194 réponses à ce sujet

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Qunari have a division in their society dedicated to advancement of science so yes it's pretty clear they developed their advanced technology on their own.

I am wondering if their steel armor has been retconed away though. I know it makes sense that the Qunari seen in DA 2 would have abandoned their heavy armor to escape the shipwreck but if they keep reappearing with no armor then it seems Bioware just changed their minds about that.

[In Exile]

Xilizhra wrote...

The qunari have high technology. Whether they've developed it is open to question.

Why would it be open to question?

[Bionuts]

Stupid for Qunari to go around shirtless in battle.

Really stupid.

[Fredward]

In Exile wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
The qunari have high technology. Whether they've developed it is open to question.

Why would it be open to question?

[Former_Fiend]

On the qunari's apparent preference for light armor; for the past few centuries their primary military opponent has been Tevinter, a nation who's primary weapon is magic. Armor's more or less useless against a fireball, so it makes sense that heavy armor doesn't factor in much to the modern qunari military strategy.

[TEWR]

Bionuts wrote...

Stupid for Qunari to go around shirtless in battle.

Really stupid.

For DAII's Qunari, I could understand this. Their ship was sinking and they were all warriors of the antaam (plus some Mages) so we can assume they were all decked out in heavy armor.

Which would cause them to sink if they tried to swim with that on. So they had to abandon it. Of course, they're not going to abandon their weapons... but I'd think that's a bit easier to manage when swimming then heavy armor.

And they couldn't exactly go around buying armor in Kirkwall, cuz it would've caused tensions to soar even more. Shame they didn't have any smiths with them. Maybe if they brought any, they all died. Meh, who knows?

The Tal-Vashoth on the other hand.... there's no excuse for them being shirtless.

[Johun]

The Tevinters surely make use of expendable support troops, possibly slave soldiers. Against a large number of weaker opponents, armor would be very useful.

Sebastian also compares a Genlock Alpha to "...an entire Tevinter shieldwall, in one creature". Given the other similarities to the Roman Empire, we can assume that would be something like this.

My point being that the Tevinter Imperium has more mundane soldiers, professional or not.

Then again, the Venatori don't wear any armor on their torso either.

Maybe it's just the fashionable thing to do in northern Thedas.

[Fast Jimmy]

Br3ad wrote...

Think of mages as Greek Fire if this makes the analogy any better for you.

What, that Balkan stripper chick down at the Bottom's Up Gentlemen's Club?

Why would I be thinking of her?

[andy6915]

In that an in-game screenshot? I ask because Cassandra is actually stabbing an enemy, and DA2 didn't have finishers. So either special attacks or basic attacks actually look like they do a killing blow on the final hit, or DAO finishing animations are back. Of course, it could just be pre-rendered for coolness which is why I ask.

[TEWR]

Sebastian also compares a Genlock Alpha to "...an entire Tevinter shieldwall, in one creature".

Does he really? I've never heard that before.

[Boycott Bioware]

The way they look in DA2 seems like they don't have high technology, they don't even have any clothing...civilize peoples wear clothes

[Kalas Magnus]

they work hard for that body. they must just want to show it off

Johun wrote...

Then again, the Venatori don't wear any armor on their torso either.

Maybe it's just the fashionable thing to do in northern Thedas.

[Boycott Bioware]

So, they are Spartan then

[Rolling Flame]

Former_Fiend wrote...

On the qunari's apparent preference for light armor; for the past few centuries their primary military opponent has been Tevinter, a nation who's primary weapon is magic. Armor's more or less useless against a fireball, so it makes sense that heavy armor doesn't factor in much to the modern qunari military strategy.

Bare skin certainly isn't better.

[Boycott Bioware]

Ottoman Turk have high tech of course, the most powerful empire in the late medieval, but their troop the Janissary wear clothes and armors, the most effective troop at that time. They have muskets and cannons while the west developing heavy metal armor such as Gothic armor

The one that don't wear any armor, not even clothing are barbarians back in Roman time, and ancient peoples of Greek time, so if want to portray a race that have high tech, it must be done properly shown that race is high tech

The more high tech the people is, the less armor they wear, light armor, but not don't wear any armor at all. Qunari is so tough, they rely on strength in combat, that doesn't show high tech peoples, because high tech peoples don't rely on strength in combat

[Johun]

andy69156915 wrote...

In that an in-game screenshot? I ask because Cassandra is actually stabbing an enemy, and DA2 didn't have finishers. So either special attacks or basic attacks actually look like they do a killing blow on the final hit, or DAO finishing animations are back. Of course, it could just be pre-rendered for coolness which is why I ask.

It is from the official site, but I think it may simply be an auto-attack positioned to clip through the enemy, for coolness, as you said.

[Dio Demon]

Rolling Flame wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

On the qunari's apparent preference for light armor; for the past few centuries their primary military opponent has been Tevinter, a nation who's primary weapon is magic. Armor's more or less useless against a fireball, so it makes sense that heavy armor doesn't factor in much to the modern qunari military strategy.

Bare skin certainly isn't better.

Tis better than having metal seared to your body.

[Wulfram]

In Exile wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The qunari have high technology. Whether they've developed it is open to question.

Why would it be open to question?

Well, they've had cannons for 300 year but don't seem to have advanced from them, so they don't appear to have an especially rapid rate of technological advance.  And their society doesn't seem like it's set up to encourage free thought and innovation.

I don't see any reason to doubt that it was an "oxman" invention, but I do speculate that it was invented by pre-Qun Kossith.

[Boycott Bioware]

Eastern peoples (Arab, Turk, Berber) rely on speed and mobility in combat, because the terrain is mostly wide and desert, Turk originally live on mountains and steppes. So eastern peoples use light armor and light weaponry. While western peoples rely on durability and momentum, that is why the west have full plate armor and heavy weaponry. But since the Crusade the west have adopt eastern style of combat and well the east adopt western style. Heavy armor are mostly worn by western nobles, it is to protect them from being killed

Persians however a bit different, despite of hot climate and open wide battlefield, they do develop heavy armor and heavy troops, these troop are called "Immortals", they are Cataphract, heavy mail armored cavalry (the 300 movie portray them WRONGLY, they have become masked monster ninjas in that movie). Cataphract being adopted by Byzantium there you got "Katapraktoi" cavalry...furthermore, this model of cavalry being adopted by Europeans

So, if Qunari is based on eastern peoples, it is not true, eastern peoples are not like how Qunari is shown in DA2, DA:O Sten is still acceptable

Modifié par Qistina, 01 octobre 2013 - 10:21 .

[DarthLaxian]

In Exile wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The qunari have high technology. Whether they've developed it is open to question.

Why would it be open to question?

because there's hints enough that the qunair are akin to outcasts of a larger society (they have not tried hard enough to re-establish contact home, they keep a large army and fight all others...like a sect i would say) and that they have stolen all this from their original society

greetings LAX

[Former_Fiend]

Crazy Eyed One wrote...

Rolling Flame wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

On the qunari's apparent preference for light armor; for the past few centuries their primary military opponent has been Tevinter, a nation who's primary weapon is magic. Armor's more or less useless against a fireball, so it makes sense that heavy armor doesn't factor in much to the modern qunari military strategy.

Bare skin certainly isn't better.

Tis better than having metal seared to your body.

It's also easier to get out of the way of a fireball when you're not carrying around the extra weight from armor.

While armor didn't limit mobility as much as most people today think it did, there are reasons we moved away from it as firearms became more prevalent on the battlefield. Combine that with the expense in making and maintaining armor and the tropical conditions the qunari live and fight in not being ideal for use of heavy armor to start with and the benefits start getting outweighed.

[Former_Fiend]

Wulfram wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The qunari have high technology. Whether they've developed it is open to question.

Why would it be open to question?

Well, they've had cannons for 300 year but don't seem to have advanced from them, so they don't appear to have an especially rapid rate of technological advance.  And their society doesn't seem like it's set up to encourage free thought and innovation.

I don't see any reason to doubt that it was an "oxman" invention, but I do speculate that it was invented by pre-Qun Kossith.

Well, we haven't seen modern qunari cannons in action, nor have we seen the three-hundred year old ones in action, so it's hard to say whether or not there have been advancements in that department. For all we know, the cannons they used 300 years ago were pea shooters compared to what they use to day. Or perhaps they're just as good, but the methods in producing them have advanced. We don't have nearly enough information to speculate.

There's also the fact that generally speaking, advances in weapons technology are made to counter enemy advances. Humans haven't advanced their weaponry, either, still relying on magic for their heavy artillery. The lack of that competitive pressure may well have slowed qunari advancement.

[Star fury]

Qunari look a lot like the Ottoman empire with all invasion and wars with the Byzantine=Tevinter Imperium. The Turks had really good military organisation and some technology. Dreadnoughts and powder are impressive.

[esper]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

Stupid for Qunari to go around shirtless in battle.

Really stupid.

For DAII's Qunari, I could understand this. Their ship was sinking and they were all warriors of the antaam (plus some Mages) so we can assume they were all decked out in heavy armor.

Which would cause them to sink if they tried to swim with that on. So they had to abandon it. Of course, they're not going to abandon their weapons... but I'd think that's a bit easier to manage when swimming then heavy armor.

And they couldn't exactly go around buying armor in Kirkwall, cuz it would've caused tensions to soar even more. Shame they didn't have any smiths with them. Maybe if they brought any, they all died. Meh, who knows?

The Tal-Vashoth on the other hand.... there's no excuse for them being shirtless.

TheTal-Vashoth in da2 properly all came from the Arishoks group, which meant that there properly weren't any vendors in Kirkwall willing to fit an armor to them.

[Boycott Bioware]

Qunari look a lot like the Ottoman empire with all invasion and wars with the Byzantine=Tevinter Imperium. The Turks had really good military organisation and some technology. Dreadnoughts and powder are impressive.

For me, Qunari doesn't look at all like Ottoman Empire, if want to look at technological superiority, it is ever changing...yes Ottoman is high tech at late medieval, but before that the west do have superior tech than the east with a lot of ships...look at Spain, Granada fall to Spain before Ottoman reach golden age...Christopher Columbus sail to America in 1492, Amerigo Vaspuci is before that...at that time Europe already have guns and cannons...