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[Xilizhra]

Her knowing would be sensible, she needs to know what asari strengths and weaknesses are when negotiating.

Too open to being spied upon. It's not sensible.

And how is telling her a huge security risk? I mean she might be Aria's puppet but its not like she would be elected if she was a known security risk.

She's elected by the people, who also don't know.

. Yet that little cadre is open to millions of people at least.

If those above approve.

I'll agree that the humans made too much of a an advancement a bit..they're pushing what I'm willing to believe with 30 years. But the point was that was what Prothean discoveries were capable of. No one is "special". Everyone is living off of borrowed tech.

Nonetheless, I'd like to see something different the next time.

[Han Shot First]

Steelcan wrote...

She doesn't say she didn't know either, and her line "known only to the highest levels of my government". She is the councillor for Christ's sake. I find it hard to believe that she didn't know.

And revealing it sooner would have been smart. So they could help with the Crucible.. I don't begrudge them keeping it hidden in peace time, I'd have done the same.

She may not have known, as the relationship between local governments and the Council is bit murky and not explored much by the lore. Do Councilors have any role in domestic politics or governance, or do they just help set galactic/foreign policy? Its hard to say.

Also in ME3 we see a local leader (Salarian Dalatrass) withhold support for the war effort, so at least with the Salarian Union, local governments appear to wield a great deal of power. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean that the same is true for the Asari Republics. Not enough is known in the lore to say for sure.

[Steelcan]

Do you really think its smart for the representative of the government should not be informed of things like this? She has every reason to know. The only reason you think otherwise is because it tears some fetish for the race of bimbos you have apart. They aren't paragons of civilazation, they are just good at playing the galaxy's game.

You have no reason to believe that she is a security risk. Nassana was worried about being removed for her connections, I doubt she could get all the way to councillor with anything less than a completely clean back ground.

[rashie]

Steelcan wrote...

She doesn't say she didn't know either, and her line "known only to the highest levels of my government". She is the councillor for Christ's sake. I find it hard to believe that she didn't know.

She is nothing but a representative of her people in the galactic community.

Shepard even mentions this with bypassing the council and appealing directly to their leadership at the very start of the game.  Could go further in explanations but Tevos is not among the the very top in her government.

[Steelcan]

rashie wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

She doesn't say she didn't know either, and her line "known only to the highest levels of my government". She is the councillor for Christ's sake. I find it hard to believe that she didn't know.

She is nothing but a representative of her people in the galactic community.

Shepard even mentions this with bypassing the council and appealing directly to their leadership at the very start of the game.  Could go further in explanations but Tevos is not among the the very top in her government.

.  The issue with that is the councillor needs to be up to date on what assets their government has.  Iif she doesnt know the full capabilities of the asari sge cant represent them well.

[Xilizhra]

. The issue with that is the councillor needs to be up to date on what assets their government has. Iif she doesnt know the full capabilities of the asari sge cant represent them well.

It's not an asset that can be used in negotiations because it has to be secret, so her knowing would have no purpose.

Do you really think its smart for the representative of the government should not be informed of things like this? She has every reason to know. The only reason you think otherwise is because it tears some fetish for the race of bimbos you have apart. They aren't paragons of civilazation, they are just good at playing the galaxy's game.

This is about Tevos herself, not about the race as a whole, which isn't impugned at all by the actions of just a few people.

[rashie]

Steelcan wrote...

rashie wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

She doesn't say she didn't know either, and her line "known only to the highest levels of my government". She is the councillor for Christ's sake. I find it hard to believe that she didn't know.

She is nothing but a representative of her people in the galactic community.

Shepard even mentions this with bypassing the council and appealing directly to their leadership at the very start of the game.  Could go further in explanations but Tevos is not among the the very top in her government.

.  The issue with that is the councillor needs to be up to date on what assets their government has.  Iif she doesnt know the full capabilities of the asari sge cant represent them well.

I think the highest level of government secrets are on a need to know basis there, its not like she needs to know the Asari have those relics in order to represent her people in the Citadel to 100%.

[Steelcan]

Xil I have yet to see you call out a single asari for any reason. You defend the behaviour of a homicidal maniac. If she wasn't asari I doubt you would.

You are defending Tevos for the sole reason that she has blue skin.

[Steelcan]

I fail to see why the Councillor is not part of the highest levels of government.

Furthermore I fail to see why she wouldn't be told. She is a high ranking official who needs to be kept up to date on her species capabilities and strengths.

[Xilizhra]

Xil I have yet to see you call out a single asari for any reason. You defend the behaviour of a homicidal maniac. If she wasn't asari I doubt you would.

Then you haven't been paying attention. I've repeatedly said that the asari treatment of Ardat-Yakshi is rather horrible, and I've called out both Samara and Morinth on several things before. In addition to siding with Nyreen over Aria in Omega.

[Steelcan]

Their treatment of Ardat-Yakshi is horrible? Really? So they should be allowed to run around in the population killing as they go? Putting a heroin addict in a room made of heroin and needles is not generally condoned.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Their treatment of Ardat-Yakshi is horrible? Really? So they should be allowed to run around in the population killing as they go? Putting a heroin addict in a room made of heroin and needles is not generally condoned.

Ah, so you will defend the asari if it means disagreeing with me.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Their treatment of Ardat-Yakshi is horrible? Really? So they should be allowed to run around in the population killing as they go? Putting a heroin addict in a room made of heroin and needles is not generally condoned.

Ah, so you will defend the asari if it means disagreeing with me.

Ive never said the asari were incapable of good ideas, nor do I intrinsicly hate their whole species.  I just happen to dislike numerous asari characters and find aspects of theor society distatseful.

[jtav]

Whether the councilor knew before she told Shepard is a bit beside the point. Hiding the beacon is a conspiracy that has gone on for three thousand years and is a collective stain akin to the Morning War or genophage regardless of the culpability of an individual. I hope they're sanctioned back to the Stone Age, never to rise again.

[Barquiel]

That doesn't have anything to do with Tevos. Let's say councilor elections are held every 4/8/12 years. It would be simply too risky for this small group of matriarchs on Thessia to inform every new councilor that they hide some prothean artifact in their temple. Large groups of people who don't know each other well are not a great idea if you want to keep a secret. Neither is there any real reason why a councilor needs this information. I can't think of a single scenario where this would be useful in negotiations. Apart from that, the councilor is a representative. Would you say your country's UN ambassador is the "highest level of government". He doesn't even have cabinet rank here.
Not to mention that her dialogue makes it clear that she doesn't know anything about the beacon.

Modifié par Barquiel, 18 octobre 2013 - 06:59 .

[Xilizhra]

jtav wrote...

Whether the councilor knew before she told Shepard is a bit beside the point. Hiding the beacon is a conspiracy that has gone on for three thousand years and is a collective stain akin to the Morning War or genophage regardless of the culpability of an individual. I hope they're sanctioned back to the Stone Age, never to rise again.

This is utterly idiotic and I'm surprised that you of all people are advocating this. It has nothing to do with the vast majority of their population throughout their entire history.

[Steelcan]

Given asari lifespans I find such terms laughably short. They also may be elected for life

[Barquiel]

Xilizhra wrote...

jtav wrote...

Whether the councilor knew before she told Shepard is a bit beside the point. Hiding the beacon is a conspiracy that has gone on for three thousand years and is a collective stain akin to the Morning War or genophage regardless of the culpability of an individual. I hope they're sanctioned back to the Stone Age, never to rise again.

This is utterly idiotic and I'm surprised that you of all people are advocating this. It has nothing to do with the vast majority of their population throughout their entire history.

The ending slides directly contradict this nonsense anyway.

[rashie]

Steelcan wrote...

I fail to see why the Councillor is not part of the highest levels of government.

Someone elected to hold a seat in the UN for their country do not necessarily have access to every single absolute top level government secret. If we where to draw a analogy i think this is the case with Tevos as well.

[Steelcan]

rashie wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I fail to see why the Councillor is not part of the highest levels of government.

Someone elected to hold a seat in the UN for their country do not necessarily have access to every single absolute top level government secret. If we where to draw a analogy i think this is the case with Tevos as well.

So speculation? 

[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

jtav wrote...

Whether the councilor knew before she told Shepard is a bit beside the point. Hiding the beacon is a conspiracy that has gone on for three thousand years and is a collective stain akin to the Morning War or genophage regardless of the culpability of an individual. I hope they're sanctioned back to the Stone Age, never to rise again.

This is utterly idiotic and I'm surprised that you of all people are advocating this. It has nothing to do with the vast majority of their population throughout their entire history.

The ending slides directly contradict this nonsense anyway.

The endingl slides only show Samara and Falere if you spared them, it shows nothing of the actual state of Thessia.

That said Jtav is taking it farther than I would.

I'd settle for mild sanctions, the forfiture of all prothean technology, and the other races being informed.  I might strip them of their vote in the Council for a while.

Modifié par Steelcan, 18 octobre 2013 - 07:10 .