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[Dayze]

One of the things that has been mentioned is that the Qunari have higher levels of technology.

 Well; I know they have cannon's and gunpowder or whatever but that doesn't mean they are a higher level technology as a whole.

I mean; their boats are basically the same aren't they?

Their armor is like what, a helmet, leather pants and shoulder guards?  I would say most other groups are notably ahead of them in that department.  

Weapons, they had axes and stuff but it seemed like a lot of them were using primitive looking spears in DA2....not only that but most of them basically didn't have armor, the grunts I mean.

[Br3admax]

Thedas=Europe/Northern Africa. Par Vollen=Turkey. Qunari=Ottoman Empire. Gaatlok=Ottoman cannons. More or less anyway. That's it really. They also have superior weaponry, like the Ottomans. They are more high tech, if only slightly. Think of mages as Greek Fire if this makes the analogy any better for you.

Modifié par Br3ad, 30 septembre 2013 - 08:35 .

[Vicious]

We've yet to see them on their home turf or an actual invasion force... So far we've only seen Sten and a group of castaways.

[Br3admax]

Vicious wrote...

We've yet to see them on their home turf or an actual invasion force... So far we've only seen Sten and a group of castaways.

I'm pretty sure this is no longer true. Sten and his Qunari are not castaways. 

[AutumnWitch]

In DA there is mention of their "Steel armour".

"Almost before the rest of Thedas had heard of the qunari’s appearance in Par Vollen they were invading the mainland, striking first into Rivain and Seheron. The defenders of those lands were hardly a match for qunari discipline and technology. One shot of the mighty cannons, the likes of which our ancestors of the time had never seen before, brought troops to their knees. Qunari warriors in glittering steel armor carved through the defenders with ease. History calls this the First Qunari War, but it was mostly a one-sided bloodbath, with the qunari advancing far into Tevinter within ten years. "

[Swoopdogg]

Br3ad wrote...

Thedas=Europe/Northern Africa. Par Vollen=Turkey. Qunari=Ottoman Empire. Gaatlok=Ottoman cannons. More or less anyway. That's it really. They also have superior weaponry, like the Ottomans. They are more high tech, if only slightly. Think of mages as Greek Fire if this makes the analogy any better for you.

Eh, I wouldn't say it exactly = Ottoman Empire. Yes, there are similarities, but I'd say the Qunari are more along the lines of the East as a whole (if we're comparing it to real world history)

That being said, Thedas is its own world apart from mideval/ Renaissance Europe (obviously) so they can mix and match cultures and create entirely different ones. After all, how would you explain Rivain?

[Johun]

Qunari dreadnoughts are far superior to anything humans can muster.

They have gunpowder and chemical weapons.

While I think the bare-chested look of the Qunari in DA2 was a stylistic choice(likely subject to change in DA:I), there is some lore reasoning behind it. First of all, as Vicious points out, the Arishok and his cronies are survivors of a shipwreck, heavier armor would either have been abandoned or the men wearing it would have drowned.

However in the comic Those Who Speak we see the Qunari on their home turf, and they are wearing much the same attire as the ones we saw in Kirkwall. Perhaps the Qunari lack heavy armor because they have settled in a tropical jungle, where they have been waging constant war for centuries. Even given the superior qunari constitution evidenced by Sten, metal armor in such an environment would be extremely uncomfortable and hard to maintain.

It's interesting that the qunari have a high level of technology despite the fact that they are physically so strong and durable. Mordin told me technology is born out of limitations.

[Br3admax]

Swoopdogg wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Thedas=Europe/Northern Africa. Par Vollen=Turkey. Qunari=Ottoman Empire. Gaatlok=Ottoman cannons. More or less anyway. That's it really. They also have superior weaponry, like the Ottomans. They are more high tech, if only slightly. Think of mages as Greek Fire if this makes the analogy any better for you.

Eh, I wouldn't say it exactly = Ottoman Empire. Yes, there are similarities, but I'd say the Qunari are more along the lines of the East as a whole (if we're comparing it to real world history)

That being said, Thedas is its own world apart from mideval/ Renaissance Europe (obviously) so they can mix and match cultures and create entirely different ones. After all, how would you explain Rivain?

Well generally "more or less" means more or less. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

David Gaider said on these forums that the qunari actually have the greatest level of sanitation and hygiene/medical technology and techniques, along with being the healthiest, thanks to their "waste nothing" mentality. That would suggest some form of technological advancement over thedas in some manner.

[Herr Uhl]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

David Gaider said on these forums that the qunari actually have the greatest level of sanitation and hygiene/medical technology and techniques, along with being the healthiest, thanks to their "waste nothing" mentality. That would suggest some form of technological advancement over thedas in some manner.

I assume they're relatively more advanced in civilan fields as compared to other races, except the dwarves possibly (smokeless coal is pretty sweet).

Agricultural techniques are usually not explored a lot in RPG's, for obvious reasons.

[Xilizhra]

The qunari have high technology. Whether they've developed it is open to question.

[Potato Cat]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

David Gaider said on these forums that the qunari actually have the greatest level of sanitation and hygiene/medical technology and techniques, along with being the healthiest, thanks to their "waste nothing" mentality. That would suggest some form of technological advancement over thedas in some manner.

I assume they're relatively more advanced in civilan fields as compared to other races, except the dwarves possibly (smokeless coal is pretty sweet).

Agricultural techniques are usually not explored a lot in RPG's, for obvious reasons.

Replaying Awakening right now and the dwarves definitely see themselves as technological rivals with the Qunari. It's quite cute with their little Napoleon complexes! I hope Dagna is especially curious about Qunquisitors and or any Qunari allies we collect.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

David Gaider said on these forums that the qunari actually have the greatest level of sanitation and hygiene/medical technology and techniques, along with being the healthiest, thanks to their "waste nothing" mentality. That would suggest some form of technological advancement over thedas in some manner.

I assume they're relatively more advanced in civilan fields as compared to other races, except the dwarves possibly (smokeless coal is pretty sweet).

Agricultural techniques are usually not explored a lot in RPG's, for obvious reasons.

You need to only look at dustown to see where all the sanitation of the dwarves end. I don't think the qunari have slums, like thedas does. It waste resources to have people out of work, and to have them living in unhealthy conditions. More than likely they are given a state issued ration, enough for them to maintain healthy levels of nutrients to work at their best, and living conditions to keep them as healthy as possible to keep them working at higher and longer levels.

Of course the social practices of such a society, in many regards, counteracts their generosity.

[Han Shot First]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

David Gaider said on these forums that the qunari actually have the greatest level of sanitation and hygiene/medical technology and techniques, along with being the healthiest, thanks to their "waste nothing" mentality. That would suggest some form of technological advancement over thedas in some manner.

They probably have sewers and such, while the poor in places like Denerim likely just chuck the contents of their chamber pots out the window with a warning to, "Look out below!"

[Kalas Magnus]

what we saw was a group of quanari that wash ashore.

we have yet to see them going to war. Just think of it this way TEVINTER has a hard time dealing with them.

[Herr Uhl]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I don't think the qunari have slums, like thedas does. It waste resources to have people out of work, and to have them living in unhealthy conditions. More than likely they are given a state issued ration, enough for them to maintain healthy levels of nutrients to work at their best, and living conditions to keep them as healthy as possible to keep them working at higher and longer levels.

Of course the social practices of such a society, in many regards, counteracts their generosity.

People who get too old to do their job either teach others or if they're too impaired they're looked after by the tamassrans (though a lot go through an existential crisis and there are a lot of suicides). I don't think they have slums as such, but dissenters get sent to "rehabilitation".

They're far from idyllic.

[Swoopdogg]

I really hope the only Qunari that we see who's actually "normal" (in our sense of the word, anyway) isn't just the Qunari Inquisitor. I want to see some sarcastic Qunari (or any personality type other than the "no")

[Han Shot First]

Swoopdogg wrote...

I really hope the only Qunari that we see who's actually "normal" (in our sense of the word, anyway) isn't just the Qunari Inquisitor. I want to see some sarcastic Qunari (or any personality type other than the "no")

If the rumors about a Tal Vashoth companion are true, you'll be getting your wish. According to the leaked survey the Iron Bull, "is a long way from home, and prefers it that way. A slap in the face of typically humorless Qunari, he loves drinking, killing, and looting-not necessarily in that order. The head of a vicious mercenary company, he’s known for excellent pay and brutal punishment. It’s been a ten year party, but the Bull may find that old loyalties die hard."

While I wouldn't describe the Iron Bull as "normal," he seems to be about as far removed from the stereotypical Qunari (a.k.a. Sten) as possible.

[Potato Cat]

Swoopdogg wrote...

I really hope the only Qunari that we see who's actually "normal" (in our sense of the word, anyway) isn't just the Qunari Inquisitor. I want to see some sarcastic Qunari (or any personality type other than the "no")

I would imagine any Tallis who was a "no" Qunari would not be very good at their job at all. Also Rasaan, while similar to the no's, was significantly more talkative and that's fair considering her role appears to be interrogating Qunari prisoners and dealing with troublemakers. My personal theory is that the no's are a result of Qunari specialisation, and the males chosen for service under the Arishok just don't have the advanced education in language as other roles might. They don't need to speak as much as they need a good chopping arm.

Anyway, I think if we see any more Ben-Hassrath or Tamassrans, (which I hope to Gaider we do), and have prolonged interactions with them, they will be more talkative than the no's and the Ben-Hassrath may be downright 'normal'.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I don't think the qunari have slums, like thedas does. It waste resources to have people out of work, and to have them living in unhealthy conditions. More than likely they are given a state issued ration, enough for them to maintain healthy levels of nutrients to work at their best, and living conditions to keep them as healthy as possible to keep them working at higher and longer levels.

Of course the social practices of such a society, in many regards, counteracts their generosity.

People who get too old to do their job either teach others or if they're too impaired they're looked after by the tamassrans (though a lot go through an existential crisis and there are a lot of suicides). I don't think they have slums as such, but dissenters get sent to "rehabilitation".

They're far from idyllic.

I already said that.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Dayze wrote...

One of the things that has been mentioned is that the Qunari have higher levels of technology.

 Well; I know they have cannon's and gunpowder or whatever but that doesn't mean they are a higher level technology as a whole.

I mean; their boats are basically the same aren't they?

Their armor is like what, a helmet, leather pants and shoulder guards?  I would say most other groups are notably ahead of them in that department.  

Weapons, they had axes and stuff but it seemed like a lot of them were using primitive looking spears in DA2....not only that but most of them basically didn't have armor, the grunts I mean.

I suspect the art department takes liberties on what they think looks good, regardless of lore

[Dayze]

Yeah but after a certain point; the art department and graphic designers are basically "showing us" the "real world" with some amount of symbolization and whatnot.

That being said; Iron Bull kind of reinforces DA2 Qunari/Kossith doesn't he?

Big guy, large sword and one shoulder guard.

[Fardreamer]

There's more references to the Qunari's tech than just the gaatlok.  In DA:A you can give Sigrun a gift of a spyglass.  They talk about how it sounds like magic, but you can tell her it's just a Qunari invention.

[Vit246]

I just want to see the Qunari wear some kind of torso armor.

[Walrider]

Johun wrote...

It's interesting that the qunari have a high level of technology despite the fact that they are physically so strong and durable. Mordin told me technology is born out of limitations.

War tends to be a fantastic motivator to create the best tech.