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[dreamgazer]

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...
Wait, we aren't?

Really concerned about the voices in my head now.

If one of them has a somewhat low but bored sounding voice that's me, just fyi.

Phew.  Hey, what's up? 

[David7204]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

You could always go with a virus. That's a common machine trope, right? Maybe R&D it from the dead Rannoch Reaper. Have people do hit and runs on Reapers until it's up and running. Fun, fun, use those war assets. Not the best writing idea, but it's also not a magic solution and it's different from a super weapon. Sort of like the Cylon virus in BSG.

Why has it never been used before?
Why are Reapers so defenseless towards such a thing?
Why don't the Reapers use it on the allied fleets? 

Modifié par David7204, 01 octobre 2013 - 02:40 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

So then then there's no way out. The reapers are too powerful, so anything that actually defeats them is going to be some kind of asspull, because the other two games do not present any potential chinks in the reapers' armor.

Unfortunate, but true. And it's by design.

That's why I don't have a problem with a device like the Crucible, if it were more naturally introduced and discussed across the game. 

Ditto. I have no problem with the concept of the Crucible, or with a superweapon itself. I just wish it had more foreshadowing and a better execution.

[AresKeith]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

You could always go with a virus. That's a common machine trope, right? Maybe R&D it from the dead Rannoch Reaper. Have people do hit and runs on Reapers until it's up and running. Fun, fun, use those war assets. Not the best writing idea, but it's also not a magic solution and it's different from a super weapon. Sort of like the Cylon virus in BSG.

Use the virus to overload their barrier or damage their organic cores?

Well, the example I used had the machines get "sick" while they died a slow death. However, those were humanoid machines. Reapers are a little different. Since the game has you focus on War Assets, I think the virus weakining them to the point where they are fightable makes for the most satisfying solution in this universe.

I made a thread similar to that a long while ago, basically reused The Crucible for that purpose

[KaiserShep]

Basically, the Crucible was a necessity. Without it, there's absolutely no proper solution to deal with every reaper in the galaxy. The relay network is the only viable option for the narrative, but you can't just have it be something hidden in the Citadel, because that's a convenient weakness that should have been exploited ages ago too.

[David7204]

No, it isn't.

If this was a linear story, making a satisfying conventional victory would be fairly easy without significantly changing either the Reapers or state of the galaxy.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

No, it isn't.

If this was a linear story, making a satisfying conventional victory would be fairly easy without significantly changing either the Reapers or state of the galaxy.

You've been saying this for quite a while, David, but I haven't seen a proper explanation as to how. 

[GreyLycanTrope]

dreamgazer wrote...
Phew.  Hey, what's up? 

Well I made the mistake of buying Halloween candy 2 months ahead of time, needless to say I've already eaten most of it. Note to selves buy more candy.

[David7204]

Did I not post an explanation last time you asked this? An amalgam of various smaller ideas and victories.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

No, it isn't.

If this was a linear story, making a satisfying conventional victory would be fairly easy without significantly changing either the Reapers or state of the galaxy.

It absolutely is a necessity. The trilogy goes out of its way to show that the Reapers are way overpowered and numerous to be defeated conventionally.

I'm starting to think that this is what you think Shepard is capable of.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

Did I not post an explanation last time you asked this? An amalgam of various smaller ideas and victories.

I don't believe so, or maybe I missed it. Do you have it saved somewhere?

[KaiserShep]

David7204 wrote...

No, it isn't.

If this was a linear story, making a satisfying conventional victory would be fairly easy without significantly changing either the Reapers or state of the galaxy.

There is no way to have a conventional victory with this setup. By the final act, the reapers have occupied every major world and occupy just about every system. They vastly outnumber the entirety of the galactic fleets, have tons of monsters made from the dead, and can indoctrinate. They are hugely overpowered and numerous. How would you even have a victory without the Crucible without significantly changing how difficult it is to even destroy a single Sovereign class reaper? There's also the fact that the entirety of the galaxy's fleets are having trouble with the reapers in just one system. By that rate, there would be no ships left to even meet the reapers head on in the next system, let alone the one after that. It would be a long drawn out fight to extinction.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 01 octobre 2013 - 02:49 .

[dreamgazer]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...
Phew.  Hey, what's up? 

Well I made the mistake of buying Halloween candy 2 months ahead of time, needless to say I've already eaten most of it. Note to selves buy more candy.

Oh God, I forgot Holloween is coming up. All those rotten kids. Eeergh. >

Shush.  Halloween is marvelous. 

[Steelcan]

Indoctrination Theory



there this thread will now be locked

[David7204]

KaiserShep wrote...

David7204 wrote...

No, it isn't.

If this was a linear story, making a satisfying conventional victory would be fairly easy without significantly changing either the Reapers or state of the galaxy.

There is no way to have a conventional victory with this setup. By the final act, the reapers have occupied every major world and occupy just about every system. They vastly outnumber the entirety of the galactic fleets, have tons of monsters made from the dead, and can indoctrinate. They are hugely overpowered and numerous. How would you even have a victory without the Crucible? 

Which is why there's a different final act? And different development of ME 3 in general? 

Modifié par David7204, 01 octobre 2013 - 02:49 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...
Phew.  Hey, what's up? 

Well I made the mistake of buying Halloween candy 2 months ahead of time, needless to say I've already eaten most of it. Note to selves buy more candy.

Oh God, I forgot Holloween is coming up. All those rotten kids. Eeergh. >

Shush.  Halloween is marvelous. 

Tonight's the night... 

Not very original, but I convinced a lady friend to dress up in nothing but shrink wrap and duct tape so we'd have the couple theme.

[KaiserShep]

Different how? What would be changed without changing the reapers themselves?

[dreamgazer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...
Phew.  Hey, what's up? 

Well I made the mistake of buying Halloween candy 2 months ahead of time, needless to say I've already eaten most of it. Note to selves buy more candy.

Oh God, I forgot Holloween is coming up. All those rotten kids. Eeergh. >

Shush.  Halloween is marvelous. 

Tonight's the night... 

Not very original, but I convinced a lady friend to dress up in nothing but shrink wrap and duct tape so we'd have the couple theme.

Just make sure she has a better ending to her night than the show did, sir.  Shouldn't be tough, though. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...
Phew.  Hey, what's up? 

Well I made the mistake of buying Halloween candy 2 months ahead of time, needless to say I've already eaten most of it. Note to selves buy more candy.

Oh God, I forgot Holloween is coming up. All those rotten kids. Eeergh. >

Shush.  Halloween is marvelous. 

Tonight's the night... 

Not very original, but I convinced a lady friend to dress up in nothing but shrink wrap and duct tape so we'd have the couple theme.

Just make sure she has a better ending to her night than the show did, sir.  Shouldn't be tough, though. 

If Fiddles would join me, she could be Hannah. That'd be awesome and sweet.