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[Excella Gionne]

Refusal Ending:
As stupid as the decision to get this ending is, Liara's words are still very touching when I pick it to hear it again. Maybe this could've been the ending for a conventional way of fighting the reapers, because the crucible couldn't be deployed, was destroyed, or couldn't be built based on assets......

What are your opinions?

Modifié par johnnythao89, 01 octobre 2013 - 01:18 .

[Red Panda]

I'm not sure what you mean?


I... don't know.

Modifié par OperatingWookie, 01 octobre 2013 - 01:16 .

[Excella Gionne]

OperatingWookie wrote...

I'm not sure what you mean?


I... don't know.

Liara's capsul. When she's talking about their failure to save the galaxy from the reapers....

[MrMrPendragon]

I've never considered this ending as I didn't want everyone to die. I don't want to have that relationship with the supporting characters that I built for the past 3 games to go to waste.

[Red Panda]

johnnythao89 wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

I'm not sure what you mean?


I... don't know.

Liara's capsul. When she's talking about their failure to save the galaxy from the reapers....

Oh that, I personally feel it was a last minute addition. One could wish for more, but alas that is but a wish.

[Excella Gionne]

StreetMagic wrote...

I hate the time capsule thing, even before the Refuse ending. Liara's pretty glass half-empty already starting at Mars.

That said, I think constructing a working Crucible is one and the same as uniting the galaxy. It only works at it's best with the best specialists/armies/assets contributing to it. Not using the Crucible is kind of giving up all the united efforts you put into it.

Could you even shoot the Catalyst kid before the extended cut, or was he gone after the scene? I know for a fact that he's gone if you click on the autosave and load the file, he isn't their anymore thus you can't achieve this ending anymore.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

johnnythao89 wrote...

Refusal Ending:
As stupid as the decision to get this ending is, Liara's words are still very touching when I pick it to hear it again. Maybe this could've been the ending for a conventional way of fighting the reapers, because the crucible couldn't be deployed, was destroyed, or couldn't be built based on assets......

What are your opinions?

Fighting and losing? Sure, but I think it's pretty clear that that's exactly what happened in Refuse anyway.

[Excella Gionne]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

johnnythao89 wrote...

Refusal Ending:
As stupid as the decision to get this ending is, Liara's words are still very touching when I pick it to hear it again. Maybe this could've been the ending for a conventional way of fighting the reapers, because the crucible couldn't be deployed, was destroyed, or couldn't be built based on assets......

What are your opinions?

Fighting and losing? Sure, but I think it's pretty clear that that's exactly what happened in Refuse anyway.

You don't go down without a fight, and it does seem logical if their was something wrong about the crucible...

[grey_wind]

All the dialogue centered around the Refusal ending is great, especially the speech Shepard gives Star-Jar. While its outcome is nonsensical, it really does make you wish that the writers could have come up with a more imaginative plot than "build this deus ex machina we just found at the last minute in our hour of need whose functions nobody understands!".

[mupp3tz]

I found the words touching as well. Strangely, I found that it hit more of the right notes than the original options. I'm not exactly sure why, but it was fitting for the choice.

[AlexMBrennan]

and it does seem logical if their was something wrong about the crucible...

So, Shepard goes around telling everyone to bet everything on the Crucible doomsday weapon, and then unilaterally decides that it shouldn't be used despite being the least competent person to make that decision? Screw all the aliens that died to build it, Shepard's got moral principles!

[Excella Gionne]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

and it does seem logical if their was something wrong about the crucible...

So, Shepard goes around telling everyone to bet everything on the Crucible doomsday weapon, and then unilaterally decides that it shouldn't be used despite being the least competent person to make that decision? Screw all the aliens that died to build it, Shepard's got moral principles!

In the sense that Shepard never made it to the Citadel, because there wasn't enough firepower to even get close. It'd make more sense if Assets were low. Therefore, maybe the crucible couldn't be built on time or the fleet couldn't protect the crucible long enough for it to reach the citadel. It wouldn't make sense if Shepard just gave up which is the actual refusal ending. 

[Excella Gionne]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

I found the words touching as well. Strangely, I found that it hit more of the right notes than the original options. I'm not exactly sure why, but it was fitting for the choice.

The music sort of sinks in as well. 

[David7204]

What's the point of a conventional ending if it's losing?

In fact, that's exactly what Refuse is in the first place. A conventional ending with the galaxy losing.

Modifié par David7204, 01 octobre 2013 - 01:57 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

David7204 wrote...

What's the point of a conventional ending if it's losing?

In fact, that's exactly what Refuse is in the first place. A conventional ending with the galaxy losing.

Lots of stories end in tragedy. In fact, many of them are highly-regarded.

[Excella Gionne]

David7204 wrote...

What's the point of a conventional ending if it's losing?

In fact, that's exactly what Refuse is in the first place. A conventional ending with the galaxy losing.

It would have been great if you fought till the end. But the way it is achieved is beyond Shepard's morals. Refusing to not use the machine was illogical.

Modifié par johnnythao89, 01 octobre 2013 - 02:06 .

[David7204]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

What's the point of a conventional ending if it's losing?

In fact, that's exactly what Refuse is in the first place. A conventional ending with the galaxy losing.

Lots of stories end in tragedy. In fact, many of them are highly-regarded.

Mass Effect isn't one of those stories. More importantly, it's poor game design to flesh out an alternate path that ends in failure no matter what.

Modifié par David7204, 01 octobre 2013 - 02:02 .

[Mathias]

Refusal does imply that the next Cycle won by some other means, whether it was Conventional Victory or their own Superweapon. Liara does specifically state that they tried to use the Crucible but it didn't work, so there's no reason to think that the next cycle would attempt that which had failed the previous cycles.

While you all die if you choose Refusal, in a way you do pave the way for the next cycle to not only win, but win the right way.

[David7204]

The 'right way,' huh?

[Mathias]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

What's the point of a conventional ending if it's losing?

In fact, that's exactly what Refuse is in the first place. A conventional ending with the galaxy losing.

Lots of stories end in tragedy. In fact, many of them are highly-regarded.

There's tragic endings, and then there's "everyone dies, the end." I don't know many highly regarded stories where the protagonist die, fail in their mission, and evil wins. I'm sure they're out there, but haven't heard of them and probably for good reason.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

David7204 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

What's the point of a conventional ending if it's losing?

In fact, that's exactly what Refuse is in the first place. A conventional ending with the galaxy losing.

Lots of stories end in tragedy. In fact, many of them are highly-regarded.

Mass Effect isn't one of those stories. More importantly, it's poor game design to flesh out an alternate path that ends in failure no matter what. Why would anyone choose this over the Crucible?

Actually, I was thinking more down the lines of the Reapers winning no matter what. There may even be no Crucible plans at all, just a horror story of how the whole galaxy crumbles around you and the hero is helpless to stop it.

I mean, it would have been easy to write, and very compatible with the previous two games...

[Mathias]

David7204 wrote...

The 'right way,' huh?

Yeah the right way. Go be annoying to someone else David, this is a rare exception will I'll ever give you the time of day.

[David7204]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

I mean, it would have been easy to write, and very compatible with the previous two games...

Not in the slightest. It would have been a complete thematic betrayal of the previous two games.