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[Xilizhra]

Besides, if Liara was such a powerful combat specialist then why did she opt to secure herself instead of fight? Ashley was fighting, running, and surviving when she was found. Liara was held up in a field with no attempt to fight anyone at all and probably would have died in there if Shepard didn't need her.

She was looking for a defensible position and bumped the wrong switch.

[KaiserShep]

l7986 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Maybe Liara would be better if she spent less time hugging the dirt

Pretty much this. Most of the time I take her along its a multitude of "Liara's down," medigel, "Liara's down" medigel, "Liara's down," why the **** didn't I bring Wrex.

If a squad member is going down too often, that's usually the fault of the player more than it is with the character. I've never had this problem with her in either 1 or 3, and I found that with her talent points at high levels, she was pretty much putting everyone on the ceiling in ME1, and was spamming warp and singularity in ME3. It's easy enough to make her more durable by simply giving her better equipment as well as better weapons, and I equipped her with the colossus light armor in ME1, and simply directed the squad so they didn't constantly run into the line of fire.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 17 octobre 2013 - 11:57 .

[Remix-General Aetius]

ugh god is this stupid thread still going? let it die already.

[DuskWanderer]

KaiserShep wrote...

l7986 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Maybe Liara would be better if she spent less time hugging the dirt

Pretty much this. Most of the time I take her along its a multitude of "Liara's down," medigel, "Liara's down" medigel, "Liara's down," why the **** didn't I bring Wrex.

If a squad member is going down too often, that's usually the fault of the player more than it is with the character. I've never had this problem with her in either 1 or 3, and I found that with her talent points at high levels, she was pretty much putting everyone on the ceiling in ME1, and was spamming warp and singularity in ME3. It's easy enough to make her more durable by simply giving her better equipment as well as better weapons, and I equipped her with the colossus light armor in ME1, and simply directed the squad so they didn't constantly run into the line of fire.

Funny, I've never had that problem with anyone but Liara. Tali and EDI died a few times. The only time I had Garrus die was during Priority: Earth when I shot that other Cain on the ground so I wouldn't miss that Banshee, and he got caught in the blast. Kaidan, Ashley, and James never died at all. With Liara, every time I brought her on a mission (particularly one where there were Ravagers), she hit the ground faster than I could give her an order. 

[KaiserShep]

If Liara is going down every time you go on a mission, the issue lies with the way you manage the squad and play to their strengths, not with the characters themselves. If you don't direct Javik on higher difficulty, he'll drop quite a lot himself. James is pretty much the only one that can really hold his own going Rambo by himself, but on insanity, *everyone* will drop by enemies that can kill in a couple of hits, like ravagers, if you don't manage them properly.

As for the Cain on Priority: Earth, you can kill any of your squad members if they're standing in the wrong spot. I always take Kaidan and James on the first push through London to destroy the Hades cannon, and when I used the second Cain on the banshee, they both keeled over, and this was on Normal. This has only happened once so far, but it's never happened again to anyone else.

In ME1 I didn't really have a problem squadmate. All were easy to make extremely durable, since they could all be equipped with effective armor and had tons of power. In ME2, my problem teammates were Jacob and Kasumi. Both had this bad habit of constantly going off by themselves, and getting knocked out if I didn't constantly tell them to take cover.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 17 octobre 2013 - 08:15 .

[DuskWanderer]

KaiserShep wrote...

If Liara is going down every time you go on a mission, the issue lies with the way you manage the squad and play to their strengths, not with the characters themselves. If you don't direct Javik on higher difficulty, he'll drop quite a lot himself. James is pretty much the only one that can really hold his own going Rambo by himself, but on insanity, *everyone* will drop by enemies that can kill in a couple of hits, like ravagers, if you don't manage them properly.

As for the Cain on Priority: Earth, you can kill any of your squad members if they're standing in the wrong spot. I always take Kaidan and James on the first push through London to destroy the Hades cannon, and when I used the second Cain on the banshee, they both keeled over, and this was on Normal. This has only happened once so far, but it's never happened again to anyone else.

In ME1 I didn't really have a problem squadmate. All were easy to make extremely durable, since they could all be equipped with effective armor and had tons of power. In ME2, my problem teammates were Jacob and Kasumi. Both had this bad habit of constantly going off by themselves, and getting knocked out if I didn't constantly tell them to take cover.

Even on my Insanity playthrough, and I have the trophy to prove it, Javik never had those problems. I played through it twice so that I could have both VS's, and the deaths went like this:

James - 0
Kaidan - 0
Ashley - 0
Garrus - 1 
Javik - 1
EDI - 3
Tali - 4
Liara - >12 (The Grunt mission was the worst, and I stopped using her after that. She died on Thessia, but I didn't count them, so I don't remember how many times.)

FYI, I took Kaidan and James on the Citadel DLC missions, and they didn't die. 

I don't know what to tell you other than this: I did nothing special for any of the characters, didn't use any DLC weapons. That's how it happened. Liara just constantly died. 

[Sir DeLoria]

 No idea how Liara generally performs in combat, I only took her on the missions that actually forced me to take her.

Team Dextro has no room for tentacle heads:P

Modifié par Necanor, 17 octobre 2013 - 08:29 .

[rashie]

Necanor wrote...

 No idea how Liara generally performs in combat, I only took her on the missions that actually forced me to take her.

Team Dextro has no room for tentacle heads:P

She does extremely well and do not die that often if the player is also playing well when paired with a biotic shepard, i.e sentinel or adept, dunno about other classes though.

[Barquiel]

Funny how most of the people who have problems with Liara dying seem to be people who otherwise dislike her. What a coincidence! I had no problems with Liara dying. Vega is a tank, I don't remember reviving him 
Liara and the other squadmates I used (EDI, Garrus) occasionally died,  but not very often. I've also seen a few gameplay videos (on insanity)...and Liara wasn't constantly dying.

[Hazegurl]

I didn't bring Liara with me on missions unless I had no choice and the times I did, she performed okay. But Kaidan was almost always my "go to" guy in ME1 and ME3 when he was available. He never died on me. I hear people not having much problem with Garrus but he died on me often and I used him a lot. Wrex never went down. I usually play an Engineer or Infiltrator Shepard.

[rashie]

Indeed, Wrexs health pool is massive, at least in ME3, id be shocked if went he down tbh.

Modifié par rashie, 17 octobre 2013 - 09:02 .

[KaiserShep]

StreetMagic wrote...

No one dies in ME3. Game's too easy.

And there's this. There's plenty of enemies that can kill in 2 hits or less in ME3, but they're not common, and they're easy enough to take cover from. There's no reason why any of the squad, even the most fragile one like Liara, should go down all the time unless you're doing it wrong. 

[Sir DeLoria]

If I'm not using a Tali-Garrus combo, I usally use Kaidan, Wrex, Thane or Jack with Tali. Before I get Tali, I usually use a combo of Garrus and Miri(ME2) or Garrus and Vega(ME3).

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Try the Mirror Match with the Krogan Bug on the 360. grrrrrrrr........ The Krogan do nothing showing that they should be used as cannon fodder.

On the PC i'd fix that. Liara gets 1200 health and shields. Done. Liara and James.

[KaiserShep]

I think Garrus, Grunt, Zaeed and Miranda are definitely the best to use in ME2, but this is for my vanguard, so I can do crowd control myself.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 17 octobre 2013 - 09:43 .

[themikefest]

On insanity when I have T'soni I never waste medigel on her. The mission seemed easrier with her out of the picture till the game brought her back to life. I did an insanity run with the robot and T'soni from beginning to end and I used medigel once even though they "died" a lot. Again when one "died" or both "died" I ignored them till the game brought them back to life making the mission easier than worrying about those two. I will never understand how medigel can heal a robot. It must be space magic.

[David7204]

Trying to claim that whoever your least favorite character is is also the worst character in gameplay is not only very, very silly silly, but very, very obvious.

People who like Miranda claim that Miranda is the best character in combat. What a surprise. People who hate Liara claim Liara is the worst character in combat. What a surprise.

Modifié par David7204, 17 octobre 2013 - 10:15 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Liara almost never dies. Garrus dies a lot though, and I know why.

It's because I actually bother to pay attention to what Liara is doing and use her powers effectively whilst Garrus is really just along for the ride because I like him.