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[chenDawg]

Just finished my perfect playthrough and have a question:

How exactly does killing the zerk Saren lead to Soverign dropping his defenses and such?

I was under the impression that he was just like remote controlling him...

[ToshiStation38]

Well, you see, Sovereign was using most of his memory on controlling Saren, so whenever Saren was destroyed, this caused Sovereign's programming to freeze and automatically reboot. It was during this time that his shields fell.



Nah, I just made all that up. I don't know.

[Spitfire80]

Mabe it was some kind of feedback from getting "Killed" that cause and overload or a momentary lapse of somekind, that resulted in the shields going down. It probably hurt like ****. Had he not been getting shot at he might have recovered.

[chenDawg]

(double post)

Modifié par chenDawg, 19 janvier 2010 - 08:45 .

[chenDawg]

Spitfire80 wrote...

Mabe it was some kind of feedback from getting "Killed" that cause and overload or a momentary lapse of somekind, that resulted in the shields going down. It probably hurt like ****. Had he not been getting shot at he might have recovered.

That seems pretty likely..
Just bothered me that this huge seemingly all powerful enemy was so easily weakened by just killing one of his pawns. =/

[Spitfire80]

He probably invested a lot of himself in the controlling of Sarens body, not so much to kill Shepard, that probably was an objective on the side. He needed, apendages inside the councill room to press the buttons that opens up the relay.

[ToshiStation38]

Spitfire80 wrote...

He probably invested a lot of himself in the controlling of Sarens body, not so much to kill Shepard, that probably was an objective on the side. He needed, apendages inside the councill room to press the buttons that opens up the relay.

That's a good point. Losing Saren's body meant critical mission failure for Sovereign.

[chenDawg]

Yeah that makes a lot more sense.



Thanks ^^

[Devos]

To ensure a connection to Sarren which not be disrupted a bank of qbits were included in the "upgrades" to Sarren, the state of which were entangled with Sovereigns own system. In a real sense these qbits were a part of sovereign. When Sarren was entirely destroyed the quantum state of all of Sovereign's qbits were disrupted... or space wizards did it.



It's possible to try and techno bable your way in to or out of any situation but it still makes zero sense. The idea that Sovereign couldn't catch a "your thrall is dead" exception or isolate the control is pretty ridiculous. Even then that there were no fail safes in case of disruption to raise or maintain defences automatically. Sovereign's shields failed because the narrative demanded some kind of denouement with Sarren as the end point.

[Kloreep]

The idea that killing Sovereign's RC toy would in any way hurt it was so ludicrous, I convinced myself that the fleet had simply pummeled Sovereign beyond even its ability to take fire, and the timing was simply a dramatically convenient coincidence.



Sure was quite a coincidence though.

[Zaxares]

I think it was just a coincidence. Sovereign was taking quite a pounding from the Alliance fleet around it (although it gave a damn good accounting of itself). It's unclear whether the Prothean data Shepard obtained from Vigil prevented Sovereign from regaining control of the Citadel, or whether it just stalled him. I'm inclined to believe it's the former though, since if it was just stalling for time, why would Sovereign bother reanimating Saren's corpse? It should have focused all of its efforts and energies on defending itself until it could override the Prothean data.



If the data was, indeed, preventing Sovereign from gaining control and it required somebody inside the Citadel to "throw some switches", then Sovereign's actions make a lot more sense.

[Mr. Sprinkles101]

He had a heart attack lol



But seriously though Saren was like his RAM or something and then his RAM (Saren) short circuited causing him to drop his shields



Just a theory

[CheeseJam]

I kind of thought he was in a temporary state of shock that he, the unstoppable and mighty Soverign, was partially defeated. Maybe him being defeated in that sort was not in his programming, so he didn't know how to cope with it. Or maybe once he knew Sarren was dead, he realized he could no longer open the Citadel Mass Relay, and he gave up hope.

[Andorfiend]

The most likely answer is that is was a dramatic coincidence. The same reason Luke wrapped up his chat with the Emperor at the same time Lando and Wedge were blowin' up the Death Star.

It has also been speculated that the 'red lighning' we see surrounding Sovereign and laser-frog Saren has something to do with Sovereign's conciousness. IE: Sovereign had tranfered a part of his mind into Saren's shell and thus the destruction of laser-frog was a direct blow to his mind/soul. I was not a subscriber to this theory myself, but the fact that we now know the the Hive Lord of the collectors can also jump his conciousness into his followers and dramatically upgrade them thereby, give this idea some room for further consideration.

Modifié par Andorfiend, 20 janvier 2010 - 06:19 .

[ChaoticBroth]

Saren had a major runtime error and Sovereign BSOD'd.

In all (probable) honesty, once Saren was implanted, he was a part of Sovereign, a limb, if you will. I don't know about you, but I'd be pretty distracted if my arm was cut off.

Modifié par ChaoticBroth, 20 janvier 2010 - 06:21 .

[InvaderErl]

I doubt killing Saren did anything more than anger him.

Remember that though more than strong enough to go against any ship 1 on 1, Sovereign is not invincible - given a large enough force like what he was was facing a conventional assault would succeed - just as it did. Avoiding such a battle was the whole point of its plan.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 20 janvier 2010 - 07:05 .

[Corben158]

Andorfiend wrote...

The most likely answer is that is was a dramatic coincidence. The same reason Luke wrapped up his chat with the Emperor at the same time Lando and Wedge were blowin' up the Death Star.

It has also been speculated that the 'red lighning' we see surrounding Sovereign and laser-frog Saren has something to do with Sovereign's conciousness. IE: Sovereign had tranfered a part of his mind into Saren's shell and thus the destruction of laser-frog was a direct blow to his mind/soul.

That red lightning is on Sovereign even at eden prime, I don't think it has anything to do with anything, could just be a way to reduce heat or just something the developers thought looked good.
And It just seemed like Sovereign took a ton of damage when he lost his shields, Vigil said that Soveriegn wasn't invicible and that was the reason he didn't just full on attack the citadel without being prepared, I think he just took too much damage.

Modifié par Corben158, 20 janvier 2010 - 10:38 .

[RyuKazuha]

I think he just took a hell lot of damage. He didn't need Saren to close the citadel for nothing. Maybe the death of his Avatar caused some kind of back coupling that caused his shields to collapse right a that moment. However, the fleet may have succeeded even if you had not defeated the avatar

[DarthCaine]

It doesn't. They both die coincidentally at the same time

[Guardian295]

What happend was after Saren killed himself (or you killed him) Sovereign needed to upload park of himself (ie. part of his program) to the husk of Saren in order to effectivly control him (as Saren was only manipulated never actually controled) so he could trigger the Citadel Mass Relay, so when you kill him you aren't accually killing Saren you are destroying a part of Sovereigns' program thus causing a temporary disruption in his processors, one that the fleet simply took advantage of.



At least that's my theory

[Shatakai]

Sovereign knew it would be a suicide mission. Like they said, even a reaper can't survive against an attack against the universe's united species. His sole job was to open the relay that would allow the reapers to return. It was simply his job to do so before he was destroyed.

[Feranel]

Food for thought:

Sovereign states that the Reapers are "Beyond your comprehension", and looks at the Geth with almost as much disdain as he does organics. While a complex A.I. would have little trouble compartmentalizing the remote control of a simple body, a normal mind could not.



If the Reapers are not in fact an AI, and instead a protrusion into our plane of existence by an extra-dimensional entity, merely "piloting" these Reaper ships around, it could be seen as one possible explanation for much of the Reapers statements and actions.

[Willowhugger]

I assumed that Sovereign isn't used to pain.



So it was knocked on its ass for a long enough period to be killed.