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[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

The Asari Republics would also likely have to pay heavy economic reparations due to the unfair advantage this treachery had given them for so long.

This would only fairly apply to knowing beneficiaries, so... any reparations would have to be paid for personally by anyone directly involved. Which likely won't be all that much.

You clearly are't familiar with the concept of reparations

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

You gotta love this insanity that Xil is throwing to protect the blue waifus

I find the amount of vitriol to be more disturbing, quite frankly.

[Barquiel]

The beacon on Thessia belonged to a scientist and was locked for one reason or another. Javik says it's "the memory of one of his people". Ok, let's assume the asari learned something advanced from the beacon (they couldn't activate), so what? All advanced galactic civilizations are based on Prothean technology. Is the prothean technology stored on Thessia somehow better/more advanced than the prothean technology stored on Mars or Palavan?

EDI explicitly says you need the cypher to comprehend the beacon (after you've discovered the true nature of the beacon, and not when you see it for the first time). We're told that the species in our cycle couldn't activate prothean beacons, as we were not evolved to the same mental capability of them. Did the scientist assume the asari would evolve it, or that some protheans would emerge from stasis to activate it? And if the Asari couldn't activate the VI...how did they learn anything?

That leads to three equally stupid possibilities...

- The asari could activate the VI and knew about the Reapers. Problem: Shepard, Liara, Javik and EDI are wrong. Benezia was lying (or thought Saren is a way bigger threat than a reaper invasion). And the vendetta VI is also talking nonsense.

- The asari got technology, but not the reaper warning. Problem: Why would the VI grant technological advances to the asari without warning them about the Reapers? That would make the protheans complete morons.

- The asari didn't get any information out of the beacon. Problem: We're told that the asari are the most advanced species because of the beacon.

I guess it is possible that the asari have been deriving their technological head start simply from studying the operation of the beacon, rather than actually accessing the information it contained. That's still the most likely explanation, imo. The Asari got a head start compared to other races in our cycle, but the beacon didn't spit out a new technology every 10 years to ensure asari dominance.

And again, even if somehow the asari could have activated the VI, Vendetta is programmed to withold the relevant information until the crucible is complete. The game makes this crystal clear, and doesn't really leave any room for speculation. Revealing the beacon earlier wouldn't have change anything (well, maybe it would never have activated).

Modifié par Barquiel, 19 octobre 2013 - 04:20 .

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

You gotta love this insanity that Xil is throwing to protect the blue waifus

I find the amount of vitriol to be more disturbing, quite frankly.

[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

EDI explicitly says you need the cypher to comprehend the beacon (after you've discovered the true nature of the beacon, and not when you see it for the first time). We're told that the species in our cycle couldn't activate prothean beacons, as we were not evolved to the same mental capability of them. Did the scientist assume the asari would evolve it, or that some protheans would emerge from stasis to activate it? And if the Asari couldn't activate the VI...how did they learn anything?

1.  EDI could have just easily been saying that to comfort Liara's hurt little feelings

2.  Liara immediately responds that she could have still learned from it

3.  The Protheans already did tweak the asari, who knows what else they planned

[spirosz]

Steelcan wrote...


3.  The Protheans already did tweak the asari, who knows what else they planned

I believe the all blue was a mistake, clearly green is the better colour. 

[Seboist]

BNN999 wrote...

You know, I do kind of feel bad for Tevos. She seems to just be this bimbo that the matriarchs threw out there to be the face of their people that the other races could drool over, following Aethyta's logic, without having any real input in deciding their policies.

Luckily she's long dead by the time of ME3 in my game and hope to see her successor swinging from a noose after the ending.

[Steelcan]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

BNN999 wrote...

You know, I do kind of feel bad for Tevos. She seems to just be this bimbo that the matriarchs threw out there to be the face of their people that the other races could drool over, following Aethyta's logic, without having any real input in deciding their policies.

Not to go after this post specifically (it just happens to be the latest one I saw) but why does everyone always talk about Tevos like she's canonically there in ME3? Am I the only one who let the original Council members die?

I can never remember Tevos 2.0's name

[Br3admax]

Barquiel wrote...

The beacon on Thessia belonged to a scientist and was locked for one reason or another. Javik says it's "the memory of one of his people". Ok, let's assume the asari learned something advanced from the beacon (they couldn't activate), so what? All advanced galactic civilizations are based on Prothean technology. Is the prothean technology stored on Thessia somehow better/more advanced than the prothean technology stored on Mars or Palavan?

/plays the game
Yes.

EDI explicitly says you need the cypher to comprehend the beacon (after you've discovered the true nature of the beacon, and not when you see it for the first time). We're told that the species in our cycle couldn't activate prothean beacons, as we were not evolved to the same mental capability of them. Did the scientist assume the asari would evolve it, or that some protheans would emerge from stasis to activate it? And if the Asari couldn't activate the VI...how did they learn anything?

I doubt that the Protheans would leave beacons for no one to activate. Especially not their chosen waifu race supreme overlord, mega stripper commandos, who can move things with their minds.

That leads to three equally stupid possibilities...

- The asari could activate the VI and knew about the Reapers. Problem: Shepard, Liara, Javik and EDI are wrong. Benezia was lying (or thought Saren is a way bigger threat than a reaper invasion). And the vendetta VI is also talking nonsense.

No.

- The asari got technology, but not the reaper warning. Problem: Why would the VI grant technological advances to the asari without warning them about the Reapers? That would make the protheans complete morons.

And sense mattered when?

- The asari didn't get any information out of the beacon. Problem: We're told that the asari are the most advanced species because of the beacon.

No.

I guess it is possible that the asari have been deriving their technological head start simply from studying the operation of the beacon, rather than actually accessing the information it contained. That's still the most likely explanation, imo. The Asari got a head start compared to other races in our cycle, but the beacon didn't spit out a new technology every 10 years to ensure asari dominance.

And again, even if somehow the asari could have activated the VI, Vendetta is programmed to withold the relevant information until the crucible is complete. The game makes this crystal clear, and doesn't really leave any room for speculation.

My guess is that they were running out of ideas after Rannonch. So why not throw a beacon in? Why not throw in another VI? Why not make this impossible challenge come up with Reapers, and hookers, and Black Jack? Yeah, with a space ninja. Hellz yeah! And a prothean too, yes! This is gold! Liara badazz time. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 19 octobre 2013 - 04:25 .

[CynicalShep]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not convinced that there was anything worth sharing that seemed immediately useful, and that wasn't being offered just as a complete shot in the dark on the basis that Shepard might find something that everyone else missed.

That's another big leap of faith. "Immediately useful" aside, why wasn't it shared before the war? Especially if it was as obsolete as you suggested.

Xilizhra wrote... 

Note that Reapers will target these locations.

Unlikely to find them all even if that's what Reapers are looking for (which it really isn't).

Xilizhra wrote...

It can't happen again, the circumstances aren't repeatable. It involved the founding race of the Council having a pre-spaceflight artifact that they didn't share. And no one would try to repeat this feat if no one knew.

Doesn't matter. They can hide it all the same. And don't you think that the info will come out on its own after the war? All it takes is one person that knows it. 

BNN999 wrote...

You know, I do kind of feel bad for Tevos. She seems to just be this bimbo that the matriarchs threw out there to be the face of their people that the other races could drool over, following Aethyta's logic, without having any real input in deciding their policies.

Would tap that bimbo, tbh

Modifié par CynicalShep, 19 octobre 2013 - 04:35 .

[PwrdOff]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

BNN999 wrote...

You know, I do kind of feel bad for Tevos. She seems to just be this bimbo that the matriarchs threw out there to be the face of their people that the other races could drool over, following Aethyta's logic, without having any real input in deciding their policies.

Not to go after this post specifically (it just happens to be the latest one I saw) but why does everyone always talk about Tevos like she's canonically there in ME3? Am I the only one who let the original Council members die?

Edit: Just saw Seb's post above mine. Good myn.

I suppose what I said applies equally to her replacement.  I did a no import playthrough of ME3 and couldn't tell the two of them apart.

I mean, compared to the way that the other councilors constantly harangue you throughout the series, the asari councilors just seem to be complete lightweights.

@CynicalShep - Is that Tevos?  I thought her face tattoos were white.

Modifié par BNN999, 19 octobre 2013 - 04:36 .

[Seboist]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The Asari Republics would also likely have to pay heavy economic reparations due to the unfair advantage this treachery had given them for so long.

This would only fairly apply to knowing beneficiaries, so... any reparations would have to be paid for personally by anyone directly involved. Which likely won't be all that much.

You clearly are't familiar with the concept of reparations

I'd like the Asari reperations to include revoking several of the colonies and granting them to other species as compensation for war loss.

[Steelcan]

Seboist wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The Asari Republics would also likely have to pay heavy economic reparations due to the unfair advantage this treachery had given them for so long.

This would only fairly apply to knowing beneficiaries, so... any reparations would have to be paid for personally by anyone directly involved. Which likely won't be all that much.

You clearly are't familiar with the concept of reparations

I'd like the Asari reperations to include revoking several of the colonies and granting them to other species as compensation for war loss.

Humanity needs the room.

And maybe the krogan can get Lusia:devil:

[CynicalShep]

Barquiel wrote...

- The asari got technology, but not the reaper warning. Problem: Why would the VI grant technological advances to the asari without warning them about the Reapers? That would make the protheans complete morons.

Because they were 2 different pieces of hardware. One was made so it can only be interacted with by organics (beacon) in order to hide it from the Reapers (who are partially organic, hurrdurr). The other one was free for all like the cache on Mars.

[Barquiel]

Br3ad wrote...

My guess is that they were running out of ideas after Rannonch. So why not throw a beacon in? Why not throw in another VI? Why not make this impossible challenge come up with Reapers, and hookers, and Black Jack? Yeah, with a space ninja. Hellz yeah! And a prothean too, yes! This is gold! Liara badazz time. 

I admit that the fact  no one managed to pick up on the Reapers before Eden Prime is very difficult to accept. Humanity was able to get enough from Mars archives to quickly build starships, but came across nothing about the Reapers until Liara had a look?

[Xilizhra]

That's another big leap of faith. "Immediately useful" aside, why wasn't it shared before the war? Especially if it was as obsolete as you suggested.

No clue. We never meet those responsible for hiding it.

Doesn't matter. They can hide it all the same. And don't you think that the info will come out on its own after the war? All it takes is one person that knows it.

Then use standard channels for dealing with new occurrences of it, as were used on Garvug, and whether the information will come out... well, Anderson's dead, and I think the only remaining ones who know are my squadmates and Hackett. Would there be a leak there? I might need to lean on Hackett specifically.

[CynicalShep]

BNN999 wrote...

@CynicalShep - Is that Tevos?  I thought her face tattoos were white.

The lights are weird on it. And yes, it's Tevos stuff from deviantart, from the same place where I got the Council picture.

[AresKeith]

CynicalShep wrote...

BNN999 wrote...

@CynicalShep - Is that Tevos?  I thought her face tattoos were white.

The lights are weird on it. And yes, it's Tevos stuff from deviantart, from the same place where I got the Council picture.

Don't mess with Aria's secret waifu 

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

That's another big leap of faith. "Immediately useful" aside, why wasn't it shared before the war? Especially if it was as obsolete as you suggested.

No clue. We never meet those responsible for hiding it.

Doesn't matter. They can hide it all the same. And don't you think that the info will come out on its own after the war? All it takes is one person that knows it.

Then use standard channels for dealing with new occurrences of it, as were used on Garvug, and whether the information will come out... well, Anderson's dead, and I think the only remaining ones who know are my squadmates and Hackett. Would there be a leak there? I might need to lean on Hackett specifically.

In case I haven't mentioned it recently, your headcanon is repulsive

Modifié par Steelcan, 19 octobre 2013 - 04:45 .

[CynicalShep]

Xilizhra wrote...

No clue. We never meet those responsible for hiding it.

Probably because it wasn't obsolete just yet?

Xilizhra wrote...

Then use standard channels for dealing with new occurrences of it, as were used on Garvug, and whether the information will come out... well, Anderson's dead, and I think the only remaining ones who know are my squadmates and Hackett. Would there be a leak there? I might need to lean on Hackett specifically.

Well, my Shepard would make that public knowledge. Yours clearly wouldn't. Think Hackett and co will just keep quiet, though?

[CynicalShep]

AresKeith wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

BNN999 wrote...

@CynicalShep - Is that Tevos?  I thought her face tattoos were white.

The lights are weird on it. And yes, it's Tevos stuff from deviantart, from the same place where I got the Council picture.

Don't mess with Aria's secret waifu 

I would help Aria to an unfortunate accident and then help myself to Tevos. No Shepard like renegade Shepard.

[Br3admax]

If you honestly believe that only Hackett would know, then you don't get how military intelligence works.

[PwrdOff]

AresKeith wrote...
Don't mess with Aria's secret waifu 

See, that's a perfect example of Tevos being useless.  You figure that with the asari being the leading race in the galaxy, she'd be like the first among equals within the Council, and therefore basically the leader of the entirety of Council space.  And what does she do with all that power?  Not a goddamn thing.