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[Jedi Master of Orion]

I have a hard time imagining any Qunari incursion onto the Thedosian mainland wouldn't be seen as a threat by the Chantry and all it's nations. Even if they confine themselves to Tevinter at first and thus don't violate the Llomerryn Accords it's probably going to raise alarm bells.

[Cainhurst Crow]

The Woldan wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

The Woldan wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
And what happens when one of your guys accidently drops their bomb in the formation?

What happens when a modern soldier drops his hand grenade in an APC?

You better make sure your soldiers aren't idiots.

Tyrion and Bron probably have something to say about that.

There is always caution required when handling explosives, but it just worked wonderfully, didn't it? Imagine a whole Qunari fleet burning down like that.
And those boats would be carrying large amounts of black powder for their cannons so the explosions would wipe out the whole army. Not a single Qunari would set foot ashore.

It would be marvelous. 

They didn't go with the catapult plan in the show. They loaded the wildfire onto a boat and sent it into the middle of the fleet, than ignited it to ensure it was at close range.

And even that assumes that the qunari formation for their fleet would be one that lends itself to having that massive chain reaction, or that the bombs thedas possesses have similar properties to that of wildfire, being water proof and able to burn hotter than most substances around.

You'd have an easier time loading mages onto boats and having them cast their area of effect spells. Considering both are relying on the qunari being unable to sink any approaching navel vessels at range using their cannons.

[The Hierophant]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I have a hard time imagining any Qunari incursion onto the Thedosian mainland wouldn't be seen as a threat by the Chantry and all it's nations. Even if they confine themselves to Tevinter at first and thus don't violate the Llomerryn Accords it's probably going to raise alarm bells.

Depending on the location of the veil tear i think they could easily conquer northern Rivain while everyone is busy with the demons.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

They didn't go with the catapult plan in the show. They loaded the wildfire onto a boat and sent it into the middle of the fleet, than ignited it to ensure it was at close range.

I know, I've seen this episode, I was talking about the awesomeness of explosives / highly combustible warfare agents in general.
I think Bronn hugely exaggerates the danger of the wildfire when used in the common way, people are able to handle RPG's and other highly explosive devices under stress in combat very effectively.

I imagine a large scale use of long range catapults bombarding an an entire area with firebombs would have been very effective as well.

You'd have an easier time loading mages onto boats and having them cast their area of effect spells. Considering both are relying on the qunari being unable to sink any approaching navel vessels at range using their cannons.

I think the cannons have far more range than any spell of a mage, thats where artillery and catapults have the edge.

Modifié par The Woldan , 03 octobre 2013 - 12:44 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Northern Rivain they may even get to voluntarily submit to there rule, depending on how they go about it. If the Qunari were to try to take advantage of the Veil tears to attack Thedas, I would imagine they'd aim to conquer far more than just that. Qunari advances could be lighting quick in the early years of the First Qunari War, they had reached the zenith of their conquests after just 10 years.

Unless they are trying a radically different strategy to win the war this time.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 03 octobre 2013 - 12:49 .

[The Hierophant]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Northern Rivain they may even get to voluntarily submit to there rule, depending on how they go about it. If the Qunari were to try to take advantage of the Veil tears to attack Thedas, I would imagine they'd aim to conquer far more than just that. Qunari advances could be lighting quick in the early years of the First Qunari War, they had reached the zenith of their conquests after just 10 years.

Unless they are trying a radically different strategy to win the war this time.

The Qun could easily get a few million converts if they introduce indoor plumbing and toilet paper to the rest of Thedas.

just sayin.

[Cainhurst Crow]

The Hierophant wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Northern Rivain they may even get to voluntarily submit to there rule, depending on how they go about it. If the Qunari were to try to take advantage of the Veil tears to attack Thedas, I would imagine they'd aim to conquer far more than just that. Qunari advances could be lighting quick in the early years of the First Qunari War, they had reached the zenith of their conquests after just 10 years.

Unless they are trying a radically different strategy to win the war this time.

The Qun could easily get a few million converts if they introduce indoor plumbing and toilet paper to the rest of Thedas.

just sayin.

And just as many defectors if thedas introduces cookies to them.

[Medhia Nox]

So that's how we're going to unite Thedas in DA:I? Indoor plumbing and cookies?

I'm not sure that I don't think that would be fantastic.

[Boycott Bioware]

Lord Aesir wrote...
Hardly, magicians and sorcerers have existed in European myth and culture since long before Islam. They even appear in Greek myths. As to the image of an old man in a beard and robe with supernatural prowess, I'd advise you to look up the Norse god Odin, who roamed the world in such guise and was the god of shamanistic powers.

As far as i know Odin is Warrior God living in Valhalla, in Norse and Greek myth and religion magic is for women and govern by goddesses such as Freyja and Hekate. There is no white bearded man wearing big hat and robes, carrying staff using astrolabe and looking glass in western/European tradition. It is Middle East tradition borrowed by Europe in medieval. European Druids wearing hood like Jedi/Sith master

Modifié par Qistina, 03 octobre 2013 - 03:08 .

[Xilizhra]

Qistina wrote...

Hardly, magicians and sorcerers have existed in European myth and culture since long before Islam. They even appear in Greek myths. As to the image of an old man in a beard and robe with supernatural prowess, I'd advise you to look up the Norse god Odin, who roamed the world in such guise and was the god of shamanistic powers.

As far as i know Odin is Warrior God living in Valhalla, in Norse and Greek myth and religion magic is for women and govern by goddesses such as Freyja and Hekate. There is no white bearded man wearing big hat and robes, carrying staff in western/European tradition. It is Middle East tradition borrowed by Europe in medieval. European Druids wearing hood like Jedi/Sith master

You're thinking of Thor. Odin had strong sorcerous aspects, he wasn't a pure warrior type.

[Boycott Bioware]

Xilizhra wrote...
You're thinking of Thor. Odin had strong sorcerous aspects, he wasn't a pure warrior type.

All Norse gods have magic because they are gods

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Qistina wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
You're thinking of Thor. Odin had strong sorcerous aspects, he wasn't a pure warrior type.

All Norse gods have magic because they are gods

Yes, but Odin has magic even beyond the inherent sorcery of the Norse Gods. I can't remember if he traded that eye for it, hung on a tree with no food or water for it, or both, but he has magic far beyond what most of the others can do.

[Boycott Bioware]

This is medieval Muslim scientists that become a model of western Wizards, look at Dumbledore, look at Tvinter slavers and Mages in DA, they have similarity. Qunari is not like these below



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Modifié par Qistina, 03 octobre 2013 - 03:31 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Qistina wrote...

This is medieval Muslim scientists that become a model of western Wizards, look at Dumbledore, look at Tvinter slavers and Mages in DA, they have similarity. Qunari is not like these below

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In appearance, no. And their social structure is cribbed from Marx rather than drawn from the Muslim world. (I think.) But they fit the same basic political niche that Islam did in the Middle Ages in that they belong to a foreign organization with different values that is seeking to increase its influence and gain converts, isn't really understood by its enemies (though I think that's true of most groups), and has technological superiority.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 03 octobre 2013 - 03:34 .

[Heimdall]

Qistina wrote...

This is medieval Muslim scientists that become a model of western Wizards, look at Dumbledore, look at Tvinter slavers and Mages in DA, they have similarity. Qunari is not like these below

Nobody's saying they are.  The western concept of Wizards is based on sorceress traditions within western culture, sorry to tell you, that predate Islam.  As I told you about Odin, he was literally the god of shamans and a form of sorcery called skeid.  He often traveled the world incognito as a cloaked old man.

Tolkein's Gandalf, whom he explicitly based on this idea of Odin, is the basis for much of the modern fantasy notion of wizards as old men with staves and long beards.

[Medhia Nox]

@Riverdaleswhiteflash: He hangs and loses his eye for "wisdom" - which thematically, while it encompasses magic, it is VERY different than the secularized imbecilic superhero magic spawned by D&D.

[Vit246]

Every nation in Thedas is very loosely based on multiple real world parallels.
Antiva is Renaissance Venice with a Spanish accent. The Qunari geo-politically represent the Ottoman Turks but their Qun religion is closer to Greek Plato's Utopia. Nevarra is the name of a region in Spain. They entomb their dead like Egypt. They geo-politically represent Prussia/Germany.
They don't have to be accurate replicas.

Modifié par Vit246, 03 octobre 2013 - 04:02 .

[Heimdall]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Riverdaleswhiteflash: He hangs and loses his eye for "wisdom" - which thematically, while it encompasses magic, it is VERY different than the secularized imbecilic superhero magic spawned by D&D.

I thought he hung for writing?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Riverdaleswhiteflash: He hangs and loses his eye for "wisdom" - which thematically, while it encompasses magic, it is VERY different than the secularized imbecilic superhero magic spawned by D&D.

I thought he hung for writing?

He hung for something called "The Runes." It gives him magical abilities, and I think that's where he gets his precognition, though literacy might also have been part of the deal.

Edit: That was the name of the Norse alphabet, I think?

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 03 octobre 2013 - 03:43 .

[Boycott Bioware]

Nobody's saying they are. The western concept of Wizards is based on sorceress traditions within western culture, sorry to tell you, that predate Islam. As I told you about Odin, he was literally the god of shamans and a form of sorcery called skeid. He often traveled the world incognito as a cloaked old man.

Tolkein's Gandalf, whom he explicitly based on this idea of Odin, is the basis for much of the modern fantasy notion of wizards as old men with staves and long beards.

Surely Byzantines don't wear robes, hats, carrying staff and having beards, look at looking glass and playing with modern astronomical devices.

Look at DA Mages models especially Tevinter Mages, Danzig and Tevinter Mages in Darktown wearing turban, Female Mages wear cowl, it's hijab like, look at those Starkhaven Mages, look at Mages robes and cowl models and compare with the medieval Muslim scientists and Arab/Muslim clothing

Tevinter Imperium is Abbasid Empire not Byzantium. Qunari is Mongols horde that have war with Abbasid

Edit : Muslims and Europeans once working together against the Mongols that was happen at Sultan Jalal Ad Din time, the Muslim Turk and Teutonic Knights of Europe allied fighting the Mongols, that battle prevent Mongols entering Europe, or else Europe is no more....see that? Chantry and Mages working together fighting Qunari and Qunari lost

Modifié par Qistina, 03 octobre 2013 - 03:57 .

[Heimdall]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Riverdaleswhiteflash: He hangs and loses his eye for "wisdom" - which thematically, while it encompasses magic, it is VERY different than the secularized imbecilic superhero magic spawned by D&D.

I thought he hung for writing?

He hung for something called "The Runes." It gives him magical abilities, and I think that's where he gets his precognition, though literacy might also have been part of the deal.

Edit: That was the name of the Norse alphabet, I think?

Yup, Runes were both alphabet and mystic, each one with symbolic meaning as well as phonetic.

[Heimdall]

Qistina wrote...

Surely Byzantines don't wear robes, hats, carrying staff and having beards, look at looking glass and playing with modern astronomical devices.

Look at DA Mages models especially Tevinter Mages, Danzig and Tevinter Mages in Darktown wearing turban, Female Mages wear cowl, it's hijab like, look at those Starkhaven Mages, look at Mages robes and cowl models and compare with the medieval Muslim scientists.

Tevinter Imperium is Abbasid Empire not Byzantium. Qunari is Mongols horde that have war with Abbasid

I still wonder why you prefer an Islamic empire to be the inspiration for a tyrannical state ruled by power hungry men that commit blood sacrifice to their dragon god overlords. (Especially since, from a Christian perspective, 7 dragon gods = 7 headed dragon of Satan in Revelations).  What's wrong with Qunari?

Anyway, how often must you be told this is not a 1 to 1 correlation?  All the parallels are loose and vague, with more than a little artistic license.  Besides, were the Abassids once the rulers of an empire that controlled Gaul or Albion?  Those former territories that became medieval France and England, the loose bases of Orlais and Ferelden?  Tevinter history is loosely based on that of Rome and its eastern successor, the Byzantines.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 03 octobre 2013 - 04:11 .

[Boycott Bioware]

Lord Aesir wrote...
I still wonder why you prefer an Islamic empire to be the inspiration for a tyrannical state ruled by power hungry men that commit blood sacrifice to their dragon god overlords. (Especially since, from a Christian perspective, 7 dragon gods = 7 headed dragon of Satan in Revelations). What's wrong with Qunari?

Anyway, how often must you be told this is not a 1 to 1 correlation? All the parallels are loose and vague, with more than a little artistic license.

Because there is so much similarities between Mages and Tevinter with medieval Muslims than between Qunari and medieval Muslims

Tyrant is subjective, sometimes tyrant is needed. Look at civilizations in the past, some advance civilizations ruled by tyrants.

Muslims civilizations in medieval are not all good, only few are good we can count with fingers, such as Umar Abdul Aziz of the Umayyad, Harun Ar Rashid of Abbasid, Abdul Rahman of Spain/Andalus, Salahuddin Al Ayubi of Fatimid and Sulaiman the Magnificent of the Ottoman...the rest are so-so and mostly bad.

Saladin rose up through the chaotic of medieval Arab politic that involve assassinations, corruptions, disunity, rebellions, civil wars ect ect...that is while Crusades was successful...it is because Middle East is in bad shape with their Arab Sheikhs petty politic...much like today

[Heimdall]

Qistina wrote...
Because there is so much similarities between Mages and Tevinter with medieval Muslims than between Qunari and medieval Muslims

Tyrant is subjective, sometimes tyrant is needed. Look at civilizations in the past, some advance civilizations ruled by tyrants.

Muslims civilizations in medieval are not all good, only few are good we can count with fingers, such as Umar Abdul Aziz of the Umayyad, Harun Ar Rashid of Abbasid, Abdul Rahman of Spain/Andalus, Salahuddin Al Ayubi of Fatimid and Sulaiman the Magnificent of the Ottoman...the rest are so-so and mostly bad.

Saladin rose up through the chaotic of medieval Arab politic that involve assassinations, corruptions, disunity, rebellions, civil wars ect ect...that is while Crusades was successful...it is because Middle East is in bad shape with their Arab Sheikhs petty politic...much like today

Nobody here is claiming the Qunari are like medieval Muslims save for the way role they play in European politics.  The Tevinters are transparently Roman/Byzantine in their history and their former dominion of the even more transparently yet loosely European based kingdoms of Thedas.  That's not even mentioning the Imperial Chantry/Greek Orthodox division.  And who was at war with Byzantium off and on for centuries?  Islamic empires.  Who has been at war with Tevinter off and on for centuries?  The Qunari, hence the parallel.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 03 octobre 2013 - 04:24 .

[The Hierophant]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Northern Rivain they may even get to voluntarily submit to there rule, depending on how they go about it. If the Qunari were to try to take advantage of the Veil tears to attack Thedas, I would imagine they'd aim to conquer far more than just that. Qunari advances could be lighting quick in the early years of the First Qunari War, they had reached the zenith of their conquests after just 10 years.

Unless they are trying a radically different strategy to win the war this time.

The Qun could easily get a few million converts if they introduce indoor plumbing and toilet paper to the rest of Thedas.

just sayin.

And just as many defectors if thedas introduces cookies to them.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 03 octobre 2013 - 04:19 .