses disappointment in your favorites.

I don't, but it's not as though I'll support you doing violence to their screentime or similar.

How can one "do violence to their screen time"?

Not really getting into this (endless) bitchfest about Liara, but to "do violence" to something in fiction is to exaggerate the character or plot's weaker attributes for the sake of the speaker's own negative, aggressive bias. 

So, essentially, the entirety of the Story and Campaign sections of the BSN. 

You can't perform acts of violence by expressing an opinion whether it is negative or not. Violence is a physical act of harm against another. Liara isn't real and having aggressive or negative bias opinions about her is not violence.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TheMyron wrote...

I agree, Liara should not be brought down to everyone elses level, everyone else should instead be brought up to hers.

If you want that, then start with remaking ME2 and cut out / combine the squadmates and reduce the cast. Making them unkillable might help too.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 14 octobre 2013 - 10:27 .

[dreamgazer]

Hazegurl wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Great for you then. I mean it. Just try not to get your knickers in a bunch every single time someone expresses disappointment in your favorites.

I don't, but it's not as though I'll support you doing violence to their screentime or similar.

How can one "do violence to their screen time"?

Not really getting into this (endless) bitchfest about Liara, but to "do violence" to something in fiction is to exaggerate the character or plot's weaker attributes for the sake of the speaker's own negative, aggressive bias. 

So, essentially, the entirety of the Story and Campaign sections of the BSN. 

You can't perform acts of violence by expressing an opinion whether it is negative or not. Violence is a physical act of harm against another. Liara isn't real and having aggressive or negative bias opinions about her is not violence.

Sure, you can. The character isn't real, but the source material from which the characters derive is.  You're thinking a little too literally about the word "violence". 

Violence -- a : intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action or force; b : vehement feeling or expression : fervor; also : an instance of such action or feeling.  Link for you.

Also, for the hell of it: Types of Violence and Abuse. Many other types than "physical".  

Whether you do so to this particular character or not, I honestly couldn't care less.  But yes, exaggerating negative attributes about a piece of fiction and attacking said attributes fits perfectly fine with the phrase that was used. 

[TheMyron]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

I agree, Liara should not be brought down to everyone elses level, everyone else should instead be brought up to hers.

But that's the only option unless you are volunteering to pay $100 for a game.

I already have, unfortunately.

[Hazegurl]

dreamgazer wrote...

Sure, you can. The character isn't real, but the source material from which the characters derive is.  You're thinking a little too literally about the word "violence". 

Violence -- a : intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action or force; b : vehement feeling or expression : fervor; also : an instance of such action or feeling.  Link for you.

Also, for the hell of it: Types of Violence and Abuse. Many other types than "physical".  

Whether you do so to this particular character or not, I honestly couldn't care less.  But yes, exaggerating negative attributes about a piece of fiction and attacking said attributes fits perfectly fine with the phrase that was used. 

You have a point. bashing a character can been by a person as a form of verbal abuse against a character. However, you cannot just claim "verbal abuse" simply because someone has a different opinion that is not favorable toward a character. 

Also, just because you interpret someone's feelings as vehement does not mean it actually is. So to claim that people are "violent" toward X character just for expressing an opinion, interpretation, or what have you is not a claim that holds much water.

ex. I remember laughing with someone a while ago about picking up Liara last in ME1 and how delirious she was and we were accused of bashing the character. 

I would be reluctant to take the word "violence" seriously in this case or any other concerning the opinions expressed against any squadmate as it comes across as more of a dramatic stretch.  If I have to use any definition for it, then it would be the fallacy of exaggeration.  Something both Liara lovers and haters can be guilty of at times.

[Artifex_Imperius]

StreetMagic wrote...

I'm not a Liara hater, but I think the time where she really grates on me is Mars and how they wrote her as a sort of tutorial character. There was a time when she was kneeling down and cowering.. you know just a scientist who left the fightig to others. Now she's instructing Shepard how to do simple things like take cover. It's kind of jarring. Also, Alenko is both older than and outranks my Shepard now, and she has that comment about how capable he's become.. like he's some little child who's finally spreading his wings. Seems like this stuff is written for new players. Not to mention he's already a member of the Master Sentinel Race.. so there's no reason to doubt those types anyways

wow "like he's some little child who's finally spreading his wings." is that how you felt the comment was?

"she's [instructing] Shepard how to do simple things like take cover". harsh? not a hater?

did you make YOUR shepard trilogy, completely ignoring liara? from me1 to me3.

[Artifex_Imperius]

"she's [instructing] Shepard how to do simple things like take cover". harsh? not a hater?

thats like a SQUAD MEMBER SAYING "FIRE IN THE HOLE". but i guess Liara is NOT part of YOUR squad?

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 15 octobre 2013 - 07:16 .