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[Jedi Master of Orion]

Cookies will just be brought to the Qun. Baking them will become one of the new Demands of the Qun. Then the Antaam will be unstoppable.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 03 octobre 2013 - 04:20 .

[The Hierophant]

OT - First time watching Soul Food since 16 years ago, Vanessa Williams attacked her cousin and husband with a knife for bangin'. Pure drama.

[Star fury]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I have a hard time imagining any Qunari incursion onto the Thedosian mainland wouldn't be seen as a threat by the Chantry and all it's nations. Even if they confine themselves to Tevinter at first and thus don't violate the Llomerryn Accords it's probably going to raise alarm bells.

Tevinter hadn't signed Accords and continue to fight Qunari ever since the last big war. The Exalted March against Qunari would be my favourite plot for DA4. Don't really like a sympathetic portrayal of Qunari. Playing as a merciless follower of the Qun sounds fun too on the other hand.  

[Former_Fiend]

If the plot of DA4 is an exalted march on the qunari, I won't be playing. I have my issue with the qun, but all the other nations of Thedas are just as bad. I don't think there's anything Bioware could do to get me emotionally invested in that fight.

[Xilizhra]

Former_Fiend wrote...

If the plot of DA4 is an exalted march on the qunari, I won't be playing. I have my issue with the qun, but all the other nations of Thedas are just as bad. I don't think there's anything Bioware could do to get me emotionally invested in that fight.

What if they invade first?

[Former_Fiend]

Xilizhra wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

If the plot of DA4 is an exalted march on the qunari, I won't be playing. I have my issue with the qun, but all the other nations of Thedas are just as bad. I don't think there's anything Bioware could do to get me emotionally invested in that fight.

What if they invade first?

I'd get a lawnchair, a beer, a sit on a tall mountain and watch the show.

[Star fury]

Former_Fiend wrote...

If the plot of DA4 is an exalted march on the qunari, I won't be playing. I have my issue with the qun, but all the other nations of Thedas are just as bad. I don't think there's anything Bioware could do to get me emotionally invested in that fight.

Bioware most probably give you an opportunity to support both sides. Imagine crushing all this heathen with iron fist by your Qunari protagonist.

[Xilizhra]

Former_Fiend wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

If the plot of DA4 is an exalted march on the qunari, I won't be playing. I have my issue with the qun, but all the other nations of Thedas are just as bad. I don't think there's anything Bioware could do to get me emotionally invested in that fight.

What if they invade first?

I'd get a lawnchair, a beer, a sit on a tall mountain and watch the show.

Seens a shade... callous.

I personally hope the fourth game is against the qunari, with the fifth being one more stab at the darkspawn.

[Former_Fiend]

Star fury wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

If the plot of DA4 is an exalted march on the qunari, I won't be playing. I have my issue with the qun, but all the other nations of Thedas are just as bad. I don't think there's anything Bioware could do to get me emotionally invested in that fight.

Bioware most probably give you an opportunity to support both sides. Imagine crushing all this heathen with iron fist by your Qunari protagonist.

Can't say as that would appeal to me much more. 

[AresKeith]

Star fury wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

If the plot of DA4 is an exalted march on the qunari, I won't be playing. I have my issue with the qun, but all the other nations of Thedas are just as bad. I don't think there's anything Bioware could do to get me emotionally invested in that fight.

Bioware most probably give you an opportunity to support both sides. Imagine crushing all this heathen with iron fist by your Qunari protagonist.

That probably won't happen because then the fifth game would have to account to that change

[Boycott Bioware]

Lord Aesir wrote...
Nobody here is claiming the Qunari are like medieval Muslims save for the way role they play in European politics. The Tevinters are transparently Roman/Byzantine in their history and their former dominion of the even more transparently yet loosely European based kingdoms of Thedas. That's not even mentioning the Imperial Chantry/Greek Orthodox division. And who was at war with Byzantium off and on for centuries? Islamic empires. Who has been at war with Tevinter off and on for centuries? The Qunari, hence the parallel.

Well, Muslim empires having war with Mongols throughout history as well Christendom. Islam and Christian share similar things, Islam and Mongol don't share similar religion. That is similar with Tevinter and Chantry kingdoms, sharing similar faith, while the Qun of Qunari is completely different faith.

The term "heretic" being used in DA regarding the Qun is wrongly use, how come someone is heretic if convert to a complete different religion? Someone is heretic if believing differently in the religion of the mainstream religion.

If a Christian convert to Islam, or if a Muslim convert to Christian, he/she is not a heretic, they will be called differently. But if a Christian believing that Jesus was a woman, or a Muslim believe Muhammad was a God, he/she is a heretic. Both religion have the same root and similar belief.

The term "heretics" referring to Qun and Qun convert is wrong....that what lead to confusion

The Mongols have different religion than Muslims, Muslims share similar faith with Christians, Tevinter share similar faith Chantry Kingdom, the Qun is a complete different religion

Modifié par Qistina, 03 octobre 2013 - 06:17 .

[Chaos Hammer]

Qistina wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
Nobody here is claiming the Qunari are like medieval Muslims save for the way role they play in European politics. The Tevinters are transparently Roman/Byzantine in their history and their former dominion of the even more transparently yet loosely European based kingdoms of Thedas. That's not even mentioning the Imperial Chantry/Greek Orthodox division. And who was at war with Byzantium off and on for centuries? Islamic empires. Who has been at war with Tevinter off and on for centuries? The Qunari, hence the parallel.

Well, Muslim empires having war with Mongols throughout history as well Christendom. Islam and Christian share similar things, Islam and Mongol don't share similar religion. That is similar with Tevinter and Chantry kingdoms, sharing similar faith, while the Qun of Qunari is completely different faith.

The term "heretic" being used in DA regarding the Qun is wrongly use, how come someone is heretic if convert to a complete different religion? Someone is heretic if believing differently in the religion of the mainstream religion.

If a Christian convert to Islam, or if a Muslim convert to Christian, he/she is not a heretic, they will be called differently. But if a Christian believing that Jesus was a woman, or a Muslim believe Muhammad was a God, he/she is a heretic. Both religion have the same root and similar belief.

The term "heretics" referring to Qun and Qun convert is wrong....that what lead to confusion

The Mongols have different religion than Muslims, Muslims share similar faith with Christians, Tevinter share similar faith Chantry Kingdom, the Qun is a complete different religion

Heretic is anyone who say something that attacks the church..... And Muslims and Christians share very little in the way of actual faith, the Old Testament is shared by both and the Jews.... but the majority of the used ideas come from the books after that....

You can draw parallels to the Vikings and Christian Europe just as easily as the ones you cling to... the fact is the writers took liberties so that the A. Created a unique universe, and B. could implement the plot lines and issues they saw fit. 

Muslims are not being portrayed as horned giants.... Turks are, Ottoman or Selduk, it makes no difference. It's not the anti muslim attack you want it to be, I mean Bioware is Canadian, that whole country is at its worst lawful neutral, they don't want to attack any religion. The head of the catholic church was never in France... that doesn't mean Orlais is not a thinly veiled allusion to France....

We get it, you like Abbasid history, but you're trying to hard when the obvious parallel is that it is the Turkish Empires being loosely emulated by the Qunari

[Heimdall]

I wouldn't suggest bothering, Qistina is strangely resistant to this parallel to the point of ignoring reason.

[Star fury]

Lord Aesir wrote...

I wouldn't suggest bothering, Qistina is strangely resistant to this parallel to the point of ignoring reason.

A bad case of political correctness.

[Trolldrool]

The Qunari, in comparison to Ferelden, are probably at least a century ahead in military technology. And so far, we only have experience with their militant side because the only Qunari we have encountered are the Antaam and an assassin from the Ben-Hassrath and a religious nutcase trying to mindwipe Isabela. From what I understand, they have a very advanced culture in philosophy and architecture and medicine and hygiene.

Despite how militaristic they seem, again, our only experience with the Qunari is the Antaam, an assassin from the Ben-Hassrath and a priestess. They're not a mindless horde that's going to conquer the world and then turn on themselves to sate their thirst for war like some orc mook stereotype. The Antaam is just one part of Qunari society. Other parts are dedicated to more peaceful pursuits.

It's just the matter of brainwashing their people into valuing the Qun more than their own lives and desires and mindwiping everyone that doesn't want to convert into zombie slaves for manual labour that makes them so reprehensible.

Modifié par Trolldrool, 03 octobre 2013 - 05:40 .

[The Six Path of Pain]

Former_Fiend wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

If the plot of DA4 is an exalted march on the qunari, I won't be playing. I have my issue with the qun, but all the other nations of Thedas are just as bad. I don't think there's anything Bioware could do to get me emotionally invested in that fight.

What if they invade first?

I'd get a lawnchair, a beer, a sit on a tall mountain and watch the show.

I like the way you think. I'll bring some whiskey and join you my friend. 

[Boycott Bioware]

Chaos Hammer wrote...
Muslims are not being portrayed as horned giants.... Turks are, Ottoman or Selduk, it makes no difference. It's not the anti muslim attack you want it to be, I mean Bioware is Canadian, that whole country is at its worst lawful neutral, they don't want to attack any religion. The head of the catholic church was never in France... that doesn't mean Orlais is not a thinly veiled allusion to France....

"Militant Islamic Borg" not referring to Turk, but all Muslims. Then Qunari is said referring to Ottoman Turk, so what message being send here? "Militant Islam" it self is a wrong terminology, and what is a "Borg"? I know the original quote is "Qunari is a combination of "Militant Islam" and "Borg""...so what the hell is that? Since then we got so many comments Qunari with Islam while there is nothing Islamic about them and cannot be compared with Ottoman either

I don't say Bioware is anti-Islam but the thing is there....that combination of "Militant Islam" and a "Borg" that is "Muslims" and "Ottoman Turk" is shown as reddish horned head creature that going rampage in someone country, chop off the country leader head, abuse it's own people, brutal, proud of themselves, forcing people to convert to their religion and they are fanatics...

Modifié par Qistina, 04 octobre 2013 - 11:23 .

[DarkSpiral]

I'd really love to debate on this...but I'm not sure I can clearly understand what you're saying.

Also, you're derailing the thread rather spectacularly. If you have no comments about the technological aspects of the Qunari, maybe you should start your own thread to discuss your topic.

[Boycott Bioware]

The high technological of Qunari resembles Ottoman Turk BS was started at the same time with "Militant Islamic Borg" issue, so i am not derailing, i already explain in previous posts

Now, if there is "Militant Islam", what is "Islam" in your understanding?

[Heimdall]

Qistina wrote...

what is a "Borg"?

Star Trek 

[Heimdall]

Qistina wrote...

The high technological of Qunari resembles Ottoman Turk BS was started at the same time with "Militant Islamic Borg" issue, so i am not derailing, i already explain in previous posts

Now, if there is "Militant Islam", what is "Islam" in your understanding?

Non-militant?  If it was always militant there wouldn't be a need for for the adjective I suppose.

[Zerker]

Please ignore Qistina. You will get an arguement based on religion, not reason or actual historical knowledge.

Modifié par Maddok900, 04 octobre 2013 - 01:17 .

[Boycott Bioware]

Lord Aesir wrote...
Non-militant? If it was always militant there wouldn't be a need for for the adjective I suppose.

So, if a resistance army defending their land and country, cover their face and carrying Arabic letters on their flag or mafela, shouting "Jihad!!"...are they "Militant Islam" in your understanding? When you see the image you say "they are "militant Islam"" while maybe they just protecting their family, land and country

How do you know militant or not militant if you don't know what Islam is? Who are you to label something you yourself don't know about?

I am not bringing religious or sensitive issue here, i just want to give understanding or light in the issue. It is ignorance that lead to confusion, and make it become sensitive. Ignorance that lead to injustice, ignorance lead to lies, ignorance lead to hatred. Ignorance is the core of evil today.

It is maybe mean nothing to you, just create a character, devilish look, carrying guns, and say "this character is based on "Militant XXX"...for you it's nothing, but XXX will question you and your intention...

That is all i want to say...

[Xilizhra]

Qistina wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
Non-militant? If it was always militant there wouldn't be a need for for the adjective I suppose.

So, if a resistance army defending their land and country, cover their face and carrying Arabic letters on their flag or mafela, shouting "Jihad!!"...are they "Militant Islam" in your understanding? When you see the image you say "they are "militant Islam"" while maybe they just protecting their family, land and country

How do you know militant or not militant if you don't know what Islam is? Who are you to label something you yourself don't know about?

I am not bringing religious or sensitive issue here, i just want to give understanding or light in the issue. It is ignorance that lead to confusion, and make it become sensitive. Ignorance that lead to injustice, ignorance lead to lies, ignorance lead to hatred. Ignorance is the core of evil today.

It is maybe mean nothing to you, just create a character, devilish look, carrying guns, and say "this character is based on "Militant XXX"...for you it's nothing, but XXX will question you and your intention...

That is all i want to say...

On the one hand, I agree that it was probably a poor choice of words on Gaider's part. On the other... the qunari are clearly militant because they're attacking the rest of the continent, so I don't think the term "militant" being used there was, or at least was not intended to be, a slam against nonmilitant Islam.

[egnit]

Xilizhra wrote...

Qistina wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
Non-militant? If it was always militant there wouldn't be a need for for the adjective I suppose.

So, if a resistance army defending their land and country, cover their face and carrying Arabic letters on their flag or mafela, shouting "Jihad!!"...are they "Militant Islam" in your understanding? When you see the image you say "they are "militant Islam"" while maybe they just protecting their family, land and country

How do you know militant or not militant if you don't know what Islam is? Who are you to label something you yourself don't know about?

I am not bringing religious or sensitive issue here, i just want to give understanding or light in the issue. It is ignorance that lead to confusion, and make it become sensitive. Ignorance that lead to injustice, ignorance lead to lies, ignorance lead to hatred. Ignorance is the core of evil today.

It is maybe mean nothing to you, just create a character, devilish look, carrying guns, and say "this character is based on "Militant XXX"...for you it's nothing, but XXX will question you and your intention...

That is all i want to say...

On the one hand, I agree that it was probably a poor choice of words on Gaider's part. On the other... the qunari are clearly militant because they're attacking the rest of the continent, so I don't think the term "militant" being used there was, or at least was not intended to be, a slam against nonmilitant Islam.

Agreed. Its a poor phrasing of adjectives all describing the Qunari. Militant isn't describing muslims any more then it is describing the borg. The Qunari are being described as being militant (which they are given their join us one way or the other attitude), as being like the borg (as I'm not a Star Trek guy I assume this is a nod to their collectivism culture), and lastly as being like muslims (in reference to their geopolitical position within the world of Thedas. Strange people and alien culture invading with superior technoology, like the Ottoman Turks as has been said a million times already.)