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[EmperorSahlertz]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Not technologically advanced enough that they couldn't be taken down by the combined forces of Thedas.

They didn't get "taken down"... The Qunari stopped fighting because the civillian death toll became too high. The Qunari was fully capable of taking on the entire military might of the Andrastian nations, and even pushing the line back against them.

[sandalisthemaker]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Not technologically advanced enough that they couldn't be taken down by the combined forces of Thedas.

They didn't get "taken down"... The Qunari stopped fighting because the civillian death toll became too high. The Qunari was fully capable of taking on the entire military might of the Andrastian nations, and even pushing the line back against them.

I was referring to a hypothetical future war.  
The Qunari were fought to a standstill before, but I believe that if all of the nations of Thedas were to set aside their own bickering and join forces, they could push the Qunari back to wherever it is they came from.

Sounds like an excellent plot for DA4 to me.

[Heimdall]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Not technologically advanced enough that they couldn't be taken down by the combined forces of Thedas.

They didn't get "taken down"... The Qunari stopped fighting because the civillian death toll became too high. The Qunari was fully capable of taking on the entire military might of the Andrastian nations, and even pushing the line back against them.

I was referring to a hypothetical future war.  
The Qunari were fought to a standstill before, but I believe that if all of the nations of Thedas were to set aside their own bickering and join forces, they could push the Qunari back to wherever it is they came from.

Sounds like an excellent plot for DA4 to me.

Given their tendency to shift the geographic focus, a hop over to Tevinter for a Qunari invasion would fit.

[sandalisthemaker]

Lord Aesir wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Not technologically advanced enough that they couldn't be taken down by the combined forces of Thedas.

They didn't get "taken down"... The Qunari stopped fighting because the civillian death toll became too high. The Qunari was fully capable of taking on the entire military might of the Andrastian nations, and even pushing the line back against them.

I was referring to a hypothetical future war.  
The Qunari were fought to a standstill before, but I believe that if all of the nations of Thedas were to set aside their own bickering and join forces, they could push the Qunari back to wherever it is they came from.

Sounds like an excellent plot for DA4 to me.

Given their tendency to shift the geographic focus, a hop over to Tevinter for a Qunari invasion would fit.

Yeah, so after gathering forces from among various factions and races to stop the blight, doing it again to stop a demonic invasion, doing it a third time to wipe out the Qunari would be the natural progression to a tried and true plot device. 
There's plenty of foreshadowing to an ultimate showdown with the Qunari in both games anyway.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 02 octobre 2013 - 09:31 .

[AtreiyaN7]

The qunari have cannons, so they clearly understand gunpowder-based artillery - unlike the rest of Thedas which seems completely ignorant of it. They also seem to be experts with explosives and can create nasty chemical weapons. I'd say that their military technology is pretty advanced for a world that's basically set in medieval times.

Without seeing their cities, who can really comment on how advanced they are in other areas? Other people have suggested that qunari civil engineering could be advanced, which might be true (sewer systems, water supply, etc. etc.). Maybe they have better medical technology than the rest of the world for all anyone knows.

[Former_Fiend]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Not technologically advanced enough that they couldn't be taken down by the combined forces of Thedas.

They didn't get "taken down"... The Qunari stopped fighting because the civillian death toll became too high. The Qunari was fully capable of taking on the entire military might of the Andrastian nations, and even pushing the line back against them.

I was referring to a hypothetical future war.  
The Qunari were fought to a standstill before, but I believe that if all of the nations of Thedas were to set aside their own bickering and join forces, they could push the Qunari back to wherever it is they came from.

Sounds like an excellent plot for DA4 to me.

What do you have against racial equality and the advancement of science and knowledge?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The combined nations of Thedas managed to push the Qunari out of every conquered territory except nothern Rivain after a 150 years of fighting and straining themselves to breaking point. Actually succeeding at an invasion of Par Vollen seems pretty impractical. Especially considering the Qunari have since retaken Seheron.

[Heimdall]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

The combined nations of Thedas managed to push the Qunari out of every conquered territory except nothern Rivain after a 150 years of fighting and straining themselves to breaking point. Actually succeeding at an invasion of Par Vollen seems pretty impractical. Especially considering the Qunari have since retaken Seheron.

Well mostly, I think its still somewhat contested by a handful of Tevinter strongholds on the coast and the fog warriors.

[Former_Fiend]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

The combined nations of Thedas managed to push the Qunari out of every conquered territory except nothern Rivain after a 150 years of fighting and straining themselves to breaking point. Actually succeeding at an invasion of Par Vollen seems pretty impractical. Especially considering the Qunari have since retaken Seheron.

Well mostly, I think its still somewhat contested by a handful of Tevinter strongholds on the coast and the fog warriors.

Fenris, at the very least, is of the opinion that the qunari could take the island if they really wanted it. Granted, Fenris isn't an omnicient source, but he's the closest thing to an objective one we have on the matter.

I've wondered if the qunari aren't essentially using Seheron as a training ground. 

[drake heath]

They seem to have professional armies, gun powder/explosives, practice a form of corporatism, and seem to have several other things as well.

All fairly advanced compared to the pre-gunpowder feudal societies of Thedas (not that feudalism is primitive or inferior, it's just corporatism is an "advanced" or "industrial" ideology, it's the basis of fascism).

So yeah, I would say they are more advanced, not industrial, but probably should be.

Whether or not they are more powerful or could subjugate Thedas is another story.

We all know what happens when world superpowers try to subjugate "primitive" forces on their own turf.

Modifié par drake heath, 02 octobre 2013 - 09:53 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Mostly yes. There are areas they don't control and where there is resistance but the Qunari are the main ruling power in Seheron.

The other thing about the Qunari Wars was that it was the longest continent wide war in the history of Thedas since the First Blight. Maybe thtis is futile wish given the limits on the storytellers but I'd hope if the Qunari doing finally invade again it would result in major changes to the franchise, not just something a single protagonist can fix within a short amount of time. I think what made the First and Second Blights so terrible was because their scope and scale was beyond lifespan of single hero to exclusively triumph over.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 02 octobre 2013 - 09:54 .

[Heimdall]

Qistina wrote...
If you guys watch Kevin Costner version of Robin Hood, there is a character named 'Azim played by Morgan Freeman, a Muslim Berber, western called Moorish or Saracen, in this movie 'Azim is magician-like and his mortal enemy is a witch named Morgana. There is a scene 'Azim throwing sulphur into fire and it booms, Friar Tuck said "you are truly a wizard!"
Muslims at that time was mistaken as wizards and magicians, Muslim alchemist and astronomers is what western fantasy portrayed as "wizards", wearing robe, wearing big hat, having beards, carrying staff...there is no western/Europeans look like that, only Arabs and Middle Eastern
So in that movie, the producer relate the witch Morgana with 'Azim, Morgana fear 'Azim and there is a dialogue when Little John talk about that witch, 'Azim said "a witch?", the same time there is a scene Morgana screaming in fear because she predict "a painted man" who will kill her...
During the time, Friar Tuck don't like Robin befriend with 'Azim because of the sentiment and saying 'Azim is working with devils that make him can do many "wonders", but then realize his mistake

So, what i mean is, "Magicians" is Muslims in medieval era

Hardly, magicians and sorcerers have existed in European myth and culture since long before Islam.  They even appear in Greek myths.  As to the image of an old man in a beard and robe with supernatural prowess, I'd advise you to look up the Norse god Odin, who roamed the world in such guise and was the god of shamanistic powers.

[Cainhurst Crow]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Not technologically advanced enough that they couldn't be taken down by the combined forces of Thedas.

They didn't get "taken down"... The Qunari stopped fighting because the civillian death toll became too high. The Qunari was fully capable of taking on the entire military might of the Andrastian nations, and even pushing the line back against them.

I was referring to a hypothetical future war.  
The Qunari were fought to a standstill before, but I believe that if all of the nations of Thedas were to set aside their own bickering and join forces, they could push the Qunari back to wherever it is they came from.

Sounds like an excellent plot for DA4 to me.

So basically, you want the impossible/ solution for every massive world problem that will never be solved.

[sandalisthemaker]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Not technologically advanced enough that they couldn't be taken down by the combined forces of Thedas.

They didn't get "taken down"... The Qunari stopped fighting because the civillian death toll became too high. The Qunari was fully capable of taking on the entire military might of the Andrastian nations, and even pushing the line back against them.

I was referring to a hypothetical future war.  
The Qunari were fought to a standstill before, but I believe that if all of the nations of Thedas were to set aside their own bickering and join forces, they could push the Qunari back to wherever it is they came from.

Sounds like an excellent plot for DA4 to me.

So basically, you want the impossible/ solution for every massive world problem that will never be solved.

A temporary truce to stop a mutual enemy sounds like a good idea to me.

[Cainhurst Crow]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Not technologically advanced enough that they couldn't be taken down by the combined forces of Thedas.

They didn't get "taken down"... The Qunari stopped fighting because the civillian death toll became too high. The Qunari was fully capable of taking on the entire military might of the Andrastian nations, and even pushing the line back against them.

I was referring to a hypothetical future war.  
The Qunari were fought to a standstill before, but I believe that if all of the nations of Thedas were to set aside their own bickering and join forces, they could push the Qunari back to wherever it is they came from.

Sounds like an excellent plot for DA4 to me.

So basically, you want the impossible/ solution for every massive world problem that will never be solved.

A temporary truce to stop a mutual enemy sounds like a good idea to me.

Than fereldan will backstab orlais, or maybe tevinter will first followed by fereldan. Free marches will probably attack either one in retaliation along with anderfals, assuming anderfals even supports the chantry at all what with their repeatidly harrasment of grey warden mages throughout the years. Than you have antiva, who doesn't have any army to send and whos crows work soley for profit, and would probably bleed the chantry dry before doing a minimal effort against the qunari leadership, if not refuse the contract outright and feed on the political instability instead. Nevarra and Rivian are hard to guage, rivian has every reason not to support the efforts of a united push against the qunari, seeing as how the chantry and by extension orlais has pretty much tried to destroy them, but also the most to lose if the qunari stay. Than you have nevarra, who are in a bitter ladn dispute with orlais, but who are also followers of the chantry, except when it comes to necromancy.

Dwarves probably wouldn't give 2 craps because the darkspawn are still down in the deep roads, and there's no way in hell the elves are helping.

So yeah. Not so likely to ever happen.

[Giant ambush beetle]

drake heath wrote...

So yeah, I would say they are more advanced, not industrial, but probably should be.

Their infrastructure and industry should be FAR ahead of Thedas'. What do you need to produce high tech weaponry and warfare equipment? A high tech industry. Producing large amounts of gunpowder and chemical warfare agents is very difficult (even today) compared to the production of primitive weaponry like swords and other meele weapons. 
Producing and refining large amounts of chemicals like charcoal, sulfur and saltpeter requires a large industry, high tech equipment, an armada of skilled chemists and very high safety standards.

By the way, we had fire, acid and electricity bombs in DAO. I always wondered why those bombs weren't fielded in armies in the DA universe. Produce a million of those bombs and send them into the closed ranks of your enemies via catapults and ballistas. That would be the equivalent of Qunari artillery. Imagine two dozens of fire bombs hitting the powder storage room of a Qunari vessel.

Modifié par The Woldan , 02 octobre 2013 - 11:56 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

The Woldan wrote...

drake heath wrote...

So yeah, I would say they are more advanced, not industrial, but probably should be.

Their infrastructure and industry should be FAR ahead of Thedas'. What do you need to produce high tech weaponry and warfare equipment? A high tech industry. Producing large amounts of gunpowder and chemical warfare agents is very difficult (even today) compared to the production of primitive weaponry like swords and other meele weapons. 
Producing and refining large amounts of chemicals like charcoal, sulfur and saltpeter requires a large industry, high tech equipment, an armada of skilled chemists and very high safety standards.

By the way, we had fire, acid and electricity bombs in DAO. I always wondered why those bombs weren't fielded in armies in the DA universe. Produce a million of those bombs and send them into the closed ranks of your enemies via catapults and ballistas. That would be the equivalent of Qunari artillery. Imagine two dozens of fire bombs hitting the powder storage room of a Qunari vessel.

And what happens when one of your guys accidently drops their bomb in the formation?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Than fereldan will backstab orlais, or maybe tevinter will first followed by fereldan. Free marches will probably attack either one in retaliation along with anderfals, assuming anderfals even supports the chantry at all what with their repeatidly harrasment of grey warden mages throughout the years. Than you have antiva, who doesn't have any army to send and whos crows work soley for profit, and would probably bleed the chantry dry before doing a minimal effort against the qunari leadership, if not refuse the contract outright and feed on the political instability instead. Nevarra and Rivian are hard to guage, rivian has every reason not to support the efforts of a united push against the qunari, seeing as how the chantry and by extension orlais has pretty much tried to destroy them, but also the most to lose if the qunari stay. Than you have nevarra, who are in a bitter ladn dispute with orlais, but who are also followers of the chantry, except when it comes to necromancy.

Dwarves probably wouldn't give 2 craps because the darkspawn are still down in the deep roads, and there's no way in hell the elves are helping.

So yeah. Not so likely to ever happen.

The Anderfels is the most devout Chantry country in all of Thedas and the crows would likley wish to help their nation if it's subjgated by Qunari like last time. The Qunari have a way of uniting humanity against them like nothing else, even the darkspawn. The Fourth Blight just promted the Divines to stop actively trying to kill eachother with Exalted Marches. The First Qunari War actually got them to cooperate.

The problem is they all joined forces last time and it wasn't enough.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
And what happens when one of your guys accidently drops their bomb in the formation?

What happens when a modern soldier drops his hand grenade in an APC?

You better make sure your soldiers aren't idiots.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Than fereldan will backstab orlais, or maybe tevinter will first followed by fereldan. Free marches will probably attack either one in retaliation along with anderfals, assuming anderfals even supports the chantry at all what with their repeatidly harrasment of grey warden mages throughout the years. Than you have antiva, who doesn't have any army to send and whos crows work soley for profit, and would probably bleed the chantry dry before doing a minimal effort against the qunari leadership, if not refuse the contract outright and feed on the political instability instead. Nevarra and Rivian are hard to guage, rivian has every reason not to support the efforts of a united push against the qunari, seeing as how the chantry and by extension orlais has pretty much tried to destroy them, but also the most to lose if the qunari stay. Than you have nevarra, who are in a bitter ladn dispute with orlais, but who are also followers of the chantry, except when it comes to necromancy.

Dwarves probably wouldn't give 2 craps because the darkspawn are still down in the deep roads, and there's no way in hell the elves are helping.

So yeah. Not so likely to ever happen.

The Anderfels is the most devout Chantry country in all of Thedas and the crows would likley wish to help their nation if it's subjgated by Qunari like last time. The Qunari have a way of uniting humanity against them like nothing else, even the darkspawn. The Fourth Blight just promted the Divines to stop actively trying to kill eachother with Exalted Marches. The First Qunari War actually got them to cooperate.

The problem is they all joined forces last time and it wasn't enough.

Isn't that assuming the qunari will invade antiva, and that this won't be just a pre-emptive strike? Or that the crows would care what happens to the monoarchy over making coin?

Also, I believe your mixing up Anderfels and Orlais.

[Cainhurst Crow]

The Woldan wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
And what happens when one of your guys accidently drops their bomb in the formation?

What happens when a modern soldier drops his hand grenade in an APC?

You better make sure your soldiers aren't idiots.

Tyrion and Bron probably have something to say about that.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Nope. The Anderfels is the poorest and most ravaged nation in Thedas but also the most devout. Both the codex entry on the Anderfels in DAO and World of Thedas talk about this. But if we're talking about a preemptive strike on Par Vollen and Seheron, then yes you're right that is not going to happen. But if the Qunari invade Thedas again, I think the all the human nations are very likely to band together like the last war. And we know they plan to do so.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 03 octobre 2013 - 12:15 .

[The Hierophant]

I wonder if the Qunari use indoor plumbing?

[Cainhurst Crow]

Undoubtedly if there was a pressing threat to them, they would. But like I said, that assumes the qunari will invade a way that makes them a pressing threat to all.

And I will stand corrected on anderfels, I was using the reasoning that with their high regard for the grey wardens, they would be more inclined to stand with them, and how often times, we've seen the chantry come into conflict with the grey wardens time and time again over their mage members.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 03 octobre 2013 - 12:17 .

[Giant ambush beetle]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

The Woldan wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
And what happens when one of your guys accidently drops their bomb in the formation?

What happens when a modern soldier drops his hand grenade in an APC?

You better make sure your soldiers aren't idiots.

Tyrion and Bron probably have something to say about that.

There is always caution required when handling explosives, but it just worked wonderfully, didn't it? Imagine a whole Qunari fleet burning down like that.
And those boats would be carrying large amounts of black powder for their cannons so the explosions would wipe out the whole army. Not a single Qunari would set foot ashore.

It would be marvelous.