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[CynicalShep]

Xilizhra wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

@ Xilizhra
Then lets assume she didn't (though if someone like Liara's mom knew I seriously doubt it). What would you do to prevent something like that from happening after the Reaper War?

Why bother? The beacon's destroyed and you can't hide newly discovered tech nearly as easily as you could something that you knew of before the Citadel government was even found. The Council's own rules should be sufficient.

So you wouldn't punish something that is breaking intergalactic law. That's hardly unexpected but interesting nonetheless. What makes you think that this won't set a precedent and nobody will do it again?

[Xilizhra]

Actually, there is a reason why the Councilor wouldn't mention some kind of hypothetical archive underneath the temple: it's the cache that gave the asari spaceflight and similar technologies, like the Mars one, and it's all obsolete by this point, probably having been so for thousands of years.

So you wouldn't punish something that is breaking intergalactic law.
That's hardly unexpected but interesting nonetheless. What makes you
think that this won't set a precedent and nobody will do it again?

Who's there to punish? I think everyone involved is dead. If there are any survivors, then yes, they should be investigated and dealt with.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 19 octobre 2013 - 03:54 .

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

If there had been some kind of archive there, why would the Councilor only mention the beacon?

Because that beacon is probably only one important about the Reapers?

Xilizhra wrote...

Actually, there is a reason why the Councilor wouldn't mention some kind of hypothetical archive underneath the temple: it's the cache that gave the asari spaceflight and similar technologies, like the Mars one, and it's all obsolete by this point, probably having been so for thousands of years.

That's a weak excuse and you know it, any prothean beacon should be shared no matter what

Modifié par AresKeith, 19 octobre 2013 - 03:55 .

[Hazegurl]

What we learn from that Thessia mission.

The Asari Goddess Athame was obviously a Prothean and they (the Asari) are capable of cracking the secrets of Prothean tech. Liara also says that the info from the beacon (the few records she could access) talked about tapping into Prothean data streams and reconstructing matrices. It seems like the single beacon was used to gain multiple pieces of Prothean info over a thousand years. Their entire civilization was built on a single beacon. What was that about that beacon not being helpful on it's own?

Edit: I forgot about the beacons under the floor. lol! Seems like the single beacon line was said before finding all of them underground.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 19 octobre 2013 - 04:02 .

[Xilizhra]

That's a weak excuse and you know it, any prothean beacon should be shared no matter what

Perhaps, but it's not like the asari people had any say in it, not knowing about it and all.

[CynicalShep]

Xilizhra wrote...

Actually, there is a reason why the Councilor wouldn't mention some kind of hypothetical archive underneath the temple: it's the cache that gave the asari spaceflight and similar technologies, like the Mars one, and it's all obsolete by this point, probably having been so for thousands of years.

So you wouldn't punish something that is breaking intergalactic law.
That's hardly unexpected but interesting nonetheless. What makes you
think that this won't set a precedent and nobody will do it again?

Who's there to punish? I think everyone involved is dead. If there are any survivors, then yes, they should be investigated and dealt with.

I remember some encrypted stuff that the Shadow Broker couldn't crack being mentioned on the way to that mission. Saying that the cache has been obsolete for thousands of years is a pretty big leap of faith. Believing that it has something relevant to the war effort and informing Shepard about it probably means it was still fairly relevant, no?
And how would you punish the Matriarchs for it?

[Xilizhra]

CynicalShep wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Actually, there is a reason why the Councilor wouldn't mention some kind of hypothetical archive underneath the temple: it's the cache that gave the asari spaceflight and similar technologies, like the Mars one, and it's all obsolete by this point, probably having been so for thousands of years.

So you wouldn't punish something that is breaking intergalactic law.
That's hardly unexpected but interesting nonetheless. What makes you
think that this won't set a precedent and nobody will do it again?

Who's there to punish? I think everyone involved is dead. If there are any survivors, then yes, they should be investigated and dealt with.

I remember some encrypted stuff that the Shadow Broker couldn't crack being mentioned on the way to that mission. Saying that the cache has been obsolete for thousands of years is a pretty big leap of faith. Believing that it has something relevant to the war effort and informing Shepard about it probably means it was still fairly relevant, no?
And how would you punish the Matriarchs for it?

Well, the beacon itself might have something if it hasn't been cracked yet, and Shepard might be able to do something with the Cipher.

Also, quietly. If this board has proven anything, too many idiots would be unable to distinguish between a few asari leaders and the entire species, and that's not something that I should allow. Ideally, no one else will ever know about this. What I should do if there are survivors, I haven't yet decided.

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

That's a weak excuse and you know it, any prothean beacon should be shared no matter what

Perhaps, but it's not like the asari people had any say in it, not knowing about it and all.

ok and? I never said anything about that

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

That's a weak excuse and you know it, any prothean beacon should be shared no matter what

Perhaps, but it's not like the asari people had any say in it, not knowing about it and all.

They did.  The asari governemnt is made of the entirety of the asari population. 

So lets assume that only 3% of the "asari governemnt was aware", assume a population of about 12 billions, thats still hundreds of thousands of people

Modifié par Steelcan, 19 octobre 2013 - 04:04 .

[PwrdOff]

If anything, the asari are a perfect metaphor for people who love to tout their own cultural superiority while remaining blissfully ignorant of how this status was actually achieved. And unlike our blue skinned friends, these people can't use some millennia-old cover up as an excuse for being uninformed.

[Xilizhra]

If anything, the asari are a perfect metaphor for people who love to tout their own cultural superiority while remaining blissfully ignorant of how this status was actually achieved. And unlike our blue skinned friends, these people can't use some millennia-old cover up as an excuse for being uninformed.

Culturally, the asari got their on their own; any help was only technological. Technology can't make culture, as was so blatantly shown with the krogan.

[CynicalShep]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, the beacon itself might have something if it hasn't been cracked yet, and Shepard might be able to do something with the Cipher.

Also, quietly. If this board has proven anything, too many idiots would be unable to distinguish between a few asari leaders and the entire species, and that's not something that I should allow. Ideally, no one else will ever know about this. What I should do if there are survivors, I haven't yet decided.

Look, what I can't wrap my head around is the fact that you're so convinced that there wasn't anything worth sharing. The game makes it pretty clear that that's not the case.

And there will be survivors, believe me. Even if the Asari lost more than half of their population leadership would be bunkered down somewhere safely, because of how "important" they are.

And your defense of Asari is unreasonable. While I'm sure that not the entire population knew about it, why hide a crime of this magnitude from the community? Isn't making an example of the Matriarchs more desirable? How else are you going to make sure it doesn't happen again? 

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

If anything, the asari are a perfect metaphor for people who love to tout their own cultural superiority while remaining blissfully ignorant of how this status was actually achieved. And unlike our blue skinned friends, these people can't use some millennia-old cover up as an excuse for being uninformed.

Culturally, the asari got their on their own; any help was only technological. Technology can't make culture, as was so blatantly shown with the krogan.

Culture isn't responsible for their dominance.  The meddling of the protheans is to thank.  Giving them all biotics, messing with who knows what else in the process, teaching them in order to jump start their development.

[Steelcan]

CynicalShep wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, the beacon itself might have something if it hasn't been cracked yet, and Shepard might be able to do something with the Cipher.

Also, quietly. If this board has proven anything, too many idiots would be unable to distinguish between a few asari leaders and the entire species, and that's not something that I should allow. Ideally, no one else will ever know about this. What I should do if there are survivors, I haven't yet decided.

Look, what I can't wrap my head around is the fact that you're so convinced that there wasn't anything worth sharing. The game makes it pretty clear that that's not the case.

And there will be survivors, believe me. Even if the Asari lost more than half of their population leadership would be bunkered down somewhere safely, because of how "important" they are.

And your defense of Asari is unreasonable. While I'm sure that not the entire population knew about it, why hide a crime of this magnitude from the community? Isn't making an example of the Matriarchs more desirable? How else are you going to make sure it doesn't happen again? 

You didn't know?  Asari are immune from law

[DuskWanderer]

Xilizhra wrote...

It was a prerequisite for getting the beacon's main reason for existing working, as we can clearly see in the scene itself. Whether anything else is on there is purely conjectural.

As has been stated in the topic, being a Prothean is not necessary to learn things from Prothean treasure troves. There was no Cypher when Shep went to Eden Prime, but the Council took the beacon very seriously. There was no Cypher for all of the races to decipher the beacon. 

More to the point, why would Tevos/Irissa send Shepard to Thessia if they didn't know anything about the beacon? Even if you discount that every squadmate can see what happened, the Matriarchs would not send Shepard to a war zone on a lark. 

We also see that Benezia, an extremely powerful matriarch, was known to have heavily encrypted files, and the temple itself, a doctrine few followed, had military grade security and classified funding. It all suggests asari racial secret. 

Sorry, friend, that's just the way it is.

[Br3admax]

CynicalShep wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, the beacon itself might have something if it hasn't been cracked yet, and Shepard might be able to do something with the Cipher.

Also, quietly. If this board has proven anything, too many idiots would be unable to distinguish between a few asari leaders and the entire species, and that's not something that I should allow. Ideally, no one else will ever know about this. What I should do if there are survivors, I haven't yet decided.

Look, what I can't wrap my head around is the fact that you're so convinced that there wasn't anything worth sharing. The game makes it pretty clear that that's not the case.

And there will be survivors, believe me. Even if the Asari lost more than half of their population leadership would be bunkered down somewhere safely, because of how "important" they are.

And your defense of Asari is unreasonable. While I'm sure that not the entire population knew about it, why hide a crime of this magnitude from the community? Isn't making an example of the Matriarchs more desirable? How else are you going to make sure it doesn't happen again? 

Stop thinking and embrace eternity already, sheesh.

Modifié par Br3ad, 19 octobre 2013 - 04:11 .

[Xilizhra]

Look, what I can't wrap my head around is the fact that you're so convinced that there wasn't anything worth sharing. The game makes it pretty clear that that's not the case.

I'm not convinced that there was anything worth sharing that seemed immediately useful, and that wasn't being offered just as a complete shot in the dark on the basis that Shepard might find something that everyone else missed.

And there will be survivors, believe me. Even if the Asari lost more than half of their population leadership would be bunkered down somewhere safely, because of how "important" they are.

Note that Reapers will target these locations.

And your defense of Asari is unreasonable. While I'm sure that not the entire population knew about it, why hide a crime of this magnitude from the community? Isn't making an example of the Matriarchs more desirable? How else are you going to make sure it doesn't happen again?

It can't happen again, the circumstances aren't repeatable. It involved the founding race of the Council having a pre-spaceflight artifact that they didn't share. And no one would try to repeat this feat if no one knew.

As has been stated in the topic, being a Prothean is not necessary to
learn things from Prothean treasure troves. There was no Cypher when
Shep went to Eden Prime, but the Council took the beacon very seriously.
There was no Cypher for all of the races to decipher the beacon.

The beacons work somewhat differently from other Prothean archives.

More to the point, why would Tevos/Irissa send Shepard to Thessia if
they didn't know anything about the beacon? Even if you discount that
every squadmate can see what happened, the Matriarchs would not send
Shepard to a war zone on a lark.

They'd only be informed right before the mission.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 19 octobre 2013 - 04:13 .

[wolfhowwl]

Steelcan wrote...
They did.  The asari governemnt is made of the entirety of the asari population. 

So lets assume that only 3% of the "asari governemnt was aware", assume a population of about 12 billions, thats still hundreds of thousands of people

This was obviously only known by a small cabal at the highest levels of the government (by government I mean the bureacracy that actually runs the country).

Just sayin'

As for punishment the individuals that participated in this conspiracy would be tried under the laws of the Council.

The Asari Republics would also have to pay heavy economic reparations due to the unfair advantage this treachery had given them for so long.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 19 octobre 2013 - 04:15 .

[Seboist]

The Asari should have their seat on the council revoked for keeping the beacon a secret for this long and the remaining Matriarchs imprisoned or executed.

[Steelcan]

Seboist wrote...

The Asari should have their seat on the council revoked for keeping the beacon a secret for this long and the remaining Matriarchs imprisoned or executed.

Thessia

Modifié par Steelcan, 19 octobre 2013 - 04:14 .

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

If anything, the asari are a perfect metaphor for people who love to tout their own cultural superiority while remaining blissfully ignorant of how this status was actually achieved. And unlike our blue skinned friends, these people can't use some millennia-old cover up as an excuse for being uninformed.

Culturally, the asari got their on their own; any help was only technological. Technology can't make culture, as was so blatantly shown with the krogan.

lolwhat?  

The Protheans had everything to do with how the Asari became what they are

[Br3admax]

Xilizhra wrote...

Look, what I can't wrap my head around is the fact that you're so convinced that there wasn't anything worth sharing. The game makes it pretty clear that that's not the case.

I'm not convinced that there was anything worth sharing that seemed immediately useful, and that wasn't being offered just as a complete shot in the dark on the basis that Shepard might find something that everyone else missed.

What does this mean? All knowledge is immediately useful. When prothean developments are found, and it's your only shot, why wouldn't everything be useful. 

And there will be survivors, believe me. Even if the Asari lost more than half of their population leadership would be bunkered down somewhere safely, because of how "important" they are.

Note that Reapers will target these locations.

Note, that they won't. They are harvesting, not using political tactics. Otherwise the Citadel would be target number one, instead of sixteen. 

And your defense of Asari is unreasonable. While I'm sure that not the entire population knew about it, why hide a crime of this magnitude from the community? Isn't making an example of the Matriarchs more desirable? How else are you going to make sure it doesn't happen again?

It can't happen again, the circumstances aren't repeatable. It involved the founding race of the Council having a pre-spaceflight artifact that they didn't share. And no one would try to repeat this feat if no one knew.

This makes absolutely no sense in the slightest. You weren't even trying here. 

[Xilizhra]

The Asari Republics would also likely have to pay heavy economic reparations due to the unfair advantage this treachery had given them for so long.

This would only fairly apply to knowing beneficiaries, so... any reparations would have to be paid for personally by anyone directly involved. Which likely won't be all that much.

[Steelcan]

You gotta love this insanity that Xil is throwing to protect the blue waifus

[PwrdOff]

You know, I do kind of feel bad for Tevos. She seems to just be this bimbo that the matriarchs threw out there to be the face of their people that the other races could drool over, following Aethyta's logic, without having any real input in deciding their policies.